ROVE, GONZALES FACING PROSECUTION

[kpete]

ROVE, GONZALES FACING PROSECUTION: EXPERT

AMY GOODMAN: So we’re talking about criminal prosecution?

DAVID IGLESIAS: Exactly. And as I understand it, the special counsel, who’s the acting US attorney in Connecticut, she’s looking at possible perjury charges against Gonzales and possible obstruction of justice charges against other members, including possibly Wilson and Pete Domenici.


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Democracy Now!'s Amy Goodman talked to Iglesias on Thursday, along with noted New York attorney Scott Horton.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/13/all_roads_lead_to_rove_fmr

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While there were no big surprises for Iglesias in the newly revealed documents, he was taken aback at how early on the complaints started coming in. "I'm looking at a copy of an email dating back to June of 2005 from Scott Jennings, who worked for Karl Rove, and he writes to Tim Griffin, another staffer for Rove, 'I would really like to move forward ... getting rid of (the New Mexico U.S. Attorney). I was with codel'—which I think is 'congressional delegation'—'this morning, and they are really angry over his lack of action (over the) voter fraud stuff. Iglesias has done nothing. We are getting killed out there."

Iglesias referred to this email as "the smoking gun."

Well, that tells me that—I mean, that is the smoking gun. I failed to file non-provable voter fraud cases, and that was, in large measure, the reason for my removal. They wanted me to file politically advantageous prosecutions, which United States attorneys cannot do legally. And, you know, that set the ball into motion.

Scott Horton weighed in: "David is coming exactly to the right focus in the end. I mean, was it unethical? Yes. Clearly it was the violation of rules. Was it inappropriate? That’s all clear. We're coming down to the question of, was it a crime? And specifically, did it involve an effort to corruptly influence a pending criminal prosecution?

"And I think it's clear that the evidence that's being assembled now, particularly in the New Mexico case, moves this into the area of a colorable prosecution involving Domenici, Heather Wilson—whose testimony, by the way, and statements are viewed by many of the investigators as highly evasive and unlikely—and also Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales ... who had a general failure of recollection about all of this."

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more:
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/08/a-political-fragging/

[Qutzupalotl]

1. This particular offense is rather tame compared to

outing a CIA agent or authorizing torture... but I'll take it!

[Name removed]

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[BlooInBloo]

2. Wow. Jason Leopold must get around.

[tridim]

3. "FOX Analyst Idicted" would make a nice headline

I still think Rove is going to squeal. He's much more fragile than he leads us to believe.

[The Doctor.]

7. You believed otherwise?

Nope; pasty dough-boy was never tough.

[jhrobbins]

52. I happen to think he's a BOQ - big ole qu..n

[The Doctor.]

55. I happen to have that notion as well...

Struck me that way a few times.

[George II]

72. Rove is a scumbag, but what if he is what you suggest? Does that make a difference?

[Stuart G]

66. Boy, a squealing Rove...on who??? I wonder who????nt

[DCKit]

67. spelling dear.

idacted - redacted or indicted? Make it clear.... we're not FReepers.

[olegramps]

68. I would love to see Rove in prison with a horny jail mate.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. Where is the big story here?

This was an interview Iglesias gave a couple of days ago, and it's simply his opinion. I think it was on Countdown.

That subject line is hysterical and misleading.

Who said "Jason Leopold"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!

[kpete]

5. ouch

kp

[BlooInBloo]

6. Just you wait. When "24 business hours" are up, you'll be sorry!

:rofl:

[kpete]

8. i will prepare myself

http://thumb1.visualizeus.com/thumbs/08/12/05/band,aid,peace,symbol,symbolic,visual,metaphor-0a1b34462204e0129df334d672bba433_m.jpg
kp

[Tangerine LaBamba]

9. Let's all shut down

our downtown DC law offices, and make sure the Secret Service has the building barricaded, so that all the personal business can be put in order.

We've only got 24 business hours, so let's get hopping, kids.................................

[BlooInBloo]

10. Indeed - 2 years isn't nearly as long as it looks on paper.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

11. 2 BUSINESS years,

you mean. Right?

[BlooInBloo]

13. Something like that. I'm not sure I can make shit up as fast as Leopold-types can.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

14. Do you have any idea

why that clown is still being paid to write?

[BlooInBloo]

15. Because he's a "true progressive".

[Tangerine LaBamba]

17. Oh.........

The people who pay him are morons.

Got it.

Thanks.......................

[BlooInBloo]

18. Funny watching people rec this, though. It's like deja vu all over again.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. Holy SHIT!!!!

Are we the only ones here who understand what's going on?

Are we the only ones here who remember the Fitzgerald farce/fantasy?

How long before that photoshop of Rove being hauled out in handcuffs show up again?

Recommending this? I never even ................ wow.

I'm scared now, Bloo.

Hold me. Please...........................

