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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:34 PM
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House Dem Calls Out Congress: You Have Public Health Plan. Why Not American People?
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 01:45 PM by babylonsister
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/house-dem-calls-out-dem-and-gop-colleagues-you-have-public-health-plan-why-not-american-people/

House Dem Calls Out Congress: You Have Public Health Plan. Why Not American People?


It’s not every day that you hear a member of Congress call out his colleagues quite this aggressively.

Check out this video (at link) of Dem Rep Joe Courtney, demanding that members of Congress, Democrat and Republican alike, explain why it’s okay for them to oppose a public health insurance option when they themselves enjoy exactly the same thing:

Courtney rapped his colleagues for opposing the public plan this way:

When I listen to the hysterical descriptions of what is in this legislation, I would remind many members to look at themselves in the mirror. Because what they are presently entitled to as members of Congress is exactly what this legislation is proposing to create for all Americans.


Courtney went on to blast opposition to the public plan as “hogwash,” and concluded: “At the end of the day, we must give the people of this country exactly what they give us.”

I’d only add that if Courtney wants a major breakout moment on the House floor, he might start naming specific colleagues who enjoy public health insurance but don’t want to extend it to the public at large. Still, it’s strong stuff, in an understated way, and I suggest you watch the whole thing.
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onyourleft Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:38 PM
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1. I very much look forward to the...
...response from members of Congress. Will there be crickets from Congress and the media?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:05 PM
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13. Our Senator already answered it, "go work for the Federal government"
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:40 PM
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18. Wow, what a selfish asshole.
Who elects these shitheads?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:50 PM
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35. Who elects these shitheads?
Selfish assholes like him.

Unfortunately, there are worse representing IA....Steve King. A couple years ago, he was ranked as the 3rd most conservative Representative. :banghead:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:44 PM
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20. I look at your profile..I don't have to go
to the link..it's the assholery, himself, grassley.

Why aren't his days numbered in the Senate?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:47 PM
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34. His term is up in 2010.
We're hoping he doesn't run again but I wouldn't be surprised if gave it one more try. Sadly, he'd probably get re-elected. :grr:
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solstice Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:47 PM
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21. Federal health insurance is capped, and still leaves you with huge bills for many life-saving
procedures.

It doesn't include eye or dental except in very limited forms.

It's hardly anything to aspire to.

Oh, and it doesn't allow female Federal employees to use it for birth control or abortion.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:44 PM
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32. Your given a choice of Gov. subsidized private plans and some include dental and vision.
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 03:46 PM by wroberts189
I was a wg-12 for over a decade. And maybe there are caps now but there were not any back in 98 when I quit. Except in the cheap "pay it all yourself" HMO plans.


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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:44 AM
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53. it's still FAR cheaper than what the average american gets stuck with.
Oh boo hoo -- doesn't cover vision or dental. As most of these guys are paying 35 bucks a WEEK for full coverage for their families on their over 100K salaries, I think they can afford those things, don't you? :sarcasm:

They may have caps now, but my stepfather had it when my mother was dying of cancer. It covered all of her treatments over a 3 year period. What was left was covered by the Hill-Burton Act, for catastrophic medical bills. The Federal insurance program has ALWAYS been better than what is offered to the public.

And we still have these a-holes fighting to keep us from accessing something they have.
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:40 PM
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2. crooks and lowlifes don't have much shame! n/t
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:45 PM
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3. This should be all over the news
let's not let this slip away unnoticed.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:46 PM
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4. Joe Courtney RAWKS!
:yourock:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:46 PM
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5. A choice from a selection of private insurance plans
That's what we give Congress. The guy showed himself to be an ignorant fool for not knowing the difference.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:48 PM
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6. I think he's far from an ignorant fool for having Americans' best
interests at heart instead of his fellow reps. I wish we had more like him.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:03 PM
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12. Distorting the facts doesn't help anything
Congress does not have a public health plan. He says he wants to give everybody what Congress has - well that's insurance. That just confuses people or makes them mad that they're being manipulated with false information. We don't need more like him. We need more people who can use the truth to break through the bullshit talking points from all sides.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:53 PM
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9. That they can easily afford as well as a private health club and other perks. nt
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 01:55 PM by wroberts189
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:01 PM
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11. You do not think there is any differance ...?

