Lynching of Cynthia McKinney urged by ‘journalist’ trained and paid by FBI

[JohnyCanuck]

Hal Turner called her ‘a violent, black, racist, bitch’ whose lynching would teach other Blacks that ‘white people are tired of your bullshit, behave or die’

by David Swanson

Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney sent an email around on Sunday in which she wrote:

“It has just now come to my attention that a ‘journalist’ who suggested that I be lynched was actually being paid by our own government to say that. Now, when I reported it to the FBI, how in the world was I to know that he was at that time on the FBI’s payroll?”

“Hate blogger” Hal Turner’s lawyer said last week, and prosecutors agreed, that Turner was “trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative” and “worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an ‘agent provocateur’ and was taught by the agency ‘what he could say that wouldn’t be crossing the line.’”

Turner is being charged with making death threats against Connecticut legislators and Illinois judges and is apparently going to claim that his actions were legal because he did the same sort of thing when employed by the FBI. In an Associated Press story published Aug. 18, Katie Nelson writes:

SNIP

John Judge, who worked for McKinney, writes of Turner:

“This is the guy who announced a program topic suggesting that Cynthia McKinney be lynched on her way to the polls to vote in 2006 and published her campaign office address on the website. He asked how she would look swinging at the end of a rope and what message it would send to other ‘uppity’ Blacks. I called NJ Homeland Security and FBI at the time …. The FBI agent I spoke to said, ‘We know all about Mr. Turner.’ Looks like they did.”

http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/lynching-of-cynthia-mckinney-urged-by-%E2%80%98journalist%E2%80%99-trained-and-paid-by-fbi/

[NYC_SKP]

1. Holy shit...

:wtf:

I'm nearly speechless-

I can't imagine how this guy can NOT end up in prison for these actions.

That he did similar under FBI direction in no way makes it legal as a civilian.

:puke:

[malaise]

72. No surprise n/t

[47of74]

2. Hal Turner needs to go to prison for a very, very, very long time.

He needs to spend many years in a place like ADX Florence to teach these right wing scumbags that their brand of hatred won't be tolerated anymore.

[Octafish]

3. FBI knew all about Dr. King, too.

I believe you remember (VIDEO): COINTELPRO, JohnnyCanuck.

Thank you for the heads-up on what they were doing to Ms. McKinney, whose only "crime" was to tell the truth.

[ecstatic]

4. I'm not surprised nt

[goclark]

5. I knew something wasn't right about the Cynthia Mc put downs

She had her problems but she was for the people IMO.

I was never sure about the time when they said she shouldn't have gone through the Security Check with something illegal.
Remember that one ---?

[Echo In Light]

9. There's a dedicated group here who bare their teeth & snarl at the mention of her

... because they love to hate the "loony Left."

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. And they are largely absent from this thread

:shrug:

[Echo In Light]

12. There was a thread yesterday that catered to that sensibility that fizzled out

... haha ... I'm guessing it may have put a damper on the usual Two Min Hate thing, but who knows. It's early.

[Hannah Bell]

55. wrong. see post 6, 4 before yours. then continue down the thread for more.

[proud2BlibKansan]

60. Do I have to look?

:(

[goclark]

16. And we are that "loomy left"

LOL

[JuniperLea]

67. Interesting, isn't it?

I think it's all part of "someone's" divide and conquer scheme.

[loudsue]

88. And I wonder how many are from the FBI, as well.

There have been a lot of stories planted about her on this site over the years, and it was apparent that many of those bearing their teeth about her had an agenda all their own.

[roody]

83. No---please share.

[SidDithers]

6. Hal Turner and Cynthia McKinney in the same thread...

that's like a whole tree full of squirrels.

Sid

[Orwellian_Ghost]

14. Your conflation

is completely off the mark.

Those who attack McKinney should examine who it is they end up in bed with knowingly or not.

A little self-examination is useful from time to time. Though the reactionaries tend to avoid such things and couch their critiques in the language of the status quo.

[SidDithers]

19. McKinney forever marginalized herself with her ridiculous claim...

of the 5000 Katrina bodies shot in the head and buried in the Louisiana swamp. I'm constantly amazed at the mental gymnastics needed by her defenders to excuse the statements she made at that credibility-killing press conference. I don't understand how anyone can take her seriously, after that presser.

