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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:45 AM
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Chuck Todd Reeks
Note: This is an add-on to tomm2thumbs's excellent thread, Blackwater Exposed - Jeremy Scahill... Child Prostitution, Wife Swapping, Murder?, which discusses primarily the mercenary killercorp Blackwater and author Jeremy Scahill, who exposed it. Also dealt with is media whore Chuck Todd, who defended the whore media's suppression of the ugly truth about Blackwater.

In a Salon article, Bush critics: still evil, crazy extremists, Glenn Greenwald recounts the Todd's whorishness (my term) along with a confrontation he and Scahill had off stage afterwards:

Todd's condescending responses illustrate the same point as the above episodes with Klein and Ambinder: in the eyes of Beltway mavens, those who warned about and worked against the radicalism and lawbreaking of the Bush administration are the fringe, crazed, out-of-touch radicals. While Todd was fiddling around with pretty colored maps and fun polling games, Scahill was courageously investigating one of the most corrupt, dangerous and lethal private corporations in the world, yet it's Todd who understands and must solemnly explain the hardened realities of politics to Scahill, the confused and silly Leftist.

There's little question that when people look back at this period in American history, it will be difficult to comprehend what happened in the Bush era -- and especially how we blithely started a devastating war over complete fiction, while simultaneously instituting a criminal torture regime and breaking whatever laws we wanted. But far more remarkable still will be the fact that, other than a handful of low-level sacrificial lambs, those responsible -- both in politics and the establishment media -- not only suffered no consequences, but continued to wield exactly the same power, with exactly the same level of pompous self-regard, as they did before all of that happened. Looking back several decades or more from now, who will possibly be able to understand how that happened: the almost perfect inverse relationship between one's culpability and the price they paid for what they unleashed?


UPDATE: According to Scahill (via email), Todd approached him after the Maher show and the following occurred:

Right as we walked off stage, he said to me "that was a cheap shot." I said "what are you talking about?" and he said "you know it." I then said that I monitor msm coverage very closely and asked him what was not true that I said on the show. He then replied: "that's not the point. You sullied my reputation on TV."


Media stars are so unaccustomed to being held accountable for the impact of their behavior -- especially when they're on television -- that they consider it a grievous assault on their entitlement when it happens.


And when they ARE held to account, they get offended as if they actually had a reputation, and as if it were more important than the news they're so well paid to suppress.

Hey Chuckie, if you're reading this, you can eat my shit. And if you actually HAD a reputation, it could suck my dick.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:50 AM
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1. We should all send a whining towel to Todd...
Deluge the NBC Mail Room with crying towels.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:51 AM
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16. Agree, in part.
I hink that we should be flooding MSNBC/Todd with serious, rational e-mails. Not just insults -- although I supposethat they are better than nothing. But both the show, and this wonderful information about the exchange that followed, provides an opportunity to communicate a serious message to Chuck "Catnip" Todd.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:06 AM
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2. I watched that show and Todd still tried to be condescending to Scahill
But Scahill is much quicker on is feet that lead foot Todd, and would nail him two or three times before Todd could even attempt to put him down. He was outsmarted from the beginning. Scahill is very passionate and he knows what he's talking about.

Todd tried to tell him something that I took away as that the public isn't interesting in in-depth reporting and that it's a waste of good airtime to fill it with the stories about political crimes because it takes too long, and that he's the expert on what the public wants.

Scahill swept the floor with him. It was pretty clear that they butted heads and that Scahill won. I think it's kind of stupid to try to butt heads with someone who has taken on Criminal Corporations the way he has. Chuck Todd isn't very smart.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:10 AM
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8. It was a thing of beauty.
:)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:52 AM
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17. That, it was.
I found it to be one of the most important, interesting, and entertaining moments of tv in years!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:23 PM
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26. Ditto
I'm sorry Jon Stewart is on vacation - he'd have torn Chuckie a new one.
The sad truth is that Chuck Todd actually believes he's doing something important.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:31 PM
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28. That's what happens when the infotainment talking heads try to
mess with real journalists. It was on par with the routing of Lou Dobbs on Amy's show. He thought he was doing them a favor by gracing their studio and they mopped up with him in the most civil way possible! The clip is still up on the net, "Fact checking Lou Dobbs".
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:40 PM
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30. "Chuck Todd isn't very smart."
My, how generous and kind you are.

He's a bought and paid for shill... pushing infotainment and selling the 'real news isn't interesting' bullcrap.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:28 AM
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3. I was more taken with Maher's put-down
Didn't he end the back and forth between Todd and Scahill by some comment to the effect that Scahill ws only there because BlackWater had been in the news that week? Sounded like Maher was sending the message to Scahill that Scahill was insignificant.

