Mom in minivan tasered twice in Salina traffic stop

[Swede]

The deputy, Sean Andrews, accused her of talking on her cell phone. She said she could prove him wrong.

He said she was speeding. She denied it and got out of the van. He told her to get back in. She did, then he ordered her back out.

He yanked her out by the arm, knocked her down with two Taser shots and charged her with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. His rationale on the disorderly conduct charge: She obstructed traffic when she got out of the van. The speeding accusation: going 50 mph in a 45-mph zone

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/mom_in_minivan_tasered_in_traf.html

[Mythsaje]

1. Damn soccer moms are out of control.

I blame Patricia Arquette.

:D

[DJ13]

4. I blame Patricia Arquette.

Nah, she would have seen the trouble before it happened.

[lame54]

102. this wouldn't happen if she were a hockey mom

[Liberal_in_LA]

2. thug cop

[atreides1]

6. You did it now

Count down until the "Cops are misunderstood" crowd comes to get you.

[Liberal_in_LA]

9. Let 'em come.

[FiveGoodMen]

11. And Fuck 'em when they do.

Not all cops are bad.

But until they stop covering for each other, all police departments ARE bad!

[Mythsaje]

15. Pretty much my atttitude...

It's hard to see the good cops when the blue shield wall is protecting the bad ones.

[Uncle Joe]

36. A most profound statement, Mythsaje, I totally agree.

"It's hard to see the good cops when the blue shield wall is protecting the bad ones."

[EFerrari]

18. The thing I didn't realize until recently is that their abuses and crimes

are self reported by their departments.

Sweet.

[FiveGoodMen]

42. Do mean that they DO actually tell on themselves or that no one else does so they're safe?

[EFerrari]

51. Their departments self report to the DoJ.

There is no other national accounting. :shrug:

[FiveGoodMen]

53. I guess that helps explain how they get away with it.

[PM Martin]

95. My message for them is simple!

BREAK THE POLICE UNIONS!

[indepat]

24. Would seem far many of our finest are inflicted and infected with taseritis,

piling up untold instances of assault with a deadly weapon, abuse of power, and countless violations of civil rights. May the ACLU come to the rescue of basic civil rights in this once land of the free. :P

[n2doc]

100. +1000 n/t

[Hawkowl]

113. Redundant

Simply use "thug" or "cop".

[BlooInBloo]

3. Jeebus cops suck.

[hedgehog]

5. The best part is that the way I read it, he hauled her away

and left two kids sitting in a van with no means of contacting another adult. Bystanders called the kids' father, but what if she'd been a single mother?

[Mythsaje]

7. Wouldn't that be child endangerment? n/t

[rvablue]

8. Or what if those bystanders hadn't been such upstanding citizens?

If he did that, drove away and left those kids with strangers, he should be immediately terminated and the DA should file criminal charges against him -- that is child endangerment, at minimum.

[redqueen]

14. How often are cops criminally charged for their actions?

Wiley Willis beat the hell out of that woman... walked away scot free.

[Ignis]

16. To protect and serve...

...the county's traffic ticket revenues!

Nice to see Deputy Dawg had his priorities straight. :patriot:

[truedelphi]

97. That has gotta be considered child endangerment. n/t

[Sanity Claws]

10. Another out of control cop

Fire him.

[Soylent Brice]

12. if i was a sadist i think law enforcement would definitelty be the job for me. n/t

[CrispyQ]

45. It does seem that occupations, where one has authority over others,

attract the very types of personalities that shouldn't be in those positions.

[Mythsaje]

48. "Power attracts the corruptible." Frank Herbert n/t

[Soylent Brice]

64. like flies to shit.

[rd_kent]

13. This looks bad. But why do we not hear the audio of the confrontation?

I would like to know how the actual conversation went instead of her commentary after the fact.

[Ignis]

21. What audio could possibly excuse the cop's actions?

I can't think of a single thing this woman could have said that would require the cop to physically drag her out of the car, taser her, watch her claw her way back into the car, pull her out again, turn her around so the taser barbs would hit her in the chest instead of going into her coat, and tase her again...all in front of her kids.

Not, "I love Satan."
Not, "Fuck you, pig."
Not, "Hitler was a great man."
Not, "I'm going to kill the president."