You think they get the same as some lower level GS worker or a regular non-government worker?

I doubt it.



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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:06 PM
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14. Yes, they do
They get a plan administered through FEHB.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:23 PM
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26. So what ? your not taking into account the dozens of other perks they get.

That add to it. Plus their pay and retirement benefits which kick in a lot sooner then anyone else.

And the fact that the us government pays a huge portion of it... more so then any GS-12 or WG-12 gets.

I worked for the gov for 12 years and they have the best health plans you can get compared to self employed or private business. Congress gets even better and with the money they make they do not even need it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:44 PM
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33. This is about health coverage. Health Coverage.
And the discussion needs to be based on facts. If you want the plan Congress has, it's a choice of private health insurances. That's what they have. They do not have a separate govt run option that covers everything, 100%.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:50 PM
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36. They have a selection of private plans brokered by the government.


And mostly paid for by the government. My plan was less then 200 a month.


Did you ever work for the government?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:59 PM
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38. Yes I have. Yes they have a selection of plans
I'm glad you finally realize you were wrong and might possibly apologize for calling me a liar??
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 04:03 PM
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41.  I have not called anyone a liar and I have said all along they pick their plan.


but its mostly publicly paid for.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 04:44 PM
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44. You said they don't get the FEHB - it's a lie
Now you want to pretend you said they do get that, all along?

Whatever.

People are nuts.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:08 PM
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45. Where do I say that? ...sigh I never said they had a public option.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:59 PM
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39. They got a private health club..do we have that? They have Walter Reed ..do we have that?

I did not say any of what you suggesting I said. And as far as facts go I may not be perfect but I know one thing and that is that they got it a lot better then we have in regard to health care as well as other related perks. They make so much they do not even need FEHB ...Read your own SF article.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 04:43 PM
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43. Many are veterans
The President is the Commander in Chief of the military, and consequently gets military care.

Kennedy was taken to Washington Hospital Center during the inauguration, not a military hospital.

You might want to check and see who gets what treatment and why. I'm pretty sure it has to do with military service, not political service.
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solstice Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:49 PM
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24. I can't believe Congress uses the same Federal plan as the peons. Because it's NOT that great.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:25 PM
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27. They do not ...its a misleading lie.


Does anyone think for a minute that a congressman gets the same care as a low level government worker?


They are drinking kool aide.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:41 PM
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30. Yes they do
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:52 PM
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37. You need to look at the big picture. These guys make almost 200k a year. nt
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 03:53 PM by wroberts189
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:59 PM
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40. And? They still don't have a public health plan
They have a selection of plans through private insurance.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 04:05 PM
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42. It might as well be called public as we are paying for it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:41 PM
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29. There are several plans to choose from
Most people choose a Blue Cross plan, several are HMOs. Maybe they're choosing a more expensive plan, but they definitely get the same set of options.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:49 PM
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7. They get it for life
which means senators like Roland Burris and Ted Kauffman, appointed to fill out a seat and neither will be running for re-election, will have the same great benefits for the rest of their lives.

I think there needs to be a cutoff on insurance for senators and representatives. When you leave office you get 1-2 free years TOPS and then either you pay or you find it elsewhere
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:54 PM
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10. good point... there are some here who equate what they get as the same as any civic worker. nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:18 PM
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15. Not true
Their benefits are based on the number of years served. They all pay some kind of health insurance premium as well. They have "access to" insurance, not "free" insurance.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/03/MNGK1C2HA71.DTL
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:35 PM
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28. The article you point to shows just how great they have it.
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 03:37 PM by wroberts189


"pensions ranging from as little as $14,165 a year for six years' service"

That will cover my health care bill for a while...where do I sign up for a job where you get a pension after 6 years?

