Which is the better road to reelection in 2012?

[Stinky The Clown]

An attempt at a bipartisan health insurance reform bill that ultimately did not pass?

or

A partisan health care reform bill that passed with a bare majority and then, when implemented, worked to the overwhelming betterment of the country's citizens?




This is as big an issue as social security. Bigger than Medicare. Maybe as big as the Civil Rights Bill of 64.

[Skink]

1. Hmmmm.

Thinking.

[doc03]

2. A partisan health-care bill if it works, if not

forget 2012.

[Stinky The Clown]

3. That's called thinking and acting BOLD

Sometimes ya gotta do what's right ... not what plays best in Peoria ..... or East Dumbfuckistan.

[Skink]

4. Yep.

[dflprincess]

5. Given that the bipartisan plans apparently won't be up and running at all before 2013

(if HR3200 is the basic model for a bipartisan cluster* of the public) and a single payer plan that was built on Medicare could start being extended to groups of the population almost immediately (keeping in mind it took 11 months to get it up and running "from scratch" in the beginning) - I'd go with the partisan plan. In 3 years time enough people would have access to a system we already know works that the only problem might be impatience among those who weren't covered by it yet in 2012.

And if enough people were happy with the new plan 2012 would be a good year.

If we're still at the mercy of the private insurers - and still paying big copays and deductibles (which HR3200 allows) and very few people have improved access to actual care, not just insurance and are unhappy, the "bipartisan" plan will be used against the Democrats - and they'll probably deserve to have that happen.

[Stinky The Clown]

8. Well stated!

:thumbsup:

[Just-plain-Kathy]

6. I will always go with what's best for "We the People"...

I think we will have a sure win in 2012 if Obama holds past administrations accountable for selling us off to the highest bidders.

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[Angleae]

9. If the economy doesn't pick up, it won't matter what he does on health care.

If people don't have jobs, if the can't pay their bills, health care won't exactly be the first thing they think of at the polls.

[dorkulon]

10. Shows you the power of corruption in DC.

If we flat-out socialized medicine, the Dems wouldn't lose another election for decades. Talk about voting against your own self-interest.

[XemaSab]

11. I think Obama should go for the brass ring here

This could either be the civil rights act or the ERA...

[BlooInBloo]

12. 1) Have Obama on the ticket...

2) Win.