[BlooInBloo]

23. Heh. I just noticed it myself. Hold on - looks like we're being taken for another ride.

[spanone]

12. k&r

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[mod mom]

16. I hope so, but my heart has been broken so many times.

[kpete]

20. me too...

mine too.
kp

[rhett o rick]

19. Grab their passports. nm

[rhett o rick]

21. Wouldn't it be ironic if Gonzo or Rover would have an accident in a small plane?

Not sayin I wish any harm on them, just be ironic.

[ProudDad]

59. Or that special Jack Ruby, Wild Bill Casey "brain tumor" (n/t)

[AlinPA]

24. It will never happen. Politics.

[kpete]

25. I should say, I have actually met Jason,

I had tea with him in his beautiful LA garden. I was born in LA, so it was cool, he was great, human.

peace, kp

[Tangerine LaBamba]

26. I would never cast aspersions on him as a human being -

I have no experience or knowledge of his personal life, and, besides, it's none of my business.

As a so-called "journalist," he's a liar, unethical, and self-aggrandizing. That he's still on anyone's payroll is beyond me.

Just my opinion of his work product.......................

[kpete]

27. why did you even bring up Jason

AMY GOODMAN is my source - is she on your list?
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/13/all_roads_lead_to_rove_fmr

[Tangerine LaBamba]

28. Another poster brought him up,

and I replied.

Because the OP is old news, and there's absolutely nothing in the quoted matter that says that anyone's going to be indicted, sooner or later.

It's very reminiscent, though, of the hysteria that surrounded Leopold's "reporting" of the any-moment-now "sealed indictment" of Karl Rove when Patrick Fitzgerald was investigating the Plame matter.

His "reporting" was one set of lies after another, each one more absurd than the last. He made it all up, and so, when allegations that contain no substance, such as the OP are made, it reminds DUers - as it did, and to which I responded - of Jason Leopold.

That's the reputation he's earned for himself................................

[kpete]

30. mho

I enjoyed tea with him, very much.

kp

[Tangerine LaBamba]

33. I'm glad you did,

and, as I stated very clearly, my contentions with the person are not personal.....................

[BlooInBloo]

29. I'm the one who first brought him up. And I did so because of the stupid-obvious resemblance...

of your OP to Leopold telling everyone that Rove had been indicted, and then lying to our faces about "24 business hours".

And then the fail journalistic no-integrity of not outing his sources who had bamboozled him (if in fact he was bamboozled).

And you link a days-old discussion between two folks, neither of them who are in a position to know, and you breathlessly talk about Rove facing prosecution. Sorry - ROVE FACING PROSECUTION.

I can completely believe that you know Leopold.

Let me know if you have any further questions about why I said what I said.

[kpete]

31. oh shit

DU is turning on kpete

[BlooInBloo]

32. Nah - you're fine. Just this particular OP blows.

[kpete]

35. sorry, was it the caps that got you?

i realized pretty quick it would dissappoint, but i needed a kick in the but today,
thanks,
kpete

[BlooInBloo]

37. Nah - the caps just exacerbated the underlying problem, which I detailed above.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

34. No way -

you asked.

We answered, and it's all been real civil and friendly and polite.

Right?

[kpete]

36. left,

mostly

[bleever]

40. Get her!

Honestly, kpete, I appreciate reading everything about this from every angle. Thanks for posting it.

I got to meet Amy Goodman, and she seemed very nice too.

:hi:

[druidity33]

51. what's that

that ignored said? Sometimes the whole ignore thing stinks...


:)

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

71. I've noticed what you're talking about

I don't think it's fatal.

I don't understand it but I feel something lately.

It will pass. When Justice opens the door and the counts are read these people who un-rec your threads will be gone
or searching for your scoop.


:pals:

[BlooInBloo]

75. Yah! Jason Leopold will be proved right!!!

:rofl:

EDIT: Link the indictment, else there's no story - just people making shit up.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

78. I wasn't even referring

to Jason or this particular thread as you can see, there are many Rec's.

What is your issue anyway?

[sabrina 1]

60. A friend of mine who is a very good reporter herself

knew him and interviewed him several times. She believed him. We still do not know what happened. We do know he never gave up his sources, which many believe was what those who went after him, really wanted to know.

[Demeter]

38. Yes! Now That's More Like It! Let the Games Begin

This is better than Christians vs. Lions :popcorn:

[abq e streeter]

39. Not holding my breath, but the dream of Heather and "St. Pete" being indicted and convicted

would almost make my entire pathetic little life have all been worth it. Slime; both of em . (one bit of hesitancy about being too "bloodthirsty" here: I 've taught 2 of Pete's grandchildren, who were absolutely wonderful kids, but hey , if grampa's a criminal, then he's gotta pay the price). And I also have seen too many "now we got em" moments to have much faith in anything happening to these 2 ,along with anyone but maybe a few patsy underlings of the greater Bush criminal organization , and we'll be lucky to get even that what with the "let's move forward and allow the bastards who shit on the constitution to get away with everything " attitude of the new administration. But damn, if this somehow really happened, it would be mighty sweet here in New Mexico where Domenici actually is referred to as St Pete, and not sarcastically either. He's worshipped by many almost like a local Reagan. Not that Rove and Gonzalez wouldn't be even more sweet, but just looking at this from a local angle.Everyone whose eyes and ears have been open,know what obvious criminals Rove and Gonzalez are, but I just don't have a handle on how well known Wilson and Domenici are outside of NM. But trust me, all you Duers back in civilization, they're SLIME.

[salguine]

41. I just want to laugh wearily. The likelihood of Rove or Gonzales ever being held to account

for their crimes is about as great as the likelihood of Ali Larter showing up at my door wearing only a towel and asking if she can use my shower. I wish I were wrong, but I see no reason to think anyone from the previous administration will ever pay for their crimes.

[The Wizard]

64. Neither Rove nor Gonzalez

nor any of the higher echelon of the cartel will ever give testimony of any consequence. Before that happens the cartel's enforcers will deal with them accordingly.

[BlooInBloo]

76. Well duh. She's at my door.

:P

[Kablooie]

42. They are totally immune to any prosecution of any kind. Don't know why but they are.

[Thickasabrick]

43. Ahhh, my dream of Rove in orange being frog marched......so close

never happen

[kayakjohnny]

44. In your defense, kpete, I do like the way this part reads....

and I might've titled my post like you did because of it.....


From Scott Horton:



And I think it’s clear that the evidence that’s being assembled now, particularly in the New Mexico case, moves this into the area of a colorable prosecution involving Domenici, Heather Wilson, whose testimony, by the way, and statements are viewed by many of the investigators as highly evasive and unlikely, and also Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales—Alberto Gonzales, who had a general failure of recollection about all of this.


So I think it’s possible. These things are being studied. But there’s never been a prosecution of this sort before. That is, we’re dealing with a criminal prosecution that was actually brought. This was an effort to influence the timing of the indictment to make it before the election to influence an election. Most legal scholars agree that, yes, in theory, that counts as obstruction of justice, that’s something that could be charged, but there’s no precedent for such a prosecution.

[barbtries]

45. Please let it be!

i want to see justice in my lifetime. somewhere somehow

[beac]

46. That is one BEAUTIFUL headline! n/t

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

47. Karl Rove

Should have a large inmate as his cellmate.

[jhrobbins]

54. No, no , no - that is his fantasy-if you want to really punish him, put him in a women's prison

[George II]

48. To borrow a Texas/Wyoming expression: "Git 'er done!!!"

[mckara]

49. Prosecute! Prosecute! Prosecute!

[hulka38]

50. I think I hate Heather Wilson. Is that wrong?

[Soylent Brice]

53. K&R

[defendandprotect]

56. Thank you -- I missed this!

[Vidar]

58. I hope so,but remain skeptical.

[luigimom]

61. Rove in orange jumpsuit?

Is anyone surprised?  Only that they ever found the
evidence...  While it is really late, it will in a way do my
heart good to see yet another of that group have to pay - even
though the potential charges in no way address the damage Bush
and his minions wreaked on the country and the world.  

[Hubert Flottz]

62. No Mercy For Swine

Give Gonzo some quality time to remember all those crooked things he forgot about. About 99 years should do it.

I'd send Karl and Gonzo to Gitmo if I was the judge! Put them out on the yard with the other thugs and criminals down there who "want to destroy our country and all it stands for."

[Echo In Light]

63. Rec

[indimuse]

65. K*R n/t

[Piewhacket]

69. NO Doubt-Rove and gang should face fed prosecution for obstruction...

These is NO doubt at all in my mind the Rove and his gang crossed
the line, motivated by political purposes and responding to pressure
they conspired and actually did, in violation of federal law,
interfered with DOJ investigations. Yet the Obama administration
has shown little stomach for these prosecutions and it seems doubtful
these will be pursued at all, much less with necessary vigor.

But what we can really know and count on is that the froth-wing WILL,
when they reemerge to power, fanatically legally prosecute baseless POLITICAL
accusations with the same ferocity they successfully applied in the
early 90s (ie clinton impeachment) to set up the last 8 years.

They WILL eventually repeat that SUCCESSFUL formula of fear and froth mongering
of an clueless base to regain power, dismantle democratic institutions, and loot.

So we know where the repukes stand, we know where Obama stands, We know where WE (DU)
stand. So isn't the real question we need to be asking is what the hell we intend
to DO about what WE want.

Prosecute.

[The Wizard]

70. "Moderation in the pursuit fo justice

is no virtue."
(Barry Goldwater)

[myrna minx]

73. K&R n/t

[Swede Atlanta]

74. It's something........

If we can prosecute these two criminals for their terrible assaults upon our democracy and hope they each end up with a "Big Bubba" boyfriend, I can sleep more comfortably at night.

We will need to get Rummy, Condi, Darth and GW. If I were to choose my pecking order I would go for Darth, Darth, Darth.

[City Lights]

77. As much as I'd love to see them prosecuted, I'm not holding my breath. nt