Sid

[Orwellian_Ghost]

22. How many comments

has she made about US foreign policy that you remember? How about domestic policy?

It's also amazing to see those castigate her so virulently when the majority of her positions are on the mark and in the interests of working people.

That tends to cast doubts on those who attack her and where their interests truly lie and who they identify with.

And so here we have a right-wing functionary in league with US federalis, no real surprise, and still some will focus on Cynthia's errata rather than taking a minute to see how their attacks on her have a certain similarity to the same right-wingers they claim to abhor. What does that say about how narrow the entire political discussion has become here in The Homeland?

[SidDithers]

25. Her errata? Holy minimization, Batman!...

Mental gymnastics on perfect display.

This wasn't some typo she made in a press release. It wasn't "errata", it was a spectacularly innacurate and inflammatory claim, consciously made to score political points. She completely destroyed her credibility with that press conference. That she would repeat the claim, even vouch for it's authenticity, showed an incredible gullibility and lack of judgement. Everything she now says, to me, is viewed through the prism of that epic failure.

I don't dislike her, but I don't think she deserves to be viewed as the progressive hero that many around here believe her to be.

Sid

[Orwellian_Ghost]

27. Well

my inclination is to avoid idolizing anyone and especially avoid that in mainstream politics.

So it seems though that no matter how accurate she may be on say matters of US imperialism that you are so shut down that you can't absorb the message. That's fairly dangerous if it becomes so rigid.

I would suggest the "gymnastics" you allude to are quite a bit more prevalent for those who defend the acts of Empire and make a career out of rationalizing policies that are opposed to any social reforms and economic justice.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

28. The problem there is SHE never made that claim --

she was simply repeating something told to her -- look it up -- you are looking like a misinformed fool. :(

[sabrina 1]

30. Exactly, see my post below. I'm always amazed to see

progressives jump on the wingnut bandwagon when it comes to Cynthia McKinney. She reported something that was reported to her. As a citizen she was correct to do so in case it was true. But SHE never claimed it happened.

Same thing with the incident at the capital building. She WAS targeted, she was falsely accused, a grand jury threw the whole thing out and the police involved were revealed by others, a black police woman eg, and Rep. Jackson Lee to have a few problems with black people. But no amount of evidence was going to stop the virtual lynching of this courageous woman. I didn't expect it would on the part of rightwingnuts. But those on the 'left' always made me wonder. It's not hard to do a little research. But they'd rather run with the rightwing strategy of going after anyone who exposes their corrupt politicians with the same tactics every time, than figure out for themselves whether they ought to be supporting these morons against one of their own.

I still wonder about that. The 'left' who repeat those rightwing attacks I mean, almost word for word.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

31. The amount of RW Koolaid drunk --

by some here about McKinney is just dumbfounding. :crazy:

They so easily spew the talking points without really knowing WTF they are talking about.

[Beer on a stick]

53. She reported a batshit crazy claim and claimed she had verification.

That's not RW koolaid, that batshit crazy being batshit crazy.

[Echo In Light]

63. So because of one statement she's "batshit crazy?" Seems a tad reactionary.

[Beer on a stick]

70. No, given the nature of it, not at all.

[cherokeeprogressive]

37. "I have verification from insiders uh who who wish to remain anonymous"

at the Red Cross that this is, this is, true. I suspect that these were prisoners..."

I looked it up. You can listen to it.

I'm no misinformed fool... and I think she believes it wholeheartedly to this day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7vanxByprc

[aikoaiko]

38. and she claimed she verified it with others that "it was true" and on her own,

speculated that the 5000 were prisoners.

This is a good example of her style of presentation failing her. Even if this were true, and there is no evidence that it was, she should have gotten her ducks in a row before repeating and speculating on such a horrendous event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgu5Q4wpEj4

[SidDithers]

41. More mental gymnastics...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjewdHb8UY

There's the video. Her own words condemn her. She claimed she had verification. She's either spectacularly gullible for believing the story, or spectacularly stupid for repeating it. Take your pick.

And you're the fool for defending her.

Sid

[Milspec]

82. The woman is a kook

[Rebubula]

44. So...

...she was just repeating a blatant falsehood as a truth and that is somehow better to you??

