vick getting a job is the PERFECT ending to this

[backwoodsbob]

I can't believe some of the stuff I've read about this since I got home.Aren't we supposed to be the side that believes that once a convict has served his punishment he be allowed and ENCOURAGED to become a productive member of society?

To those who say he shouldn't be allowed to play in the NFL...what do you want to do? Set up ex-con committees that will tell people as they are freed what jobs they can and cant do?I thought I was on a progressive board.

As for me I am divided on if he was punished enough but his sentence is what it is...he served and is now free and who the hell are we to tell this man he can't work in the profession he has worked all his life?

[redqueen]

1. I fully expect the ex-con job committees idea to be taken seriously...

and championed.

[Codeine]

2. Playing football is not "productive."

He can lay concrete, or frame houses, or be a plumber. That's useful.

[EFerrari]

3. I hate this guy but you're right. He did his time, he apologized

and he has to make a living just like anyone else.

[awoke_in_2003]

39. it irks me...

but as you say, he did his time. Just as long as he never does this again. Thankfully, however, the Steelers didn't get him, because then I would be in a real quandary.

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[texastoast]

5. Oh, I do believe that he has paid his due

I just will boycott the team and any of their advertisers.

[redqueen]

6. Fair enough... at least you're not calling for him to be tortured...

or whatever other dumbass crap people have been saying.

[backwoodsbob]

8. thats a fair response and I'm sure MANY will

I just don't believe we have a right to deny the man jobs we don't deem *correct* in our eyes.

The man did his time.

Myself...I can't stand people who push drugs on teens...yet we have a guy at work who served a LONG time for dealing and he dealed to teens.Do I have a right to go to management and demand he not be allowed to work because I hate what he did? Of course not.

[greguganus]

36. I just got an email from PepsiCo & apparently they don't give a shit if they are boycotted.

The NFL has said that Mr. Vick has been reinstated to the league on a conditional basis and will be considered for full reinstatement in October based on the progress he makes in his transition plan. As sponsors of the NFL, we have the utmost confidence that the senior leadership at the NFL will continue to appropriately address this issue.

Once again, many thanks for contacting us and please be assured that your comments have been shared with the appropriate individuals within the Company.


Pepsi Consumer Relations

[texastoast]

40. No Petsi for me

[hamsterjill]

7. Some things are simply unforgivable

Vick has served his time. He's been re-hired to play for an NFL team.

Do I like that? No. Not at all. I think he could have been gainfully employed in some other capacity. To me, the idea of an ex-con returning to sports icon status is just too foreign.

Do I have to accept that this has happened? Yes, unfortunately.

To me, the reflection is on the NFL for actually being willing to hire him again. For example - what if a banker had been convicted of embezzling money from a bank where he was employed, served his sentence, and then asked to be rehired - the world would be laughing at the boldness of the banker for even thinking he could be rehired.

And while Vick isn't a banker, he failed miserably as a sports icon. When those NFL players put on the jersey and play the game, the unspoken (yet well understood) rule is that the players become "heroes" for youngsters to look up to. And with those exorbitant salaries go certain responsibilities. Certain privileges. And certain obligations. Vick failed miserably at that component of his employment. And although I am NO sports trivia expert, if memory serves me correctly, there were already issues with Michael Vick BEFORE the dogfighting sentence.

Now, he's being invited back to that same employment? I don't think that reflects well on the NFL. Vick's reinstatement only serves to prove to me that it's ALL about the money. Doesn't matter what the ideals are.

If you've seen any video of the dogs that were taken from Vick's operations, you cannot possibly tell me that ANY sentence would be enough to erase the crime that this individual committed. It's about the fact that Vick ENJOYED hurting things.

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. +1

If you've seen any video of the dogs that were taken from Vick's operations, you cannot possible tell me that ANY sentence would be enough to erase the crime that this individual committed. It's about the fact that Vick ENJOYED hurting things.


Exactly right!

[backwoodsbob]

10. read what I said

I said I'm divided on whether he was punished enough...a few here know me and know I'm a dog lover.I have shepperds and my wifes parson russel and we work with PAWS regularly...few here love dogs more than me.My original shepperds were BOTH rescues as is my wifes terrier...she literally got the terrier minutes before they were going to euthanize her.ALL my shepperds are descendants of the original rescues.I have come on here and asked for people to help PAWS because they are a great organization and work so hard here to help with shots and spay/neutering for low income in my area.

That doesn't change the fact that his sentence was served and he has a right to pursue any job he wishes

[SammyWinstonJack]

11. I don't care how he makes a living. I really don't. I think he shouldn't be a 'role' model which

which is what we are told professional athletes are, right? Because what he did and only stopped doing when he was caught, is not 'role' model material, is it? Personally I think he is scum. And not worthy of the national attention he is getting and will continue to get.


Congrats on your rescues and rescue work! :thumbsup:

[backwoodsbob]

12. I've never once considered any athlete a *role model*

A professional athlete is simply someone who does that job really well

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. I don't either but I have heard it plenty of times.