"Barely 20 percent of the American workforce has pensions comparable to congressional pensions, according to the independent Employee Benefit Research Institute. Almost no one in the private sector has the kind of cost-of-living escalators that keep Capitol Hill pensions moving upward.

Lawmakers have "paved a smooth path for their golden years," said John Berthoud, president of the National Taxpayers Union, a 350,000-member conservative advocacy group that campaigns for lower federal spending. "Too bad taxpayers are supplying most of the gold."

Retired lawmakers routinely go on to lucrative jobs in private industry that can pay more than $1 million a year, while continuing to receive congressional pensions."

They don't even need FEHB ...but they take it anyway.

--------------------------------------------



Congress generous with pensions -- their own
Social Security debate puts public eye on politicians' guaranteed retirement plans

Stewart M. Powell, Hearst Newspapers

Sunday, April 3, 2005

(04-03) 04:00 PDT Washington -- While the White House and Congress explore ways to fix Social Security -- whether to cut benefits, raise taxes or impose a higher retirement age -- one segment of the 52 million Americans who get retirement benefits is likely to remain untouched: the lawmakers themselves.

There are no serious proposals for Congress to cut its own pension plan or raise the retirement age or years of service required for senators and representatives to qualify for benefits that are beyond the reach of most working Americans.

Members of the House and Senate, who earn $162,100 a year, haven't taken a hard look at their own pension program since 1983, when Congress brought lawmakers into the Social Security system for the first time.

While congressional payouts are puny compared to some corporate executives -- Franklin Raines, recently ousted as head of the Federal National Mortgage Association, gets a pension of $114,393 a month -- many Americans would eagerly welcome the pensions available on Capitol Hill.

Presidents and justices

For example, former presidents with as little as four years in office qualify for pensions of $180,100. Retired Supreme Court justices whose age and years of service total 80 receive pensions equal to full pay -- $208,100 for the chief justice and $199,200 for associate justices.

"Those who can take care of themselves -- do," says Graef Crystal, a longtime corporate compensation expert who writes a column for Bloomberg News. "Congress can write the legislation, and CEOs can have their papier-mache corporate boards OK their retirement deals."

Retired senators, representatives and staffers are eligible to receive a traditional pension, Social Security benefits and payments from a 401(k)-style Thrift Savings Plan built up by employer and employee contributions to a tax- deferred investment account.

It's impossible to estimate individual Social Security benefits or 401(k) payouts because of the many variables involved for each individual. But pension payments are a different story.

Range for lawmakers

Lawmakers who left Congress last January are receiving pensions ranging from as little as $14,165 a year for six years' service to as much as $114,102 a year for more than 30 years' service.

Inflation-adjusted pensions based upon the highest three years of salary are available to lawmakers as early as age 50 with 20 years' service. Lawmakers with less service qualify for full pension benefits starting at age 62. The retirement package includes automatic inflation adjustments and guaranteed access to post-retirement private medical insurance in addition to Medicare protection provided all Americans.

Barely 20 percent of the American workforce has pensions comparable to congressional pensions, according to the independent Employee Benefit Research Institute. Almost no one in the private sector has the kind of cost-of-living escalators that keep Capitol Hill pensions moving upward.

Lawmakers have "paved a smooth path for their golden years," said John Berthoud, president of the National Taxpayers Union, a 350,000-member conservative advocacy group that campaigns for lower federal spending. "Too bad taxpayers are supplying most of the gold."

Retired lawmakers routinely go on to lucrative jobs in private industry that can pay more than $1 million a year, while continuing to receive congressional pensions.

For example, defeated South Dakota Sen. Tom Daschle, 57, the former Democratic leader in the Senate, left Congress in January with an estimated pension of $121,233 and joined the Washington office of Atlanta-based Alston & Bird to provide strategic advice to the law firm's legislative and public policy clients.

Former Rep. W.J. "Billy" Tauzin, R-La., 61, the former chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce with jurisdiction over the drug industry, retired in January with an estimated pension of $85,726 and now heads the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America at a salary reported to be almost $2 million.