Then again, I really don't like Maher. If I were designing a conservative version of Colbert to lampoon liberals it would end up looking something like Maher. Not only that, but his monologues are nothing short of painful.

He does often get a good discussion going though.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:36 PM
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29. Maher's monologue is where laughter goes to die.
He is awful, and the worst part is how he puts down his audience for "not getting" jokes that just aren't very funny.

Additionally, he should probably read a newspaper every once in a while.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:44 AM
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4. Its his listeners...semi cultish, who suck for listening / believing his utter crap Only Vain BULLIE
Think/Speak as he did....

His Body Language/Verbage SUCKS and he Misleads...not truthful....

At this High Hit Level(High Population).....Suppressing "Truth" is EVIL... by logic, to Suppress / Dismiss Chuckie...is to Suppress EVIL/or, at least help Diminish.

Therefore: Delete Chuckie ASAP
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 01:49 AM
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5. 'You sullied my reputation on tv'
No one has to sully the reputation of the corporate media shills. They've done that themselves. I watched that show and Chuck Todd's performance, especially after hearing what Jeremy Scahill had to say about the horrors inflicted on other human beings by the criminal organization, Blackwater, was totally despicable.

While people were absorbing what they were hearing, and Todd made no attempt to refute anything Jeremy Scahill said, which would have been futile, Chuck Todd revealed himself by his own actions and responses to be not just an empty-headed, self-absorbed, ego-inflated moron, but worse, an apologist for horrendous crimes against humanity and he did not need any help with that from Jeremy Scahill or anyone else.

He made it clear that our so-called media is complicit in the crimes of the Bush administration. Sometimes I used to think that people like him just didn't know, that they were simply reading what was handed to them.

But what he revealed on that show is worse than I imagined, they KNOW about the crimes, and they are apologists for them.

Jeremy Scahill was the star of that show that night. He is a hero, and when Jay Leno asked him if he ever worried about his own safety, it gave me chills as I have often wondered about that too.

One thing is certain, Chuck has nothing to worry about, he has been a good little stooge.

No wonder the US media ranks so low in the world wrt free press ratings. People like Todd have a lot to answer for. He SHOULD be worried about his reputation, but he needs to look in the mirror to find the one who 'sullied' it.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 12:07 AM
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35. +100 n/t
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:02 AM
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6. Guys like Chuck Todd are incapable of seeing what they're actually doing.
Or at least, they're incapable of perceiving it as in any way wrong. That's *why* they float up to the positions they reach. A real journalist would never get that far. They'd be weeded out by some offended CEO or investor very early on.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 02:07 AM
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7. hey chuck, go sully yourself.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:49 AM
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9. A BIG k*r for you Jim "You sullied my reputation on TV"
Todd reveals the fundamental NSM tenet: TV is everything. It's all about TV.

That's why they could care less about us. See, we don't exist because we're not on TV :rofl:

This guy is a real toad. He's also part of the manufactured news that keeps us don. Chuck is
a menace!

Great thread!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:27 AM
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10. Reference to Todd's "Political catnip" attempted slam:
Real Time: Jeremy Scahill Calls Out Chuck Todd for Calling Torture Investigations "Political Catnip"
By Heather
Saturday Aug 22, 2009 4:30pm

Chuck Todd got called out on Real Time by Jeremy Scahill for calling investigations into torture "political catnip". Apparently Todd has taken no lessons from his back and forth with Glenn Greenwald on the issue since he was still as defensive as ever when someone with well more than an ounce of journalistic integrity calls him out for his lack of it.

More:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/real-time-jeremy-scahill-calls-out-chuck-todd

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:24 AM
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21. Thanks for the video link for those of us who don't have Bill Marh's show
on our cable.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:36 PM
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32. Thank you for posting that. Very valuable exchange.
Scahill tore into Todd. A very satisfying rip.

I love seeing someone who is totally dedicated. Obviously, Scahill is one of those types. I wondered if he was worried, and see it's on the mind of other people as well.

You don't get convictions unless you try. I think there is more going on behind the scenes than many realize.

This exchange gives me hope.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:48 AM
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11. The liberals in the audience cheered him and I don't know why. They think he's some kind of liberal.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Chuckie is a TOOL. Period. He's a lazy "journalist," giving HIS opinion rather than reporting the news.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:50 AM
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12. Fuck you, Chuck. You suck. Jeremy Schall is a million times more sullied by having to breathe
the same air as you. There was nothing unsullied about you well before Schall came along, you lame ass corporate shill.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:42 AM
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13. Kick - because this is a subject that requires attention.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:49 AM
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14. Don't sugarcoat it, Jim...
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 06:54 AM by whathehell
Tell him what you really think!:rofl:

But I agree...What IS it with these "journalists" who think facts are optional?..Didn't David Gregory just tell someone it "wasn't his job" to research the issues or something?

Are these the same people who thought nothing about cheating their way through school, because it was all about "grades" and getting into a "good school"...Jeebus.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 06:49 AM
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15. So Chuck E. Tawd is not only a corporate stooge, he's a whiner too!
Hey Chuck, you sullied your own reputation by spending too much time on your knees before your corporate overlords. I bet he buys suits with reinforced knees.

Recommended.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:16 PM
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24. Well, a whiner off camera
Note that he didn't pout to Scahill while the lights were on and the cameras were rolling. No, he waited until afterward to let Scahill know just how put out Chuck Todd was in being waylaid by his own words.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:00 AM
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18. Yes, Chuck...It's all about YOU !
You dumbfuck loser.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 07:58 AM
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19. This incident between Todd and Scahill has given us a real insight
into the Washington DC media elite. Not only are they complicit in upholding the 'official' lies, but more importantly they know they're doing it. I used to think they were just too close to the politicians to understand what the rest of the country thinks, even though their favorite opening phrase always seems to be "What the American people want..." or variations thereof. That because they were too close they couldn't see with clarity because they were really cut off from the realities of the rest of the country.

Not any more. Now we can see that they do know but that they believe it's their right to choose what they see fit to show us. They think of themselves as dispensers of truth or as having the job of doling out what they think we should know, which is apparently what keeps them believing they're super stars in their world.

It's time to show my latest graphic creation about what makes us crazy in the media in DC

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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:04 AM
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20. I thought Jeremy Scahill was too easy on doughboy.
I was waiting for Jeremy to offer investigative journalism to the grinning idiot. And the way Toad was eyeballing Scahill? I would not have been surprised if Jeremy clocked him for that in a different setting.
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felinetta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:08 AM
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22. Scahill was absolutely right. Todd has gotten a huge head for being promoted on
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 11:09 AM by felinetta
MSNBC and he thinks he is just perfect. But many of us are
already through with him  I turn him off when he is on.   
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:13 PM
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23. My post from the other thread you posted in the OP..since i feel the same today
as i felt when i posted it..

Fuck you Chuck Todd..many of us have been screaming about Blackwater from the get go!
Sat Aug-22-09 09:02 PM by flyarm
Now that little fucker wants people to believe that he and MSNBC ..his bosses ..and the other media can't do anything about it..How about the fucking truth Todd?

How about one fucking ounce of truth Todd!!!!!!!!!!

How many of us have said over and over ad nausieum....not in my name??????????


Obama has increased in the 2nd quarter the # of armed contractors in Afganistan 29%..in Iraq 23% increase..why not start there and doing real fucking reporting Todd???????????

or how about you report an increase by Obama of 70,000 private contractors in Afganistan ...with only 48,000 US Soliders on the ground..Toddddddddddd tell the damn truth Todd!

Tell the truth Todd about $1.00 blow jobs by children being used by American men in our home grown mercenary army and how they are used for prostitution by Blackwater Todddddddddddddd..whyyyy.. you had no problem discussing blow jobs and Clinton..how about the holy fucking rollers who are making sure the private contractors are protected and are using children for their sexual jollies..in a country we destroyed for no damn reason but fucking greed!

Why not start Todd with telling the American people that Blackwater is a wing of the Bush Administration..and while you were selling all the fucking "changey bullshit"..let the people know Blackwater continues as an armed wing of the Obama administration!..Tell the American people Todd about this Para military force..and that the USA uses children for Sex and slave labor..That Blackwater is a private CIA run from the White House of both parties!..Just start there Toddddddddddddd

..but we know who ownes you Todd..the same people that own our white house and congress!

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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:22 PM
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25. Todd said reporting on Blackwater would just create a "food fight"
unlike blanket coverage of birthers, deathers and the other crap Todd serves up as a "real" reporter.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:49 PM
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27. I agree with all of the above remarks
I can not stand Chuck Todd.

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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 05:25 PM
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31. Dial 911... Call out the Whaaambulance!
What a freakin' crybaby!

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ConnorMarc Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:48 PM
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33. What's Todd's Email Address?
And what are his higher-ups email address?

I was thinking this today...to email their ass and let Todd have a piece of my mind.

I like Todd...or should I say LIKED.

Get up off your ass Todd...and do some damn JOURNALISM for a change.

Get up off your back you wench!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 11:51 PM
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34. You're in fine form, Jim!
And right on the money. I'm going to transcribe Chucks remarks on the show. As I recall they were exceptionally weasaley.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 12:11 PM
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36. Every time I tell myself I'm going to spiff up my vocabulary, they keep pulling me back in.
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