Not a single goddamn thing.

Can you? :shrug:

[rd_kent]

22. Not much, this looks like the cop fucked up.

But there was a video several years ago with the same situation. The cop kept asking the woman to hang up the phone and get out of the car, repeatedly, over and over. She finally got tazed. Without the audio, it looked alot like this video. I would like to hear how the whole thing went down before making final judgment. I agree, it will take a lot to get me to side with the cop on this one, but I want to know how it all went down first.

[Ignis]

27. Fair enough.

I'm also willing to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt at very first pass, but a particularly egregious incident like this leaves little wiggle room.

Cops need to learn that rapid force escalation should be reserved for violent offenders, not everyday traffic stops. Or rather, I should say that lawmakers should force local LEO agencies to prove that their officers have been sufficiently trained in force escalation before they're given high-voltage penis substitutes.

[rd_kent]

29. "high-voltage penis substitutes"? Really? A bit inflammatory dont you think?

What about all of the female police officers that use tasers? That kind of language does not open up the debate.

[Ignis]

39. I think it's rather appropriate given the high # of ego-related...

...Taser incidents over the past ~5 years.

"Disrespecting" a LEO shouldn't be cause for Tasering. Ever. But these stories we see about misuse of Tasers appear to reveal that very situation, over and over and over again.

I understand your point about framing the debate, but keep in mind that there is no debate to open up. Cops across the country continue to be issued Tasers, regardless of recent studies that show a SIXFOLD increase in in-custody suspect deaths during the first year after departments roll out Tasers.

Did you get to vote whether or not your local LEOs should be allowed to carry life-threatening Tasers without sufficient training and oversight? I know I sure didn't.

[rd_kent]

41. You are right. "disrespect" is not a crime

But there IS a debate to be had here. Tasers can be a very safe and useful tool, WHEN USED PROPERLY. We often see incidents like this that show the misuse of that tool, but tasers get used thousands of times a day, all over the country, as a safe alternative to guns or physical handling. You and I agree that more needs to be done to prevent the kind of misuse we see on videos.

[Ignis]

47. Don't get me wrong: I don't oppose less-lethal solutions.

But the sheer volume of ego-related Taser incidents over the past few years leaves me with no other reasonable conclusion than that LEO departments across the country are guilty of near-criminal negligence in training officers in their use.

Every time a LEO pulls an ego-based sadistic stunt like this, he not only brings the general level of respect for cops down, he makes it that much tougher for people to support arming cops with less-lethal technologies.

Frankly, I think most American cops could use a good course in proper force escalation, and another in non-violent de-escalation skills.

[rd_kent]

79. I could not have said it better!

We are in agreement.

[Ignis]

90. Pretty rare on DU to reach concurrence, but yay us!

:hug:

[KakistocracyHater]

55. women cops of broward county, after toddlers & tiaras

last night I saw a leo jump on someone in a wheelchair & knocked that person to the ground. They need to teach how to de-escalate situations, instead of ratcheting it up; I've seen too many episodes of cops, where that is the cause of eventual arrest.

I think they need to make roon for human nature & weakness. Rotate leos into desk jobs, have them see their areas from a different vantage point, hopefully seeing patterns of criminal behaviour, to better track & catch them. Also, a detective with 5 regular cars, in shape bodies & minds; no more glomming onto a call, like a wolf-pack, this behaviour can get them killed, a smart criminal can bait them. Stop seeing internal affairs as an enemy, they are more like a sports coach. Low levels of crime should be measured, not arrest quotas, they are measuring the wrong thing.

[asdjrocky]

58. I've been talking about that show for a couple of days now.

The promo has this blond officer saying, "It's always a good time to taze," or something very close to that.

[PM Martin]

68. Right here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RBT6m0LHRM

F***ING W****S!
:argh: :mad: :argh: :mad: :argh: :mad: :argh: :mad: :argh: :mad:

[asdjrocky]

71. I was looking for that, thanks.

[Ignis]

78. "Stop seeing internal affairs as an enemy" -- great point

I also salute your idea of changing the metrics by which law enforcement efficiency is measured.