[sabrina 1]

29. Strange that out of all the political stands she has taken

you remember her repeating information given to her by someone else. That was an awful time and watching it unfold and the complete criminal neglect of those people, no one would have been surprised at anything that happened there. We do know that some people were shot, now. That too was conidered a conspiracy theory at the time.

What I remember about her, and she is a great loss in Congress at the moment, were the bills she wrote. Most of them were aimed at issues that badly need fixing in this country. Fair pay and humane treatment for people who work abroad for multi-national corps eg. We would not have the slave labor in many of these countries where our greedy corps go to hide from the law and maximize their profits, if someone other she, had the guts to get this legislation passed.

I could go on, but I'm sure that one bill which I won't bother to mention, is all that those whose job it seems to be to smear her, will remember.

[Whisp]

36. yes, very strange,

but not really.
There are people here that have such deep and unreasonable hate for Cynthia, that are coached, I am bloody sure they work for someone. They rely on ignorance and when someone here so kindly pointed out the FACTS, they disappear - until next time.

[sabrina 1]

40. I have noticed the way they

disappear and rarely defend the smears once the facts are presented to them. I have suspected that some are paid, others just easily influenced who probably do not like real progressives anyhow and just jump on the bandwagon.

For the latter group, I hope they consider now who they have been supporting after reading this latest information. Even if they do not like her politics, what kind of country allows racial threats like that against a member of Congress and does nothing about it?

Sadly, Fox has done such a good job of smearing her and there is such a dangerous and nasty element in this country, it is probably better that those threats were not on the news, for her sake.

[Echo In Light]

61. Wasn't she one of the few who spoke openly re unfavorable questions of 9/11?

That may point to the real motivator ...

[sabrina 1]

86. Yes, she did. She broke the silence and shattered the rules

back then, that NO ONE was allowed to question anything the Bushies did without being called a traitor. Her questions and words were twisted, but she spoke on the floor and the record was always there for anyone who cared.

Imagine if her Dem colleagues had, once she led the way, backed her up. The whole climate back then would have changed. But, they did not, too afraid do what she did. And then, nearly half of them voted in 2002, for Bush's illegal war, but not Cynthia McKinney.

I think you are right. People forget, she was a hero to people back then. As her popularity grew. the carefully orchestrated atmosphere of fear of 'looking like a traitor' began to crack. People DID have questions, but they kept them to themselves mostly. Without that, the warmongers might not have gotten away with their crimes. So, people like her had to be silenced, and if not silenced, smeared and marginalized. She wasn't the only one, but she WAS a member of Congress and that was not to be tolerated.

When you go back and read her questions on the floor in retrospect it is clear how absolutely right she was. And many of the cowardly Dems who refused to back her up, knew she was right. But they had ambitions and they weren't going to let their consciences get in the way.

To be fair, there were other Dems who did not go along, and some of them, like Sen. Byrd were very outspoken also. He was smeared using his past to do so. But it was the right who went after him. Kucinich too, also very popular at the time, was smeared and also by Democrats. Dems often do the work of the right for them and there is something really wrong with that.

[SidDithers]

45. She repeated the claim, and said she had verification...

in 2008, more than 3 years after Katrina. These comments weren't made during that "awful time".

Sid

[sabrina 1]

35. Well, now that the facts of that story

have been pointed out to you, I hope you are relieved to learn that the rightwingnut spin, which you repeated here, was nothing but more smear tactics against a brave Democrat who was never afraid to do her job even at the height of the Bush administration's reign of terror.

[SidDithers]

42. See #41 for my reply...nt

Sid

[sabrina 1]

85. I've read it, thank you and also for the video

I had already seen the video and was aware of what she said. She used bad judgement in that instance, by not waiting for confirmation. One incident where she allowed her concerns that unspeakable acts might be taking place, to over come her better judgement. Otoh, as I've already pointed out, black people WERE shot and it has taken four years to get anyone to do something about it. People may not have been shot in the head, but they WERE left to die for five long days and anyone trying to get in to help, people bringing life-saving water, eg, were blocked from doing so. Do you think that would have happened in the Hamptons or Palm Beach?

