Life Expectancy and Infant Mortality around the world.

[FatDave]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004393.html

In your FACE, Angola!

[eleny]

1. Scandinavian babies doing very well - old folks, too

[FatDave]

2. French, German, Italian, Australian and Japanese ones too.

All better than the United States. Hmmmm.....

[Learning Nomad]

3. You do know that they report infant mortality differently

What is an infant mortality in the US is often not considered an infant mortality in these other countries. That's because they can often be saved in the US but not in the other countries.

[EC]

4. Link? n/t

[Learning Nomad]

7. Link, per your request

The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless. And some countries don't reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates. For this very reason, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country."

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/060924/2healy.htm.

[bemildred]

9. Page not found! nt

[Learning Nomad]

11. my bad! New link.

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/060924/2healy.htm

[bemildred]

12. This is just dissembling.

There are no numbers. How many babies are we talking about that are categorized differently? What percentage is that? What are the outcomes?

But more to the point: why are we in competition with Cuba, a bunch of godless communists in a pre-indistrial nation, for the better infant mortality rate?

[Learning Nomad]

13. Umm, we aren't in competition with anyone.

I'm simply pointing out that the OP's position is untenable.

[bemildred]

14. It is your position that is untenable.

if you want to argue that the numbers are not strictly comparable, that there are category differences, fine. It you want to imply that means we are better than the numbers show, you need to show how.

If there is no competition, why are you here trying to say it's not so bad? I for one am embarrassed by the fact that Cuba shows better infant mortality statistics than we do. If that does not embarass you, that is your business.

[Learning Nomad]

15. Sorry that the facts don't support your position

Can't help that you won't look at them objectively just because it doesn't support your position.

[bemildred]

20. You have provided no facts.

You are not the arbiter of objectivity either. Enjoy your blinkers.

[EC]

24. Think about what you just provided as proof

of our birth mortality rate actually being higher than other countries...this is proving that we have to count dead babies as being alive i.e. stillborn etc. So that makes it worse than reported...

[immoderate]

5. No. I don't know.

Where did you obtain this "knowledge?"

Also, if more infants can be saved in the US, wouldn't that lead to LOWER mortality rates? Moreover, when these countries don't report a dead infant as infant mortality, what do they call it? :shrug:

--imm

[Learning Nomad]

10. See the above link

[immoderate]

21. The article is very general.

It talks about factors that could weigh in the US favor. Funny, there are no factors going the other way. And numbers by the AEI? Are you kidding? Do you think pre-natal care is superfluous?

--imm

[FatDave]

6. That doesn't seem to make sense.

Really, I'm trying to follow your logic, and it's making my brain hurt.

[Learning Nomad]

8. See the above link

Sorry if the facts don't meet your ideas.

[indepat]

25. Funny how the losers of WWII and so many other countries devastated thereby

now have universal health care, lower infant mortality, and greater life expectancy than the victorious USA which was spared the devastation suffered in so much of the world, but a funny thing happened on the way to the forum: spineless Dems have let 'pukes mostly set public policy these last 60 years so that we now spend about as much on national defense, with 5% of the world's population, as the rest of the world, while the uber well-to-do surely enjoy the lowest tax rates in the industrialized world. But take heart, we have been tough on communism, surely killing many more millions of people on their own soil as the rest of the world combined since WWII, we are tough on crime, tough on drugs, and have the highest incarceration rate imaginable. I could rant on and on, but surely all have gotten the drift. :P

[burrowowl]

16. K&R

[Contrary1]

17. Geez...Do you think they report life expectancy differently too?

United States - 6.4 / 78.0

Countries from the link in the OP that have Universal Health Care:

Infant Mortality / Life Expectancy

Austria - 4.5 / 79.2
Australia - 4.6 / 80.6
Canada - 4.6 / 80.3
Denmark - 4.5 / 78.0
Finland - 3.5 / 78.7
France - 4.2 / 79.9
Germany - 4.1 / 79.0
Greece - 5.3 / 79.4
Hungary - 8.2 / 72.9
Ireland - 5.2 / 77.9
Italy - 5.7 / 79.9
Japan - 3.2 / 81.4
New Zealand - 5.7 / 79.0
Norway - 3.6 / 79.7
Poland - 7.1 / 75.2
Portugal - 4.9 / 77.9
Spain - 4.3 / 79.8
Sweden - 2.8 / 80.6
Switzerland 4.3 / 80.6
United Kingdom - 5.0 / 78.7

http://alessonaday.wordpress.com/2007/06/19/sicko-list-of-commie-pinko-countries-with-universal-health-care-socialized-medicine/

[Learning Nomad]

18. I dunno. Do they? Is it relevant?

I am simply pointing out that the OP's post was BS. That's pretty much undisputed.

[Contrary1]

19. Why was it BS? All he did was post a link...

You took it from there.

And yeah, I think life expectancy rates are relevant.

[immoderate]

22. Undisputed?

If you don't count all the posts that are disputing you. :crazy:

--imm

[Spazito]

23. LOL! "undisputed"???

Ummm, "I do not think it means what you think it means."

:rofl: