Two irrevocable turning points...

[leftofthedial]

When Obama (was it during his inaugural, or just five minutes later?) announced that single-payer was not an option--any hope for real REFORM died.

When Reid announced that there would be no vote before the August recess--any hope for even a minor step forward DIED.


health care? we lost. move on.

[blue neen]

1. nope.

[babylonsister]

2. There's that team spirit! I knew I could count on you!

:eyes:

[scheming daemons]

3. Your first sentence is a blatant lie

Obama, throughout the ENTIRE campaign, said that single-payer wasn't part of his plan.

Your first sentence is an attempt to paint him as flip-flopping on the issue. He did not.

During his ENTIRE time as senator, and during the ENTIRE 18-month Presidential campaign, Obama clearly indicated that single-payer was not going to be part of his plan.


If you went into the voting booth thinking that Obama was for a single-payer system, then you ignored his campaign platform and the many times he outlined his healthcare proposals.


Don't get pissed because you failed to pay attention.

[leftofthedial]

9. I never said it was the *first* time he said it, now did I?

[jannyk]

4. I totally agree k&r nt

[Greyhound]

5. I'd put the turning point at his meeting after the 2004 DNC speech.

"... Any questions?
Only one, what's my agenda?" - Bill Hicks
:kick: & R

[babylonsister]

6. Jeeze. Get over yourself. This isn't idiot son, and nothing has been

determined yet.

But let's panic.

I love your resolve. Or would, if I'd ever seen it.

[leftofthedial]

11. My resolve is fine. I've been solid as a rock.

I just disagree with you.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

7. Oh brother.

:eyes:

[Birthmark]

8. As has been pointed out...

...Obama's position was clearly stated on his campaign website. I knew that he wasn't for single-payer long before I even voted for him. So I'm not surprised in the least.

I am a bit surprised on his weakness in dealing with the issue, though.

[leftofthedial]

10. I never said he changed his strong commitment to the insurance corporations.

He's clearly been a corporatist first and foremost for his entire national career. But when he said it *as President*, any hope for real reform was clearly dead.

[SeattleGirl]

12. Oy.