As a black person at that time, she and so many others, people around the globe seeing those photos of black people dying, would not have been surprised had the story been true. For people who are not black it may sound outrageous, but not if you're black in America. Just look at the racial hatred bubbling to the surface since Obama was elected.

Yes, if she were more selfish, like the rest of our Reps, thinking only of her own reputation, she would not have discussed what she was told in public unless it was verifiedn. As for the likelihood of it happeing, how many black people died in NO? Did we ever get a 'body count'? No, and I know we did not. Maybe because when it comes to poor black people we 'don't do body counts' just as one of our 'great' generals reminded us about the Iraqi people, 1 million or more of whom we bombed, shot or otherwise killed. For a black person dealing with the same mentality that cares nothing for the lives of poor Iraqis, or poor residents of New Orleans, from HER pov, it is understandable why she was would not have been shocked had it been true.

One incident of bad political judgement gets her called 'batshit crazy'.

But what does she get called for being only ONE of THREE Democrats who voted to withdraw the troops from Iraq after the Republicans dared Democrats to do so, while the rest of her party played the Republican game and voted the 'right' way? I remember giving her a standing ovation for calling their bluff at that time. Was she 'batshit crazy' for taking that courageous stand?

What about her demand that there be an investigation to see who was profiting from 9/11 while everyone else remained silent? When later on there was proof of profiteering practically on that day, at least one representative apologized to her. Privately, as someone said, they knew she was right.

I could go on, listing her voting record eg, one of the most progressive in Congress, and the many, many other times she stood alone against a corrupt government while her Dem colleagues caved to every bullying demand made of them. She was vilified, but at least for doing what was right. They, despite caving in were also vilified and they had nothing to show for it. Not even knowing they had acted, as she did, in good conscience.

She has her faults, but when you're looking for real courage and leadership, you have to expect some flaws as no one is perfect. But focusing on ONE incident, while ignoring a long, incredible record of courage and real progressivism, does nothing to diminish her, it only diminishes those who attack her.

John Adams was ridiculed and called batshit crazy also, by warmongers too as it happens, but like Cynthia, he did not allow that to stop him from doing what was right and he wasn't always pleasant about it. And sometimes, he too made mistakes.

Like I said many times and will continue to say it, the vitriol against this woman was because she WAS popular and that had to change as far as the war-mongers and the Bush criminals were concerned. She was saying out loud what many believed and they had to stop her before too many others followed her example, especially in Congress. They had a war to profit from!

It's just sad to see Democrats going along with it, playing into their hands. Nancy Pelosi who also tried to silence her so she could quietly make deals with the Bush administraion without interference.

Anyhow, thanks for providing the links, but as I said, I look at the volume of work she has done and by comparison that one mistake is minsicule and ... she's allowed.

[Octafish]

43. Link?

I don't recall reading that. I do know Ms. McKinney has been widely misquoted regarding 9-11.

[SidDithers]

46. Youtube of her press conference here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYjewdHb8UY

Sid

[Octafish]

52. Thank you, Sid!

Ms. McKinney got fed some bad information and she should've known better before making public such an allegation. If I had the honor to serve as her press secretary, I would counsel against her bringing it up before seeing proof with my own eyes.

I'm a big fan of hers because she's one of the few people in Congress to stand up to the War Party. For instance, she brought up Dyncorp, sex trafficking, bioweapons, missing trillions from the Pentagon, and four war games on September 11 with Rumsfeld.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU

Haven’t heard too much, if anything, about those issues from anyone else in Congress. That's the real shame of the situation.

[AntiFascist]

47. So...that makes the FBI agent's actions ok then?

We can see what to expect when anyone, particularly an African-American, attempts to take on the government.

[SidDithers]

48. What a tremendous leap of logic!!...

don't break your ankles on landing.

Sid

[AntiFascist]

49. With so many on the far right calling for violence...

it's certainly not a leap of logic to assume that some may also be working for the FBI, or CIA, etc.

[SidDithers]

50. Which has absolutely nothing to do with the fact...

that, to me, Cynthia McKinney (or Hal Turner for that matter) has zero credibility.

Sid

[AntiFascist]

51. McKinney may have been hyperbolic...

but again it doesn't take a "leap of logic" to suppose that blackwater types may have taken part in a shooting spree after Katrina.

