Marcy Wheeler - "bcc: Karl Rove"

[Hissyspit]

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2007/04/bcc_karl_rove.html

bcc: Karl Rove
by emptywheel

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Tantalizing, huh? Well, in addition to the subpoena, Conyers has made available all of the previous correspondence with DOJ, including the most recent letter to Richard Hertling. And that letter includes a more thorough description of what Conyers is after.

I need to see exactly when the lists for termination were developed and modified, who had input into those determinations and the reasons they ascribed to their recommendations, and when and who suggested the changing explanations for these decisions to the public and to our Committee.

Shorter John Conyers: we've just demonstrated that you keep changing your story. And we would like to know who was in charge of that changing story. He goes on:

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Then there's the suggestion that they've been vacuuming up the hard drives of those who have left:

All of these required data should include the computers and other records of the individuals who worked on this matter but have since left the Department or are on administrative leave, including but not limited to Mr. Sampson, Mr. Battle and Ms. Goodling.

This is actually one I think I can help with. Even in my review, I've seen evidence that Moschella turned over documents that included cc's to Elston, but which didn't show up in Elston's document dump. In other words, Elston didn't turn over as much as Moschella. And Goodling turned over still less. So I'm guessing, that there's a whole bunch of materials they tried to destroy as soon as Goodling took her pre-resignation leave of absence.

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Now that would be a leak I'd like to see--the results of forensic imaging of Turdblossom's White House computer. It would make Nixon's tapes look like child's play.

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[rodeodance]

1. I think we have to assume----that documents were destroyed.

[formercia]

2. Sometimes, it's not the crime that sends them to jail

it's the cover-up. Obstruction of Justice can be lot easier to prove. Then, you can add on conspiracy.

[Gman]

3. As I wrote a few weeks ago...

they were writing zeros to hard drives as we speak.

[alfredo]

12. That would assure obstruction of justice charges.

[Gman]

13. Just like when a group of us

on the day Iran-Contra broke sat behind the local ice house drinking beer after softball practice. we were saying on that evening that they were hitting the shredders as we were speaking and talking about it. Turns out we were completely correct as I'm sure I am now. These are the same people now, as then that are calling the shots. They don't give a fat rat's butt about obstruction of justice. If they don't get caught, it never happened. And if they do get caught, they'll claim they did nothing wrong and they are victims of a political witch hunt and why do we love terrorists so much and hate America

[alfredo]

15. Meese gave North 24 hours to destroy the evidence before there

was a move to secure the evidence.

[Gman]

16. After all was said and done

it sure seemed like it heppened while we were sitting there.

[alfredo]

20. Meese knew that North could take them all down.

The Reagan Revolution would have been over.

[loudsue]

18. And bush will pardon all of them, if congress doesn't pass a law

to make pardons void for investigations/crimes within the highest levels of government.

This just means any old crook can take control of the oval office, set their crime syndicate up in business, commit every crime in the book, and then turn around and PARDON the same crooks he hired.

The pardon gives too much leeway to crimes committed in the oval office.

:kick:

[NastyRiffraff]

4. No way are they gonna comply with the subpoena

As one of Marcy's commenters said, they can't, from their POV. Conyers is onto something, and they can't let him have the evidence.

This is going to be a Constitutional fight to the death.

BTW, I love John Conyers! Smart, asking for bcc records and metadata.

[C_U_L8R]

5. They should subpoena the NSA

they've got every email ever sent

[yardwork]

10. Yes, that is a very good point!

And I'll bet that some of those NSA staff are very unhappy with the illegal behavior of the chimp administration.

[myrna minx]

6. So am I to assume they have invited Magneto to tea? n/t

[Snotcicles]

7. Treason:The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. The coup d etat started with the stolen 2000 election. eom

[Hissyspit]

8. "Nixon's tapes ... child's play" n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

11. I guess ROve could never have imagined that they would come for his computer?

[KoKo]

14. They might have just enough "copies" of e-mails turned over by those more afraid

and less sure of themselves than Monica Goodling (who has been protected and pushed forward since her '99 graduation from Regent Law School.

It's possible they have e-mails that they know are copies that were sent...and are asking for the originals that probably were deleted. Still...they might have a sketchy trail of documents but enough that Conyers team could piece together what is missing.

Obstruction of Justice and Tampering with evidence.....They probably have that nailed by now even without all the missing stuff. The deleted hard drives or missing laptops (deep sixed or run over by a Mack truck) are the icing on their case. A little bit of testimony from some frightened DOJ staffers about what they saw or heard would also cinch it.

That's my hope, anyway.

[gatorboy]

17. Wasn't there a story not long ago about the WH hiring some heavy duty shredding co.?

[loudsue]

19. Yep! The day after the Dems took congress.

There were a lot of witnesses that saw it...the republicans were doing it in plain sight.

:kick: