There seems to be no moral imperative about health insuring everyone

[divideandconquer]

Is this a lack of leadership and/or courage from the President and and our other elected leaders? Is the corporate ownership of our nation so complete that politics is just so much "studio wrestling" to placate the masses and nothing can be done? Is this another example of a small majority of Americans saying "I've got mine and screw everyone else". Where are the churches and civil rights organizations?

Where's the outrage?

[Mojambo]

1. Profit is the sole imperative in this country and it always will be. n/t

[magellan]

2. The moral imperative in this country is directed by the right

...which claims you're on your own. Unless I decide to donate to you or an organization that can help you.

But first I have to test your patriotic credentials and income.

[tj2001]

3. But there is a moral imperative to insure beach front properties

and rebuild them again and again with taxpayer-funded disaster relief

[timeforpeace]

4. Where did everyone get the idea that this would be what they so wanted? When has that ever happened?

[ipaint]

5. Human sacrifices are essential to incremental reform.

You must desensitize, dehumanize yourself in order to accept this.
This is accomplished by making sure the all important comfortable middle class can smell the horror, desperation and death that will be knocking at their door next should they not settle for less.

[MisterP]

7. how dare you say that settling for less is the best of two evils!

it's a noble Platonic ideal, shining behind everything we do: centrism is in tune with the nature of life itself! it's not created by mortals, but existed before the Big Bang! when I look at Shuler, the Nelsons, Feinstein, Specter, Rahm, I don't see a politician, I become one with the universe; I am with them as they smite the arrogant liberals, who believe that they can go against nature with their peace protests and Voting Rights Acts and minimum wages and taxes on the rich. and, since they're in the right party and are getting criticized by the Palinoids, I can rest assured that they're Fighting For Our Side and their Republican policies are just coincidental.
do you want the OTHER SIDE to win in 2010?! then shut up, hand over your votes and money, and never speak of reform again--because there'll always be an election we'll tell you is endangered by your criticism and threats to jump ship--and who else ya gonna vote for? Kang or Kodos, only two choices--because we keep telling you that
:sarcasm:

[stray cat]

6. Progressives don't believe in covering everyone - if there is no public option

why cover anyone or regulate insurance companies. Strange...

[ipaint]

8. The strongest public option to emerge so far leaves millions uninsured.

“The proposal would ultimately reduce the uninsured population by roughly two-thirds, which would greatly attenuate the pressure to shift costs that arises today when uncompensated or undercompensated care is provided to people who lack health insurance.

http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/2009/07/cbo-affirms-hr-3200-provides-t.shtml

This thread is about the 1/3, approx 17 million human beings (8 million americans), who are sacrificed for something is better than nothing reform. Of course no one has asked them if it's better than nothing, they are already invisible because they are a weakness, a flaw in the middle class center right dogma that rules the day, actually the last 3 decades.

We will now have mythical insurance deadbeats just like we had mythical welfare queens for the center right to scapegoat when this whole charade comes crashing down.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Moral imperatives are easily trumped by political expediency and bribes.

[Fire1]

10. This reform has got to be sold as the smart, cost saving

thing to do rather than the right, moral thing to do. Churches and civil rights organizations will only put a moral spin on it and we need more than that to get it through. Appealing to the wallets of the general public is what will keep it afloat.