[Rebubula]

59. Uhhhhh...

"but again it doesn't take a "leap of logic" to suppose that blackwater types may have taken part in a shooting spree after Katrina."

Uhhh...yes it does. What you are saying there is just as bad as what Ms. McKinney said.

Blackwater has enough crimes to answer for without making them up.

[Hannah Bell]

64. no, it doesn't, precisely because they're already known to be involved in so much bad shit.

"doesn't take a leap of logic to suppose" means it would be in character, not that it's proven fact.

[EFerrari]

74. No, it doesn't. And this story and others like it were widely believed

in the aftermath of Katrina. I was watching a town hall that Nagin had and there were so many people in the audience asking about these stories, he shut down the questions.

In context, Cynthia saying this story should be checked out was not unusual in any way.

[AntiFascist]

76. I said Blackwater-types, not accusing Blackwater directly...

in fact, there was some visual evidence. Even Anderson Cooper encountered some of these patroling around the area a few days after Katrina. Of course, they were on their best behavior in front of the MSM, even appearing to be heroically saving some people, but they weren't directly with the government either, and they were armed.

[AntiFascist]

78. Also....

they were armed in order to shoot at looters and such. So where do you draw the line between looters and black people who may have been trying to survive by gathering food? We really don't know how many people were shot at before the media was let in.

[JuniperLea]

68. Do we know who fed her that stuff?

I don't recall hearing.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. And that justifies what Turner did??

[happydreams]

71. If she said it, she believed it. Probably fed bogus info in a psy-ops

They have been after her since way back when she tried to stop the Crusader Missile pork barrel.
But then I'm sure you already know this...Sid.
I'm mean you have heard of others fed bogus info haven't you?

[Hannah Bell]

56. in the present case, "knowingly".

[sweetpotato]

7. Send him back to the early 19th century where he belongs

Let him enjoy THEIR health care system, too.

Oh and let him have a LOT of melanin in his skin.

[ensho]

8. kick

nt

[Orwellian_Ghost]

11. COINTELPRO-Palmer Raids- etc.

K&R

[aikoaiko]

13. I don't think MCKinney is a ‘a violent, black, racist, bitch’ but I'm not fond of her style

..and I'm ok with her no longer being a Democrat. Even when she is right, I keep seeing an attention seeker who pushes buttons.

But if this is true, then people at the FBI need to be held accountable.

[ensho]

18. Style? attention seeker?

style and attention seeker are terms used by the neo cons all the time.

aren't there buttons that really need pushed?

[aikoaiko]

20. Sure, but its all in the way that you do it, I suppose.

[JohnyCanuck]

23. To any lukring FBI agents of color

(and any caucasian agents with a modicum of decency still in their system):

Don't you just feel prouder n shit of your employer?

[aikoaiko]

24. The FBI directors and handlers in charge really need to be outed by name

and called before Congress, at the very LEAST.

[bvar22]

21. I will take 100 McKinneys to a single DLCer.

Her voting record was impeccable.
She voted FOR The People.

[aikoaiko]

26. Her voting record was mostly good (you are right about that), but where is she now?

The People didn't want her anymore and largely I think it was because of her perceived instability.

[Raineyb]

39. Her perceived instability as portrayed by the MSM which also sold us this war? n/t

[druidity33]

54. where is she now?

Actually i believe she ran as the Green Party candidate for the highest office in the land in the last election. She was on the ballot in 32 states and managed to get over 160,000 people to vote for her and the Green Party. So, 9 months ago there were at least that many people who disagree with you.

Nowadays, she's a rabble rouser...

;)

[Hannah Bell]

58. she was taken out by a stage-managed campaign designed to make people "perceive" her as "unstable."

it was effective.

[Echo In Light]

65. Howard Dean's infamous Iowa howl

[Hannah Bell]

69. yep. that non-news certainly became big news, didn't it? thus mckinney's "instability".

manufactured.

[cali]

73. Howard Dean is electable in Vermont. Cynthia McKinney is not electable in

her former district.

[EFerrari]

75. You don't know that. I was working the ER Daily News thread that morning

and the trouble reports started coming in almost as soon as the polls opened.

There is no reason to have any confidence in the results of that election. It can't be documented or verified and all those trouble reports were ignored.