Backers of fiscal restraint want Congress to re-examine lawmakers' pension benefits as part of the burgeoning political debate over the future of Social Security. But Gary Ruskin, of the Congressional Accountability Project, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group, is skeptical that Congress will share any of the pain.

"Support for high compensation packages is broad and deep and absolutely bipartisan in Congress as well as at the White House," Ruskin said. "And I don't foresee cutbacks."

Dallas Salisbury, president of the Employee Benefit Research Institute, says political pressure on Congress to trim its own retirement benefits could ratchet up if California and eight other states decide to cut pension benefits for newly hired state workers.

Take plan to voters

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is expected to keep that issue front-and- center by vowing to submit his pension-cutting plan to voters in a referendum this fall unless the California Legislature ends traditional pensions for state employees hired after 2007.

"If voters decide state employees can keep their defined pension benefits, that will take the pressure off Congress to re-examine federal pensions," said Salisbury.

Several lawmakers have opted out of the congressional pension system altogether to drive home their contention that benefits are too costly. One of them, Rep. Howard Coble, R-N.C., 74, has been in Congress for 20 years and could qualify for an estimated pension benefit of more than $45,000 a year.

"I do not believe the taxpayers of this country owe me a congressional pension because I have chosen to pursue a career in public service," said Coble, a self-proclaimed fiscal conservative who tried unsuccessfully in the mid-1990s to get Congress to phase out congressional pensions by eliminating pensions for newly elected members.

Even though pensions for retired members of Congress and staffers represent only a tiny fraction of annual federal spending, Congress has taken care to bury the numbers in the federal budget.

"Congress writes the laws and gets to choose whether the cost is made public," said Ruskin. "It's always been treated like a state secret."

The result is that independent analysts are forced to estimate lawmakers' hypothetical pension benefits without specific information about a particular lawmaker's participation in the pension plan or contributions to the Thrift Savings Plan.

$19 million in pensions

Pension payments for 400 retired lawmakers receiving benefits as of Oct. 1, 2004, totaled more than $19 million, according to the Office of Personnel Management. The National Taxpayers Union estimates that taxpayers will begin paying $1.5 million more in pension benefits this year to cover the 22 lawmakers who left Congress in January and qualified for immediate pension payments.

With so many private corporations trimming benefits for newly hired or younger workers, Salisbury predicts a widening gulf between congressional and private sector benefits as Congress protects its own package of benefits.

"We're going to see a larger and larger gap," said Salisbury, an employee benefits specialist since 1978. "There's always been a gap between Congress and ordinary Americans -- but now we're seeing a gap between Congress and the largest, most generous enterprises, as well."
Pensions for some federal officials and California lawmakers Top federal officials

Here are pensions available to top federal officials:

-- A former president: $180,100 annually, tied by law to the inflation- adjusted salaries of Cabinet officers. The pension is paid without regard to whether the former president served one or two terms.

-- A former vice president: $27,653 annually after eight years' service, paid for congressional duties as president of the Senate.

-- A former chief justice of the United States: $208,100 annually (full salary), after reaching age 65 with 15 years' service. Associate justices receive $199,200.

-- A former Cabinet officer: $14,072 for eight years' service in two terms. A Cabinet officer has to be at least age 62 and serve for at least five years to qualify for a federal pension under the Federal Employees' Retirement System. After five years' service, a Cabinet officer would qualify for a pension of $8,797.

California lawmakers

The estimated pensions for the California lawmakers as compiled by the National Taxpayers Union. The calculations rely on the same mix of estimates and assumptions used by NTU for calculations on January 2005 congressional retirees:

-- Dianne Feinstein: $34,726 in 2007, based on 14 years of total service.

-- Barbara Boxer: $121,185 in 2007, based on 30 years total service (House, Senate and two years as a congressional staffer).

-- Nancy Pelosi: $53,989.

-- Lynn Woolsey: $38,584 in 2007, 14 years total service.

-- Barbara Lee: $23,896 in July 2008, 8.67 years total federal service.

-- Ellen Tauscher: $18,822 in July 2007, 10 years total service.

-- Tom Lantos: $95,117 in 2007, 26 years total service.