:shrug:

[Mari333]

15. glad i dont like sports

it will be easy to ignore him completely, the scumbag.

[SammyWinstonJack]

18. +1 nt

[LanternWaste]

27. professional athletes are de-facto community leaders...

Like it or not, professional athletes are de-facto community leaders. It's part and parcel of the job.

[texastoast]

16. You just broadened my boycott--the whole asinine NFL

That's very easy for me. I'm sure it won't be for some.

And their little advertisers too!

[butterfly77]

34. So what should his punishment be?

[hamsterjill]

41. If it had been up to me?

If it had been up to me to dish out his punishment? You can bet that it would have been much more severe than the slap on the wrist that he received. He would still be in the joint thinking about what he did if I'd had any say in his punishment, and he would have been there a LONG time to think about what he did.

There is a direct correlation between animal cruelty and how that action eventually translates to humans.

And do I think for one minute that Vick is truly remorseful? No way, no how. There are already stories circulating about how he's been sarcastic within his inner circle about having to be involved with the Humane Society. He's not sorry for what he did. He's only sorry that he got caught.

As the way things stand now, I can only hope that there will be some "justice" administered on the grid iron by some other football players who happen to understand the value of the companionship of a pet. Football injuries happen quite often, you know.

[qanda]

14. They want him to end up homeless and knocking old ladies over the head for their purses

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. Really? He almost made himself homeless by his actions. Didn't he lose $100 mil?

:eyes: He brought this on himself. No one twisted his arm. :shrug:


If his return to the NFL doesn't work out, maybe old ladies should hide their purses. :silly:

[flvegan]

19. Yeah, but then you SHOT a dog earlier this year and bragged about it.

So coming from you, the opinion fades.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. He did?

:wow:

[flvegan]

21. He claims to have

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=8665082&mesg_id=8665413

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. .

:yoiks:

[backwoodsbob]

38. of course he leaves out the details

I was the THIRD person the dog had attacked..he had me down biting me in the face..I got plenty of pain and some stitches from that dog.
The owner wouldn't cage or leash the dog and there are 4 children who live on this hill so I shot the dog.I won't apologize for it

[flvegan]

45. I linked to your thread.

I didn't leave shit out. Yeah, 6 stitches...he was really trying to take your head off. Butcher.

[backwoodsbob]

32. I did

[LostInAnomie]

23. Are we supposed to be happy that a man who drowned and electrocuted dogs got a $1.6M job?

Let's not gloss over what he did. He murdered dogs in the most brutal ways possible. He drowned dogs. He electrocuted dogs. He threw smaller weaker dogs into cages with pit-bulls to be ripped apart for "training". He hosted fights where dogs that had been beaten and starved were forced to fight to the death while he cheered and profited. And, for all of this he received 23 months and was released early for "good behavior".

Apologists can claim that he "did his time", but that is only because the law hasn't caught up to the horrible nature of his crimes. Vick is the beneficiary of this injustice. And, now we're supposed to cheer him on and welcome him back to society because he's a "reformed criminal". Fuck that.

He can pay all the bullshit lip service he wants to try to convince us of his contrition. He can throw his token money to "good causes" for PR. He can act like he's reformed for a big contract. But, none of it is worth a damn. He's a monster and a sociopath, and he should not be welcomed back.

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. +1

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[QC]

25. Apparently you're not a real liberal if you don't think this this sociopath

should be welcomed back into society with open arms and $1,600,000.

At least that's what I'm reading on DU today.

It's amazing what has happened to this place, isn't it?

[SammyWinstonJack]

26. It is amazing. nt

[Strong Atheist]

43. Agreed. nt.

[TexasObserver]

28. No, the perfect ending would be for Vick to "dog fight" Sarah Palin.

She, being the pit bull with lip stick and all. They could both bare their teeth, attack each other, do what fighting dogs in a pit do.


More perfect: have it at a Michael Jackson fan function

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. .

:evilgrin:

[Strong Atheist]

44. !

:rofl:

[proteus_lives]

30. The "perfect ending" for Vick will be this:

He plays one or three games in the NFL before some huge defensive player with beloved pets snaps his leg in half during a tackle. Then he's taken off the field screaming and crying to the general amusement of the stadium crowd. The owners tear up the contract of this useless player and say to him. "Count yourself lucky you're not a fighting dog Vick. Or we'd just put you down."

[SammyWinstonJack]

37. +1 nt

[KittyWampus]

31. The NFL should have an Ethics Clause. They play in taxpayer subsidized stadiums.

Vick and the rest of the arrested development losers in the League should be shit-out-of0lcuk

[redqueen]

35. Great idea!

That is entirely reasonable.

[butterfly77]

33. I heard some silly assed woman on cnn..

complaining that he signed for the eagles,she also is said that she thinks he will never be rehabilitated as though dog fighting is some type of addiction. She and some others sound stupid do they really think he doesn't deserve to make a living?

[Hippo_Tron]

42. Yea but it involves hurting animals and the guy was previously rich

Lots of progressive conflict on this one.