:patriot:

[KakistocracyHater]

80. thanks, I needed that

*

[BR_Parkway]

69. That does bring up the point that I can't recall any female police officers

being mentioned in any of the seemingly over the top taser incidents that keep getting reported on.

[Ignis]

73. I didn't want to raise that point, as I'm sure there are counter-examples.

But I think my description of the Taser was probably tipping my hand enough. ;)

[Spider Jerusalem]

94. How many instances of a *female* police officer tasering someone have there been?

Because, you know...I don't recall hearing of a single one. Every single time I've heard about a cop using a taser on a suspect, it's been a male cop.

[BlooInBloo]

33. I'm stealing that line.

[rd_kent]

26. Here is a link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dio9tMlNlRw

[jayfish]

31. I Don't Know What's Worse,...

the video or the commentary. Oh, and you don't think this was justified do you?

Jay

[rd_kent]

34. Yes.

I am still looking for the raw video of this one, its much better (or worse) to show that the cop was justified.

[crim son]

88. Is somebody suggesting that taze was necessary?

What would the cops have done before tasers? Shoot her? There HAVE to be other ways of dealing with uncooperative but non-threatening people that doesn't involve "fifty thousand volts."

[Name removed]

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[Eric J in MN]

19. It should be illegal to taser an unarmed person. NT

NT

[PA Democrat]

20. Cop first accused her of illegally using a handheld cell phone while driving

when she offered to let him see her cell phone to prove she wasn't on the phone he decided to switch the charge to speeding, but he lied about that as well, because he had NOT clocked her with a radar gun. He was making shit up.

Glad the charges were dropped. The lady could have lost her bus driving job, if the lying cop had his way.

Cop showed no concern for her unattended children nor for the woman's safety as he tased her while she was laying on the road in the middle of the lane of traffic. He needs to be fired. He's just made sure 2 kids will grow up hating cops.

[Zodiak]

23. The cop OPENED HER COAT to tase her!

What kind of sicko S&M fantasy is this asshole playing out?

If she is safe enough to touch to open her coat, then she doesn't need the taser. He wanted to inflict pain on her...that would be my conclusion. The fact that the charges were dropped almost immediately tells me that this cop had fucked up bigtime.

[Ignis]

30. Yeah, that bit really did it for me, too.

I get mad enough reading about these petty sadists playing with high-voltage weapons like they were electronic penis substitutes.

But when I read the equivalent of "the officer braked and ran over the suspect again in reverse," I have trouble seeing straight. :grr:

[BlooInBloo]

35. What? So he forgot his ball-gag that day. Is that a crime?

[susanr516]

91. It was obvious the officer wasn't threatened

at 50 seconds, you can see that he put the Taser back in the holster. You can see that he's using both hands to pull her out of the minivan at 1:02. He tases her the first time 11 seconds later. Where's the threat?

[endarkenment]

25. rush to judgement facts aren't all in wait for the police report etc.

plus, back in the day he would have broken all her fingers in the door, or some other interesting twist on why we should not be concerned with police violence.

[Ignis]

28. Don't forget: "Without a Taser, he would have shot her!"

:crazy:

[Bonobo]

32. And these are only the ones we see! That is the scariest thing... nt

[rd_kent]

37. Right! We never see the ones

that show the thousands of proper uses everyday.

[endarkenment]

40. Go ahead - you are free to post them here.

[rd_kent]

43. But thats my point.

We dont get to see them. Tasers are used hundreds, if not thousands of times a day.

[endarkenment]

65. Tasers are used thousands of times a day?

Really? And you are ok with that?

[Vinnie From Indy]

101. Really? Prove it!

Do you have ANY basis beyond your gut that tasers are used "hundreds, if not thousands of times a day?"

[dorkulon]

38. "It's OK to admit you're wrong."

I have NEVER seen a cop admit to being in the wrong in even the most insignificant way.

[PM Martin]

44. Glenn Greenwald/Digby have commentary from Salon.com

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/08/11/tasers/index.html

[BlooInBloo]

54. In addition to her across-the-board wonderfulness, Digby has always been awesome on tasers/cops...

Glad she's using her prime-time slot to highlight it.

For more on the topic by her:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=taser+site%3Adigbysblog.blogspot.com&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

[PM Martin]

57. Thank you.

[BlooInBloo]

67. I decided it needed its own thread. :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6297447

[AspenRose]

59. That was hard to read.

But necessary.