[cali]

77. what are you talking about, the July primary or the August runoff?

Are you accusing Representative Johnson of rigging the runoff? the primary?

[EFerrari]

79. Both the election itself and the runoff were messes.

Georgia votes on vapor. I don't have to accuse anyone of anything but merely to point out, there is no way to verify the results and there were many, many trouble reports.

[cali]

80. He beat her in the runoff by 18 points and the district is completely and totally dem

it's a given that the dem nom will win. It appears you're not very familiar with it.

[EFerrari]

81. I know it well enough. Georgia's voting systems are cr@p.

Georgia's “Faith-Based” Electronic Voting System: Something's Rotten in the State
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0212-11.htm

Motion Filed to Ban Georgia Voting Equipment PDF Print Email
Georgia
By VoterGA
April 04, 2008
Citizens in an electronic voting lawsuit announced that they have filed a summary judgment motion seeking to ban the voting equipment currently used in Georgia. The motion contends that there are no issues of fact at dispute that would warrant a trial for certain counts of the lawsuit.

The main thrust of the motion centers on a lack of equal protection and due process that the plaintiffs claim Election Day voters have when compared to absentee voters who use optically scanned paper ballots. The motion contends that retention of tangible paper ballots is required for voters to verify their actual ballot choices, for election officials to provide true recounts as needed, to investigate voting discrepancies, to prevent fraud and to produce evidence for contested elections.

In addition, the motion seeks to ban database servers used to tabulate electronic and optical scan votes at county and state levels because of admissions from officials that the equipment does not detect fraudulent manipulation of votes.

The landmark motion further seeks to ban the newer sequential roll technology used in three precincts for the 2006 audit trail pilot on the grounds that it jeopardizes secrecy of the ballot, a point that was stated in the 2006 Audit Trail Pilot Report produced by the office of the new Secretary of State in April of 2007.
Read more...

http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=71&Itemid=152

Diebold Added Secret Patch to Georgia E-Voting Systems in 2002, Whistleblowers Say

By Matthew Cardinale, News Editor, Atlanta Progressive News (September 28, 2006)

(APN) ATLANTA – Top Diebold corporation officials ordered workers to install secret files to Georgia’s electronic voting machines shortly before the 2002 Elections, at least two whistleblowers are now asserting, Atlanta Progressive News has learned.

Former Diebold official Chris Hood told his story concerning the secret “patch” to Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., for Kennedy’s second article on electronic voting in this week’s Rolling Stone Magazine.

Hood’s claims corroborate a second whistleblower who spoke with Black Box Voting and Wired News in 2003.

http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0091.html

[sabrina 1]

33. Me too n/t

[sabrina 1]

32. Well, in the world of the Bush administrationwhe

where most democrats hid like scared mice and were very careful to NOT say anything negative about what was going on at the time, a woman like McKinney whose willingness to take a stand and actually do her job by asking questions, WOULD stand out and attract attention. If her colleagues had been doing what they should have been doing rather than worrying about their careers, she would not have received the attention she did just for doing her job.

If by pushing buttons you mean, challenging the lies told by the Bush admin., I wish we had had a hundred Cynthia McKinneys doing what she did and this country would a whole different place right now. She took seriously the fact that people were going to DIE so yes, she sought attention from the people and her cowardly colleagues to try to stop the moving train that was bearing down on all of us.

But hey, if you like your politicians to stay in the background when the country is under seige by fear-mongers and criminals, that's your choice. She was, imo, a breath of fresh air each time she spoke up, at a time when the rest of our cowardly reps were voting for the war, dutifully waving the flag and buying their flag lapel pins, in case what happened to her, what YOU are doing to her, might happen to them. Maybe they were right, maybe they knew they would get no thanks for standing up for the American people, so they chose to look out for themselves.

But she did her duty and so many of them did not. Imo, it is in times like those that people are tested. Not many others passed that test, but she can proud of what she did for her country back then.

[Hannah Bell]

57. "her 'style'". "attention seeker". liberal psychologizing = all-pervasive.

that's not political debate, it's pathological individualism, inculcated by years of brainwashing.

"if" it's true?

it's true.

