stopbush
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:00 PM
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Poll question: Do You Believe Higher Justice Awaits the Lockerbie Bomber? |
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The pundits on MSNBC's Morning Meeting were opining that the Scottish court released this guy in part because he was going to die within three months, and that the court believes "higher justice" meted out by god was in the guy's immediate future (?) once he died.
Do you believe in such a concept?
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:03 PM
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1. I believe in human justice. This is also why seeing Bushco prosecuted is |
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:03 PM
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2. while i believe it's hogwash apparently this is a part of the scottish justice system |
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it is apparently not a rare or odd thing to release end stage terminal patients from prison
maybe it saves them money on health care costs, i dunno, but the stated reason is compassion
just because the prisoner is a terrible human being, does that mean that the judges and justices should be equally terrible?
mercy is considered a value in some societies, obviously not in america, but it is certainly valued in some other nations and apparently scotland is one of those
we are merciful for the benefit of our souls not necessarily the benefit of the other person's soul, if that makes sense?
i'm not saying i agree w. the decision, i'm just saying this looks to be the reasoning
i don't think scots are particularly religious
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:08 PM
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5. Thank you for that post |
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Scots are particularly irreligious, which is probably what makes them so much more compassionate than people in highly religious countries.
It seems like religious people think god's falling down on the job of retribution against the guilty and needs their help.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:09 PM
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7. I don't know if the Scots are particularly religious, but the pundits on MSNBC |
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Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 02:10 PM by stopbush
were saying that the religious belief of a "higher justice" awaiting this guy entered into their decision to set him free. The guy from the WP said that the words of the judge in the case reflected this belief.
That would mean that the court is showing mercy for the man and his family, but that said mercy is contingent on the guy REALLY getting fucked by god once he's dead.
Also, there is no such "mercy" available from the court to the families of the 200+ people this guy killed with his bomb.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:12 PM
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8. Providing it was, in fact, his bomb, of course. |
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:13 PM
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9. True. I'm not familiar enough with the evidence in the case |
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to hold an opinion on that.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:04 PM
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3. Justice and revenge aside |
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he sure as hell isn't going to be our problem for very much longer.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:05 PM
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4. Well, at the least a dirt bath (or crematorium).... |
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I'd have to say his last days/moments pondering "whether?" might well approach that concept of judgment.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:08 PM
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I'm certain he will suffer the same certain death from cancer in Libya as he would have in Scotland, and his dying in Scotland wouldn't bring any of those poor folks back to life.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:15 PM
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10. I believe in a supremely just God. |
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Oddly enough, though, that supreme justice entails something entirely different than a "comeuppance" for every one of us.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:23 PM
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11. If there is a God, it would likely be indifferent to the doings of minor species... |
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on a speck of space dust.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:26 PM
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12. I should clarify though because of the simplistic way this poll was constructed |
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I don't believe that God throws sinners into a pit of fire where they are poked with pitchforks; rather i think that doing evil and being evil taints the immortal soul. It's not so much that you need to be tormented by external things; it's that after this life the blinders fall away and we see ourselves as we really are, and we then go on to our torment or our joy which is largely self inflicted.
If you practice being a miserable bastard for 70 years odds are after you die you will continue being a miserable bastard.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:39 PM
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14. I kept it simple because the variations on the theme |
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are endless, as your post - which is your opinion - shows.
That's why there's an "Other" option - so people can express a more-nuanced belief/opinion, as you have done.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:40 PM
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15. IF there is something beyond physical life |
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Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 02:43 PM by bullimiami
then maybe we are here to learn ...some lesson... in however we live this life. there is probably no longer a need for revenge or balancing of the scales once the mortal coils are tossed off.
maybe he was here to learn how to be what he was, maybe its something we all had to experience at some point.
noone knows. anyone who tells you they do is delusional.
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:53 PM
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16. Well it depends on whether you believe in God or Gods I suppose |
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If you believe in such beings, than you would naturally seek contact with them, and there is religious precedent for such contacts occurring. Of course if you don't believe in God or Gods the situation may not arise.
But then again, perhaps faith is, of necessity, a type of delusion.
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Thu Aug-20-09 03:56 PM
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17. having faith is not the same as knowing something. |
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confusing faith with fact is of course delusional. something which a vast portion of the human species is afflicted with.
its not easy to admit you dont know things.
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Fri Aug-21-09 07:41 AM
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21. Having faith is functionally the same as knowing something. |
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In both cases, you base your actions on what you know or have faith in.
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Fri Aug-21-09 08:08 AM
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25. The day I started upon true spiritual awakening was the day I decided I didn't know everything |
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Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 08:08 AM by shadowknows69
And neither did the guy at the pulpit.
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Fri Aug-21-09 08:07 AM
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24. Perhaps our soul experiences whatever our particular "delusion" was after death |
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Thu Aug-20-09 02:30 PM
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13. Well, seeing how he has cancer |
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he could be given some republican health care benefits!
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Thu Aug-20-09 07:00 PM
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18. What breaks my heart is that he is returning home hailed as a hero |
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to celebrations and jubilation.
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Thu Aug-20-09 07:08 PM
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it saddens and angers me.
In response to the question, I don't really know. I don't have a strong belief or disbelief in there being God, I guess I'm agnostic. If there is a God I would hope there is some justice in the afterlife, but I just don't know.
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Thu Aug-20-09 07:10 PM
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But for some crimes it seems impossible to exact justice in this life here on earth.
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Fri Aug-21-09 08:05 AM
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22. Yes, it is highly unlikely he'll ever be allowed on a commercial airline |
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Fri Aug-21-09 08:06 AM
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23. The only "justice" after death is decomposition. n/t |
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