[PM Martin]

60. Hard to read?

The text seems to be large enough and in order.
:shrug:

I will see if I can find another copy.

[BlooInBloo]

61. :) Wrong sense of "hard".

[PM Martin]

77. Understood.

[Ignis]

72. Thanks for that link.

This part is particularly important, IMO:

But that's not what's happening. Tasers are routinely used by police to torture innocent people who have not broken any law and whose only crime is being disrespectful toward their authority or failing to understand their "orders." There is ample evidence that police often take no more than 30 seconds to talk to citizens before employing the taser, they use them while people are already handcuffed and thus present no danger, and are used often against the mentally ill and handicapped. It is becoming a barbaric tool of authoritarian, social control.

[truedelphi]

98. That is such a comprehensive piece. And

One of those commenting on the article said this: "Cops are trained to use tasers for compliance."

That pretty much sums it up. We are supposedly a free people, and as such, we are NOT required to show our ID (unless we are in a car we are driving)
We are not required to be polite to police.
And before tasers, guns were drawn and used only against suspects who were posing a physical danger to police. But these days, we are expected to be polite at all times, even if in our own house, and even if the police are at fault.

[PM Martin]

99. True

[Orsino]

105. And yet it is not true, by her own account, that she didn't refuse to obey an order.

She stalled the officer by requesting to see the evidence. I suspect that her conduct was not exemplary, and that the "pending litigation" may be coloring her story.

I see no reason for her to have been tasered, though. It is not quite a non-lethal weapon, and is supposed to be used to subdue the violent rather than to torture/humiliate people for less-than-perfect obedience. That the charges against this woman were mysteriously dropped may say a lot about the officer's multiple versions of the tale.

[busybl]

115. oh, now we must be subservient AND exemplary

[AspenRose]

46. Did you see what some idiot posted in the comments section of that story?

"People need to understand that you don’t get to a police state by going through Conservatism. You get to a police state by going through Liberalism. Conservatives are for the reduction of government, including the police. Liberals want to control your actions. Its part of what Liberalism is. For Liberals, being able to control you and your actions is part of what makes them believe that the world is running properly – there are no radicals, miscreants, law breakers, ect… One method in which you create a world where you can control people and their actions is by having a strong, sometimes very strong, police force. Liberals are happy when they, as the ruling class, have the police running around constantly checking the mass’s to make sure that those mass’s are following the rules. For example, in the Liberal mindset no one pollutes the environment not because it is wrong or immoral, but because there is a strong police force monitoring everything that you do and stopping you through either physical means or non physical intimidation before you do something. Now of course these rules never apply to the ruling class themselves, you see they are exempt.

This story is an example of a very strong police force operating without checks and balances. They see themselves as the “Enforcers” that a Liberal government wants, and thereby believe that they can stand upon high and make self righteous decisions without fear of reprimand. How many of those of us who aren’t police would treat someone like this. Pull them over, accuse them of doing things without concern of proof, give them a fine and say “I’m not responsible. Don’t talk to me about it”. And on top of that use a taser as a though it “showed them who’s boss”. This kind of behavior by a police force comes off as oppressive rule like that of World War II Germany to many people. But you see Liberals don’t view it that way. They see actions similar to the ones described in this story as making sure that the world is running properly. If you want to change the way police act you need to change your political leaders. But be warned, a society that suddenly takes away a strong police force without having citizens who have some kind of “rules of morality” becomes chaotic like the old west.

The job of a police force is to serve and protect the public. The job of a military is to protect the state from its enemies. When the military becomes the police, the public becomes the enemy of the state."

:wtf:

[Mythsaje]

49. ROFL...

Right, because cops are liberal by nature. Fucking idiot.

[PM Martin]

50. Conservatives are the ones that promote

the "law and order" mentality, liberals(the few genuine) oppose this mentality.

[Ignis]

66. Ugh, that twisted logic makes my brain hurt.

It reminds me of those idiots who're constantly saying that Hitler was a Leftist. :eyes:

Have these people never cracked a single book on political theory? FFS, it's like they're baking a cake out of granite, gasoline, and caltrops because they've never bothered to read a cookbook!