-- Anna Eshoo: $38,584 in 2007, 14 years total service.

-- Mike Honda: $14,884 in 2007, 6 years total service.

-- Zoe Lofgren: $25,301 in 2007, based on 12 years congressional service.

-- Sam Farr: $34,726 in 2007, 14 years service.

-- Richard Pombo: $24,310 in the year 2017, reduced 30 percent for early retirement at that time.

-- Pete Stark and George Miller would both "max out" under the Civil Service Retirement System by 2007. Their starting pensions would each be $119, 934.

Source: Hearst Newspapers
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:43 PM
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31. Did I say it wasn't great?
I said there is more to the system than what most people know or want to admit.

Like the fact that they do have the same selection of insurance as all other federal employees.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 01:51 PM
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8. They are highly paid and get a nice retirement package as well.


So if anyone could ..they could easily afford the most expensive private plans. Yet would rather choose to save that money and stick the taxpayers for it.

They are also allowed to use their own private hospital ..Walter Reed

knr
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:21 PM
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16. And their plans are paid for by the taxes of many of us who
work but have no insurance, or whose insurance won't cover major illnesses or other needed treatments, and/or who've been bankrupted and lost everything to the medical industry simply because they or a family member has had the nerve to get sick. But what the fuck do they care? They've got theirs, so who cares about anyone else, right?
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:23 PM
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17. kick. eom
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:43 PM
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19. Why not indeed! And to that asshole who says
"go work for the Fed govt."..I say "the Fed Govt works for the People."
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:48 PM
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22. In 2006, Courtney promised not to accept taxpayer subsidized health insurance...
a privilege offered to all Members of Congress, until all Americans have access to affordable and quality coverage.

That's something else.

Found at the video description:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEBEj-L-n2A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftheplumline.whorunsgov.com%2Fhealth-care%2Fhouse-dem-calls-out-dem-and-gop-colleagues-you-have-public-health-plan-why-not-ame&feature=player_embedded
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 03:06 PM
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25. VIDEO HERE:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 02:49 PM
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23. The servants are more worthy than their employers.
Of course, the idea of the politicians "serving" the public has been superseded by the opposite notion.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:33 PM
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46. That is very disingenuous of the Honorable Congressman.
Edited on Thu Jul-16-09 07:34 PM by Laelth
Many of the uninsured have jobs--low paying ones--that do not come with insurance. We would all love to have good jobs that come with great benefits, I suspect. That is not what this bill will give us. It gives us nothing. It forces us to buy low-quality insurance that no doctor and no hospital will be required to take. The direct, out-of-pocket cost to the uninsured for this poor coverage will be anywhere from 1.5% to 12% of our gross income, every year, whether we can afford it or not. If we don't buy it, we're criminals. This bill offers the uninsured nothing like what Congress has.

:dem:

-Laelth
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:51 AM
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48. Did you read this? The guy is not accepting health care from Congress.
He's in agreement with those who are uninsured. What's your gripe?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:06 AM
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49. I read it, and that's very noble of him. He's a definite liberal, and I know that.
I just said it's "disingenuous." He's not really proposing to give us "what Congress gets," is he? If so, I definitely missed that in the OP.

:dem:

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:14 AM
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50. Well, Laelth, you are bound and determined to be disappointed.
There's nothing I can do about that. I hope things get more equitable healthcare-wise, and think it will happen, even if single-payer isn't at the front of the pack at the moment.

The fact that this country is even considering it is a step in the right direction, especially given all the odds at this point in time of doing nothing because the budget will suffer. So many issues, so little time.

Let's do whatever we can, then hone it. If that's even possible now.

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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 01:47 AM
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51. I appreciate that the President is trying to do something.
I appreciate that the Congressional leadership seems to be working with him and not against him.

I remain skeptical, however, as you rightly note. We will see how this all shakes out.

:dem:

-Laelth
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 07:44 PM
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47. GREAT! What is his state? He's getting a Thank You call from me tomorrow!
This is EXACTLY what is called for!
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 08:06 AM
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