& as the other poster noted, hyperbole & nutty rhetoric (not that i believe mckinney is described by those words) is used by the cons all the time.


but they're never dismissed with the phoney psychologizing of "attention seeker" or on the basis of their personal style.

no, they're treated as though their brand of hyperbole is not indicative just of some personal pathology (a branding technique meant to minimize, marginalize, & discredit the speaker as an isolated nutcase), but of poltics & a political base, i.e. something important we should pay attention to, either because there are real issues involved or because the political base has power.

[madmom]

15. How is it that this guy can get off and this guy couldn't...

(pun not intended)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6378285

Since when is a thought crime that is not enacted upon worse than and out and out call for hate crime?

[LWolf]

17. Justice needs some serious vision therapy. nt

[SpiralHawk]

34. The Republicons are so occult & un-American

They need to hang their heads in shame.

[Tigress DEM]

66. So does someone PAY Hal Turner for this crap?

Probably not, but if he has sponsors, couldn't they be pressured to dump the guy?

Let's see him try to write a blog while he's homeless and wandering the street because no one wants to pay him to spout off.

Tell Glen Beck, he has compettition, maybe they'll get together and fight it out. One less whacko in the media either way.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

91. He has an internet show paid for by his listeners

He is the talk show equivalent of a guy shouting out the window.

[JustAnotherGen]

84. She's the reason I canNOT stand

Paul Begala. I don't agree with her lashing out at Jewish people - her anti semitism stinks! However, long before there was a Senator Obama who was against our false war in Iraq. . . there was THAT woman who called Bull Shit! She called Bull Shit - and Begala made fun of her on Cross Fire. And now - THAT asshole who could have done something, anything of value - is getting accolades? She may be looney but she's always on the LEFT. Paul Begala is just an opportunist who will do anything to get airtime to promote his books. And it's only a matter of time before he realizes that it's more fun to be on the right . . . and he jumps over there to sell books.

I wonder how much of the hatred DIRECTED at her has turned her into what she is?????? She wasn't like this 10 years ago. . .

[G_j]

87. K&R

[DirtyDawg]

89. No question that an orchestrated...

...effort to discredit and belittle Cynthia has been successful. Most of the people I know that don't like her aren't even sure why, or at least won't admit why. Many of them simply can't abide a mouthy, frizzy-haired, uppity black woman...others are convinced that she hates Jews...still more that are a combination of all the above. Fact is Cynthia has experienced the fate that befalls a public figure and/or politician that has the temerity to criticize Israel's treatment of Palestinians...just ask Jimmy Carter.

Her opponents in her home district in Georgia have been funded to a large extent by the famed Jewish Lobby. Untraceable contributions from all across the country having been funneled through a few key Jewish leaders in the Atlanta area and into the coffers of, most recently, Hank Johnson. I'm still waiting to see if he'll ever vote against a position endorsed by the AIPAC. Way too much of our foreign policy, and apparently, our domestic policy is driven by the AIPAC and it's hired political arm...it's called the US Congress.

[Behind the Aegis]

90. "famed Jewish Lobby"

:rofl:

When in doubt, blame the Jews.

[file83]

93. That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

She was a HUGE threat to the power base. They no longer wanted her around, so they carefully planned her political assassination.

Interesting how this "conspiracy theory" of ours is proving out, ain't it?

[Jim Sagle]

97. Psssttt....lay off the Nazi Kool-Aid, buddy. It'll make you grow an ugly black moustache.

[file83]

99. Hey, troll....

...congrats for misapplying one of the most over used rhetorical accusations on the internet.

You make a fine troll and I'm sure your mother is proud.:eyes:

[Jim Sagle]

100. You didn't HAVE a mother. You weren't born, you were shitted.

[Jim Sagle]

96. Hal Turner, is that you?

[DAMANgoldberg]

98. In her East Metro district...

it can be said that she also pays the sins of her "outspoken" father, Billy McKinney.

[thread-bear]

92. k&r

Now-of days, it seems like only "crazy" people make since. Go figure. Go, McKinney.

[Rex]

94. Wow, I wonder how much BS op4 fed her?

And all because she refused to sit down about 911. Shame on the FBI, but I should point out that the JD works/worked for Dick Cheney at the time. Who knows what that idiot thought up about her.

[omega minimo]

95. This is the kind of thing that makes institutionalized bigots, liars and criminals look bad.