:banghead:

[busybl]

116. but Hitler was a socialist, wasn't he?

[LibertyLover]

110. Yeah, about that "protect and serve" thing

Courts have ruled in a number of cases that police have no duty to protect the public. They are there to enforce laws. If by doing so they protect the public, that's nice, but it's not their primary function.

[busybl]

117. then their cars need a new paint job

[asdjrocky]

52. Disorderly conduct. Wow.

How much you want to bet that charge is drooped? When are people going to learn, this is what cops do.

Now, people can check in and tell me not all cops, and make sure I know we don't know the whole story, but this guy is just another punk in blue. I'm sure he needed the tazer to control this woman.

Later on, when the cops get together for beers, they joke about how people look when they are being tazed. I've seen it happen time and time again. These guys do it for sport and fun.

[PM Martin]

56. All true.

The Sarah Palins and George Bush's of the world are what are most attracted to positions of authority.

[PA Democrat]

70. According to the article the DA dropped all charges after viewing the videotape.

[Strong Atheist]

62. Typical abuse of power. Ordered in and out of the vehicle to create a problem

with "disorderly conduct", ordered on to the porch to create "disorderly conduct"; where have we seen this before?

[Ikonoklast]

87. Yep. Scream conflicting orders at the 'suspect'.

When the 'suspect' doesn't comply to "Stand still!" "Lie on the ground!" "Put your hands behind your back!" "Put your hands on your head!" "Don't move!" all at once, the person getting screamed at will certainly make the mistake of not 'following orders' by either doing or not doing what they've been told to do.

Out comes the tazer.

[Strong Atheist]

89. Well said. Agreed. nt.

[Dappleganger]

63. Where's the Moms in Minivans Union when you need them???

**grabs the wheel of my T&C to drive to Salina**


Asshole cop.

[AuntPatsy]

74. But but but...this will be yesterdays news as surely as the gates incident..

and another will soon face such abuse...I stupidly believed that the gates incident getting such a high profile voice such as the president of this country would help to put a louder cry of outrage to police abuse..

I was wrong and so many here on Du even wanted the subject dropped.....

This is what happens when issues are dropped....

History will continue to repeat itself as long as people tend to tire of discussing such as "police brutality"

[RamboLiberal]

75. This cop should be fired or at least retrained

and put on probation. That woman was no threat to him. So she might have copped a little attitude - when the hell did that become a crime. Tasers should be used when a suspect is out of control and there is a physical threat to a cop. A lot of these cops are seeing the taser as a solution to every citizen who gives them a bit of attitude.

[Ignis]

76. Pass out a bunch of hammers...

...and all your problems start looking like nails.

You are 100% correct that there was no taser-worthy threat here.

[npk]

82. I vote for find new work

From my past experience you can't retrain stupidity.

[npk]

81. The whole time I watched that I saw one car drive by

And that vehicle only slowed to see what was going on. So she clearly was not obstructing traffic. The cop has absolutely no people skills. He draws his taser almost immediately. Who the fuck draws their taser when someone just steps out of a vehicle. I could see if the lady stepped out of the vehicle and had a weapon in her hands, or stepped out of the vehicle and started running toward the officer. But she as calmly as possible just steps out of the vehicle. If this officer cannot possibly stand talking to somebody and explaining what is going on then he needs to find another line of work.

Fucking ridiculous.

[RamboLiberal]

84. Yeah and when he went to handcuff her he had her in the traffic lane

That could've caused an accident and gotten them injured.

[busybl]

119. and since when do you get pulled out of a car

for going 5 mph over the limit? What happened to I need to see your license and insurance?

[TexasObserver]

83. Recommend

[Lorien]

85. Remove his sorry ass from the force & make him apologize

(or vice versa). We have the same kind of assholes down here in Florida. What a disgrace to the uniform!

Now, all we need are the authoritarian apologists on DU to show up and scream about how he should have shot her...

[TK421]

86. Aw hell, fire him....they'll give him a medal n/t

[chrisa]

92. Wanted to beat up on a woman.

Mr. tough guy needs to use a taser on a 5 foot 4 woman. I bet he got stuffed into lockers in High School.

[Th1onein]

93. But but but.....WAIT TIL THE FACTS ARE ALL IN!

I am so tired of hearing that bullshit.

