Do you agree - any Democrat who fails to support Obama's plan on health care reform should be primar

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primaried?

[Demeter]

1. Any Democrat Who Doesn't Fight for Single Payer Should Be Challenged

All they have to do is lower the age for Medicare eligibility by 5 years every year for the next 10. No mess, no pork, no scamming. Keep your insurance (if you have it) or go Medicare. Simple, effective, safe, and cheap and it does the job!


And yes, I include the President in that challenge.

[dflprincess]

2. +1

[BlooInBloo]

4. "All they have to do"

:rofl:

[ThomWV]

7. +2

[Kaleva]

33. +3

[NYC_SKP]

3. Yes, but let's be proactive and give them Fair Warning. Letters, calls, faxes.

I've done my part already.

DU yours (everyone)!

[TheCoxwain]

5. Other .. they should be denied an opportunity to run in the primary .

[kenny blankenship]

6. "Obama's plan on health care reform"

What IS that? Seriously.
If President Obama has a plan it is not in front of either house of Congress.
I am ALL in favor of punishing Democrats like Baucus and Conrad who are shilling for the insurance corps, but if we are drawing lines in the sand let us draw them over actually existing plans. Let us draw them over POLICIES not personalities. Conversely we should support actual plans for the policies they contain, not because it will be construed as good or bad for the PERSONALITIES we like or dislike.

I am not in favor of the Obama Bill, for the simple reason that there is no such thing. I think it is absurd to talk of holding people to imaginary standards. I am in favor of Single Payer. I could accept a lame assed "reform" that included the so-called Public Option, as long as the public was ACTUALLY going to be allowed to opt-in to it. Less than that and I think the saboteurs responsible should be primaried. All of them. And if primarying them doesn't work, I am in favor of generaling them.

[nashville_brook]

10. yeah -- i haven't seen an "Obama" health care plan.

[closeupready]

12. Something which reasonably resembles what he promised in his own primary.

No mandates, a public option.

[Walk away]

13. +1

[closeupready]

8. wow.

I didn't expect such a noisy response, but I'm heartened by it. :)

[Sebastian Doyle]

9. If you cannot support (at the very least) a TRUE Public Option, you are NOT a Democrat

Primary them out. And if you live in a state such as Connecticut where they can pull a Lieberman and create fictional parties to get around a primary loss, get those laws changed (like they are in most other states)

[western mass]

11. Opposing reform isn't conservative, it's CORRUPT

and I refuse to accept corrupt politicians in my party - even if that means temporarily having NO democrat in that seat.

[Hutzpa]

14. This should not even be a discussion

should be a done deal.

[Better Believe It]

15. So what's President Obama's plan? And did you mean health insurance reform?

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16. The president's plan includes a public option and no mandates. And no, I meant what I said,

Health care reform.

At a minimum.

[Buzz Clik]

17. Is "primary" a verb?

:shrug:

If it is, will someone please define it?

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18. Assuming that all here are committed to voting "Democratic" in the general,

to primary someone means to successfully run a Democratic opponent against a Democratic incumbent for their seat.

Duh. :eyes:

[Buzz Clik]

21. Ah. Thank you for the definition. I believe that ALL incumbents need to be dumped.

I see very few exceptions for this, regardless of their loyalty to Obama.

(And take your "Duh. :eyes:" and shove it where the sun don't shine. It is not my responsibility to divine the definition of words or word usages that do not exist. :hi: :))

[closeupready]

25. No problem, friend.

:) :D

[Posteritatis]

26. Verbing weirds language. (nt)

[Buzz Clik]

28. Your truthing awesomes me.

[Dogtown]

36. New word usage only becomes accepted

after new phrases are coined. The usage as a verb is very clear in the OP.

I know you're not actually that thick, so why the feigned shock? Couldn't think of a *real* objection?

[closeupready]

19. I love watching this duel of recs/unrecs going on here.

:rofl:

[Bucky]

23. I believe that's exactly why the feature was installed.

Democracy, even when it's underground, has to be an adversarial system.

[WeDidIt]

20. As long as they vote for cloture, I don't care

Cloture in the Senate is all I care about.

[Bucky]

22. As a rule, I don't like single-issue based primary challenges to incumbent. But here...

This is THE issue that the government faces today. Someone who won't vote to expand health care coverage to all Americans isn't doing his job as a government official.

[StreetKnowledge]

24. Yes. Unquestionably.

People like Bacchus and Nelson need to pay for their newest crime against the Americans dying because of heartless health insurance companies.

For me, it's single payer. NOTHING less.

[onestepforward]

27. No doubt... Yes. n/t

[rhett o rick]

29. Talk is tough but the treat of "primarying" a Democrat is hollow.

Post after post talk the tough talk, but no one that I have found so far will explain to me how that will happen.

Until we get some kind of plan on how exactly we primary an incumbent Democrat we might as well quit threatening.

Explain how you will find someone to run against an incumbent, it is political suicide. The Democratic Party will support the incumbent all the way at all levels. In the case of Lieberman, even when he ran against a Democrat, many of the powerful Democrats favored him.

Yes Sestak will run against Sen Specter and I wish him the best, but that's only one so far. How many Dem's need to be primaried.

If you donate money to the Democratic Party it will go to Sen Specter and not Sestak. No Democratic Party money will go to primary anyone.

And big business will shun the challenger and give their money to the incumbent.

I am in favor, but we must start now and put together a plan to walk the walk. Plenty of talk.

For example, maybe PDA or moveon will support primary challengers. We need their commitment and then fund them.

[stray cat]

30. How many voting yes plan to send in donations for hopeless primary challenges?

If someone is popular in their state - a primary challenger is a joke and a waste of money. So please donate more to cover the extra expenses for irrelevant primary challengers.

[Hippo_Tron]

31. Depends on whether or not the bill passes with a strong public option

[bemildred]

32. That is what primaries are for. nt

[BlooInBloo]

34. Actually, the "true progressive" thing to do is be AGAINST Obama, not FOR.

[Kaleva]

35. I don't know Obama's plan, I support John Conyers Jr.'s plan