Man, where were all you presidential legitimacy people eight years ago

[kayakjohnny]

when it really mattered?


Assbags, every one of you.


Suck on your delusions.


Please sleep poorly tonight.

[Solomon]

1. Remember how they ignored the records that showed

Bush as awol?

They make me sick.

[me b zola]

2. Shhh, bush* is white + rich+ republican

Rules don't apply to those with those 3 criteria.

[kayakjohnny]

3. There's just no accountability anymore. For anyone.

This country is just shot in so many ways, I'm afraid. We may never see it come back. Sad possibility.


Side note: you hang out a bit on another political site?

[wroberts189]

4. take a trip with me to 8 years ago.... when they blew off a real violation.

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=122289


Court: Cheney Is Wyoming Resident
Federal Appeals Court Upholds Ruling; Cheney Would Be Allowed to Serve
By Alan Clendenning

N E W O R L E A N S, Dec. 7

Dick Cheney is a Wyoming resident and therefore would be constitutionally qualified to serve as George W. Bushs vice president, a federal appeals court ruled today.

The ruling came from the bench after an hour-long hearing in which lawyers for three Texas residents argued that Cheney had moved to Bushs home state of Texas when he took a job there in 1993.

The 12th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prevents the president and vice president from living in the same state.

The three-judge appellate panel took a short recess after the arguments, then Judge Patrick Higginbotham returned to say without elaboration that the panel was in agreement that Cheney clearly is a Wyoming resident.

Higginbotham was appointed by former President Reagan. The othersRhesa H. Barksdale and Jacques L. Wiener Jr.were appointed by former President Bush.

Plaintiffs Are Ready to Appeal

The three plaintiffs are prepared to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court if the appeals court sides with a lower court judge, said James Jones, one of the lawyers representing the plaintiffs.

Its an important constitutional question, Jones said. Its one that Bush and Cheney have tried to finesse, but I think its one that deserves serious attention.

U.S. District Judge Sidney Fitzwater, a Republican appointed by President Reagan, ruled Friday that Cheney has proven he has both a physical presence within the state of Wyoming and the intent that Wyoming be his place of habitation.

Cheney spokeswoman Juleanna Glover Weiss predicted the appeal would fail. A similar lawsuit filed in Florida was dismissed Nov. 20.

We just think they have no legal grounds and that the case itself is baseless, she said. At some point, theyre going to have to take stock and realize this dog dont hunt.

Dallas Home Since 1993

Cheney, a former Wyoming congressman, lived in Dallas while he was chairman of Halliburton Co. until he changed his voting registration to Teton County, Wyo., on July 21  four days before becoming Bushs running mate.

He or his wife have owned a home in Dallas since 1993, but have entered into a contract to sell the property, which was listed for $3.1 million. Cheney, who was defense secretary under President George Bush, also owns property in McLean, Va.

Jones said Cheneys house was listed as owner-occupied when it was put on the market in November.

The plaintiffs are Dallas-area residents Stephen E. Jones, a Texas Wesleyan University law student, and Linda D. Lydia and Caroline Franco, both housewives. The suit named Bush, Cheney, Texas Secretary of State Elton Bomer and the 32 Texas electors as defendants.

Weiss said the plaintiffs are Democrats, but Jones said he did not know his clients party affiliations.

Copyright © 2009 ABC News Internet Ventures

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5. strictly speaking, the 12th amendment does NOT prevent prez & veep from being from the same state

it merely prevents that state's electors from voting for both of them. other states are free to vote as they wish. in the case of the 2000 election, the texas electors would have voted for bush and then abstained from the veep election. given how close the election was, this would have resulted in bush becoming president and lieberman becoming vice-president.

as a practical matter, it's hard to fathom what might have happened from there. lieberman might have cut a deal to resign and let cheney get appointed and confirmed by the senate, in exchange for a senate chair on the republican side, or who knows what.

[wroberts189]

6. I am no expert ..but they did have a case on the issue or the court would not have heard it. nt

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7. they did have a case, a pretty good one.

even if the 12th amendment isn't as broad as to preclude the prez & veep from ever being from the same state.

the real problem is not only the practical reality that states can play loosey-goosey with the residence rules when there's a chance of them getting their state associated with a presidential ticket, but that the residency rules in many states are loosey-goosey to begin with. most importantly for powerful and rich types, residency is determined independently by each state. so there's nothing that says you can't be an official resident of more than one state. in cheney's case, wyoming said, sure, he's one of us, but texas had a far more solid case to say he was a texas resident.

nothing required texas to say anything, but they would certainly have said he wasn't a resident if push came to shove because hey, that's politics.

the only solution is to have a single FEDERAL criteria for determining residency, and better yet, require residency to be registered and established for at least 4 years prior to inauguration.