He left the kids to strangers to take care of while he hauled their mother off to jail. What a piece of shit.

[PM Martin]

96. kick

[Vinnie From Indy]

103. I saw a kid tasered a week ago at a Dave Matthews concert

He was absolutely no threat to the officer, yet he was tased. Not only was he tased, the cop kept the juice on for about twenty seconds. The crowd that was around began to scream at the cop to quit zapping him. The cop then handcuffed the kid and walked back to his car a few feet away and grabeed a SHOTGUN. He walked back the kid and then racked the shotgun. That is when I left the scene. This cop was fucking out of control and somebody was gonna get shot. It could well be that his shotgun had beanbags, but who wants to take that chance. I was absolutely speechless after watching the event. This cop tased the kid solely becuase he was wanted to punish him for not moving fast enough or some such thing.


Tasers have become a public health issue and they are not being used as they were intended. Many cops simply use the device to deliver punishment.

[PM Martin]

114. There should be cases where cops

can be "taken out" because they are threatening the lives of others.
This would most certainly be the case.

[defendandprotect]

104. Our public servants strike again . . . !!!

[Kievan Rus]

106. The Taser = a cop's solution to every problem

[Rebubula]

107. Number comparison

During that same day as this happened, over 10,000 other people were stopped for moving violations and none got tasered.

Yes...there are some asshole cops, but mostly they are good, honest people.

[hfojvt]

108. story does not match the video

not that I still do not think he should be fired.

"He said she was speeding. She denied it and got out of the van. He told her to get back in. She did, then he ordered her back out.

He yanked her out by the arm, knocked her down with two Taser shots and charged her with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest."

The video showed, as she narrated.

He ordered her to get back in the van.
She didn't.
He told her again. Get back in the van.
She didn't. She's still arguing with him. 'Let me see the video'.
He pulls out his tazer and says she is under arrest.
She gets back in the van.
He orders her out of the van. Still determined to arrest her for refusing his orders.
She refuses.

Still, I would like to send this video to the idiots on the Supreme Court who decided it was Constitutional for the police to arrest somebody over a traffic violation.

But again, all of the wrong is not on the side of the cop.

First, the woman should have stayed in her van.
Second, the woman should not have argued the ticket. You can do that in court if you want to argue.
Third, the woman should get back in the van when asked to.
Fourth, the cop is a bossy jerk. He ahould have just threatened arrest before completely escalating things by pulling out his taser.
Fifth, once the woman was back in the van, he should have gone about the rest of the ticket writing/background check.

[Vinnie From Indy]

122. I would agree with that!

Both of these folks were being stupid.

The cop however bears far more responsibility in this situation. It appears he THOUGHT he saw this woman on a cell phone and pulled her over. After she challenged him by denying the allegation and offering to show him her phone he FABRICATED the speeding charge. Things got all out control at that point. The truly outrageous conduct was his use of the taser. It was BY FAR the most serious fuck-up in this situation. These devices were never intended to be used as the first choice in controlling a situation. This cop had dozens of other options to deal with this woman. Quite simply, he brutalized this woman with the taser when she was not threatening anyone with physical harm.

[tj2001]

109. Another asshole in uniform

a.k.a. gang member with a badge

[CoffeeCat]

111. A taser in the hands of a bad cop...

...gives him unlimited power over people. A bad cop can tase anyone for anything--and just say the person
was beligerent or resisting arrest.

This is really sickening.

Yes, people get mouthy and that's a poor choice. However, they don't deserve to be tased.

Tasers are being used as a retaliation weapon when cops don't like attitudes. That's so
unprofessional and it's sickening.

How many more of these stories will we tolerate?

[mkultra]

112. whats with her "show me the camera tape" business

do cops ever do that. Seems to me they wouldn't be able to do that very easily.

[TexasObserver]

118. Another thug with a badge, an all too common event.

[busybl]

120. 334 dead already in the US

[whistler162]

121. His mistake, which will hopefully cost him his job, was

escalating the incident after she got back in the van.

Her mistakes where getting out of the van and trying to fight the ticket(s) on the street.

Wonder if he is a ex-Clay officer turned merged Sheriff.

[PM Martin]

123. kick