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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 10:38 PM Original message |
Can anybody explain to me the connection between public option and universal care? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Roughly: If you can't get/can't afford Big Insurance, then an affording public plan would be |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Then how in the hell can THAT compete with private insurance? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. You start from the wrong step of believing anything republicans/insurance companies say. |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. delete dupe |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I don't, but I don't see why we are talking about public private like the have the same mission. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. It isn't. It's to provide an alternative for those who'd otherwise be fined for not having private |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. to kneecap the insurance industry so they can't afford as many congresscritters next time we try? |
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dhpgetsit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. HR 676 is not dead. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. What will people here say if it fails? Sounds like everyone's ignoring 676 because they think |
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dhpgetsit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. Let's be clear. HR 676 is THE ONLY single-payer universal healthcare plan. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
8. Ok here's the deal |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Okay, so yeah, universal is bigger than public option, as I thought. +1 informative. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Were you thinking of Single Payer? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Single Payer is the opposite of Individual Mandate...it was designed to "stave off" single payer |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 10:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. England and Canada do things differently |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Screw both those options, sorry. Neither is a national health plan and both are fascistic |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 01:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. We need to be level headed here. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. That's funny |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. How is requiring people to purchase insurance supposed to make people's lives better? |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 01:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I will give you an anecdotal example. |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Exactly |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
9. Krugman wrote this in 2007: |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Good link, thanks! nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
12. You are absolutely correct -- they are two completely different questions. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. Universal coverage should mean that somehow you have access to |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-16-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. How else would it work (without single payer)? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. IMHO it doesn't without single payer. n/t |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-17-09 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
25. Sure. Universal Care is about health care, Public Option is about insurance |
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