maynard
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:03 PM
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If we go back to the original intent of the framers of the Constitution |
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.....What will we loose?
1. Medicare 2. Medicaid 3. Social Security 4. Women's right to vote 5. Women's right to own property 6. Any rights of women that we have earned since the framing of the constitution
Let's add to this list.......
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:05 PM
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Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 09:07 PM by parasim
but it's "lose" not "loose". just sayin'
on edit: not trying to be a spelling nazi, but that one particularly irks me... my apologies.
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maynard
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:08 PM
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5. thanks for the correction.... |
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I am tired and not thinking straight......But, I still want Health Care Reform.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:06 PM
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2. The Emancipation Proclamation, the Civil Rights Act of 1964. |
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:07 PM
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3. Yeah, but we'd gain slavery. That' pretty much what our privately owned |
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prisons are doing now anyway.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:56 PM
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16. The owners of our country don't want slavery. |
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they had to feed and house their slaves and pay for their "health care."
They'd much prefer a return to sharecroppery.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:59 PM
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18. Good point. That and an off-shorerery. nt |
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:07 PM
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4. 7. lose free black people |
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8. we'd lose the Army (Founders were against standing army) 9. lose fire protection (Founders silent, fire protection was private in those days) 10. lose police (no police in those days; catch your own criminals)
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:11 PM
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environmetal protections,
food and drug safety,
the space program,
the National Institutes of health and all of the advances in health care they have facilitated.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:12 PM
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Return of slavery and indentured servitude Food & Drug Administration - everything they do Department of Agriculture - Assistance to farmers NASA - no satellites for communications, weather monitoring, scientific missions, spy satellites NOAA - no weather forecasts or predictions FCC - no regulations over communications or assignment of frequency bands for standardization of TV, radio and communications equipment CDC - no monitoring of illnesses or ability to prepare for outbreaks, no advanced warning so there is production of vaccines
That's all I can come up with right now.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:18 PM
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Edited on Thu Aug-13-09 09:18 PM by frogcycle
ok, off point, just having fun
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Thu Aug-13-09 10:02 PM
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20. That's not that far off point |
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I was going to say that and not take it back. Of course it has to be done right with the rich paying their fair share.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:27 PM
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9. African Americans will count as only 5/6 of a man & Slavery will be back. |
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:57 PM
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:28 PM
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:40 PM
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11. I think you misunderstand original intent. |
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Original intend doesn't mean the Constitution can't be changed.
Slavery for example was abolished by an amendment and the Constitution was designed to be amended. No scholar considers original intent to "bring back slavery" or "preventing women from voting".
No the founders INTENDED the Constitution to be amended and once amended the amended version is what is binding.
So the founders intent for example on the 3/5th compromise is no longer relevant because of the 14th amendment.
Where original intent applies is to parts of the Constitution not amended like the interstate commerce clause, or full faith and credit clause.
Take the 2nd for example. IF we passed an amendment changing the second (limiting it or repealing it completely) then the amended version is what matters and in 1000 years legal scholars may be looking at the original intent circa 2009 when the 28th amendment to the United State Constitution radically redefined the 2nd. The "original" original intent is no longer valid because the 2nd has been redefined in the 28th. What is relevent is the intent in 2009 behind the wording of the 28th.
Until that happens the original intent circa 1776 is what matter because it hasn't been modified.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:43 PM
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14. and that is also correct |
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:53 PM
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15. I was referring to what protesters have been saying |
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They want the constitution to be back to what the founders originally wrote into it. There were many amendments added that were added to clarify their original intent. These were done long after the framers had died.... Laws were later passed to clarify..... I have a lot of crazy friends who need help with their "original intent of the constitution...as the framers wrote it."
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:42 PM
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12. Actually the original intent includes common welfare |
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see Medicare, Social Security and the rest of the social net we have, or used to have.
Now women's rights... the idiots who push this don't realize many of them good ol' white males would not be able to vote either... not property owners...
Ah the irony. Pointed this to one just the other day... he ahem. got a lot whiter.
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Thu Aug-13-09 09:42 PM
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13. I say we go back to Plutarch and Pliny. |
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Thu Aug-13-09 10:01 PM
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19. What the losertarians don't understand is that there was no such thing as "health care" in the 1770s |
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You really think Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin would call providing quality health care to all "tyranny"? I really doubt it....after all, Franklin founded the first public hospital. That socialist.
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