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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:15 PM
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These stupid ass consersatives (Re: Candians)
I just heard a loon on Ed's show saying Candians come across the border to get health care? What the hell is this guy smookng? Richard Vigory from Conserative HQ.com just made a claim that that's what happens.

Are there any Candians on here that can share what health care is like?
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Adarlene Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:54 PM
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1. It's not free....
but it is available to everyone.

We pay for it through taxation of course, and through a monthly premium based on income. For example, hubby and I pay about $95 a month for our family of three (we make a tad over $100,000/yr). Monthly premiums are based on income. A poor family pays nothing.

I am just going to go for "elective" surgery to remove a cyst... I do not pay anything. I never paid a cent for tests, which were done immediately, nor the ultrasound or biopsy (there was fear it may be cancer, it wasn't thankfully).
As removal of the cyst will make my breasts uneven I have decided to have them reconstructed. THIS I pay for myself (about $3000 out of my pocket).

How much taxes do we pay? Virtually nothing because we have a rental suite which we write off repairs and we have a small business which we can write off part of our home and vehicles. We also have RRSP's and tax free savings accounts.

you may have heard lately that our Premier (BC's provincial leader... like a Governor) has recently made HUGE healthcare cuts in order to save money. Cancelling elective surgeries etc.

Next election he is out on his ass! Don't mess the medical system bonehead! LOL Don't let the door hitcha on the way out Mr. Campbell!




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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 12:58 PM
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2. I'm so envious of you
I wish we had that
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Adarlene Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:12 PM
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5. The first thing
that the pro-healthcare folks need to do is get the word out that it's not "government provided" medical care. It's government provided INSURANCE.

The government provides the insurance. The doctor bills the government. He is a "private" contractor who gets paid by submitting bills to the government who then pays him/her for their services.

What I wish they would do here is institute user fees -- so many people here run to the doc everytime they sniffle... I would be willing to pay $25 each time I see the doc (poor should, as always, pay nothing) to help offset the rising costs of healthcare.

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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:07 PM
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3. It does happen with some regularity...
more than 3/4 of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the our border with the US. Sometimes, the closest hospital is the one across the border, instead of the one in the nearest major Canadian city. Canadians living in Ft. Erie, or Niagara Falls, for example, are closer to a trauma center in Buffalo, than Toronto. Also, at any time, there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of Canadians vacationing, or travelling, in the US. Those vacationers get sick, or injured, and get care where they are.

Sid
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:10 PM
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4. But their bills are picked up by the Canadian Government
Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 01:10 PM by supernova
Actually, I think it's the provincial gov't that pays.

Secondly, when Canadians come here for vacation, they are encouraged to get temporary travelers' insurance for the reasons you cite: unexpected illness or injury.

So, they aren't coming here really because we're better. It's just that in some instance it's more convenient or they happen to be here when something happens.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:17 PM
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6. Exactly...
many Provincial governments have arrangements in place to pay for care outside of the Canada, when it's more convenient (the border cities situations), and I don't know anyone who travels to the US without Out-of-Country medical insurance.

Sid
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 01:18 PM
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7. Check out my thread from yesterday about Phantoms in the Snow:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6285366&mesg_id=6285366


Throughout the 1990s, opponents of the Canadian system gained considerable political traction in the United States by pointing to Canada’s methods of rationing, its facility shortages, and its waiting lists for certain services. These same opponents also argued that "refugees" of Canada’s single-payer system routinely came across the border seeking necessary medical care not available at home because of either lack of resources or prohibitively long queues.

This paper by Steven Katz and colleagues depicts this popular perception as more myth than reality, as the number of Canadians routinely coming across the border seeking health care appears to be relatively small, indeed infinitesimal when compared with the amount of care provided by their own system....

To examine the extent to which Canadian residents seek medical care across the border, we collected data about Canadians’ use of services from ambulatory care facilities and hospitals located in Michigan, New York State, and Washington State during 1994–1998. We also collected information from several Canadian sources, including the 1996 National Population Health Survey, the provincial Ministries of Health, and the Canadian Life and Health Insurance Association. Results from these sources do not support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek care extensively in the United States. Indeed, the numbers found are so small as to be barely detectible relative to the use of care by Canadians at home.

For more than a decade anecdotal reports of waiting lists for elective procedures in Canada and of hordes of Canadian "Medicare refugees" crossing the border in search of medical care in the United States have provided emotive fuel for critics of the Canadian health care system from both sides of the border.1 American opponents of universal public coverage have argued that global constraints on capacity and funding force many Canadians to cross the border in search of services that are unavailable or in short supply in their own country.2 Some have gone so far as to suggest that the widening health care spending gap between Canada and the United States is partly the result of counting expenditures by Canadian Medicare refugees in the U.S. rather than the Canadian expenditure totals, although there is an extensive body of evidence showing that the sources of the spending gap lie elsewhere.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 02:07 PM
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8. As a resident of Candy Land, I can tell you our health care is mediocre at best.
I keep telling my doctor that I need traditional Western Medicine and not candy canes and snickers bars, but he doesn't listen. Our dental care is second to none, though.
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