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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:14 AM
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The Mysterious Eleventh Torture Technique: Prolonged Diapering?
Source: washington independent

The 2004 CIA inspector general’s report on torture says clearly that in 2002, the CIA proposed to the Justice Department the use of eleven “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Ten of them got the approval of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel in August 2002 in the infamous Jay Bybee/John Yoo memo declassified by the Obama administration in April: the attention grasp; walling; the facial hold; the facial or insult slap; cramped confinement; insects; wall standing; stress positions; sleep deprivation; the waterboard. But what happened to the eleventh?

The Agency eliminated one proposed technique — {REDACTED} — after learning from DoJ that this could delay the legal review.

But an appendix to the report written by former CIA Director George Tenet gives an indication as to what that eleventh technique was — and says that it’s permissible.

Take a look at Appendix E, Tenet’s January 28, 2003 memorandum on guidelines for both “standard” and “enhanced” interrogations. Tenet’s list of “enhanced” techniques, you’ll notice, number eleven:

These techniques are, (sic) the attention grasp, walling, the facial hold, the facial slap (insult slap), the abdominal slap, cramped confinement, wall standing, stress positions, sleep deprivation beyond 72 hours, the use of diapers for prolonged periods, the use of harmless insects, the water board, and such techniques as may be specifically approved pursuant to paragraph 4 below.


You can see why I bolded the diaper technique. All the others on Tenet’s list were approved by the Office of Legal Counsel in August of 2002. But that diapering technique was never approved by the Justice Department. Tenet considered “the use of diapers for limited periods (generally not to exceed 72 hours)” to be a “standard” technique, as I blogged earlier. But it’s at least conceivable that the Justice Department would have thought reviewing prolonged diapering would have delayed the 2002 review, since the humiliation and health issues of forcing someone to remain in their own filth for over three days raise serious legal issues.


Read more: http://washingtonindependent.com/56394/the-mysterious-eleventh-torture-technique-prolongued-diapering
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:15 AM
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1. Vitter says nah, not a torture. nt
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:38 AM
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3. damn, i was too late!!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:36 AM
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2. This is a really dangerous practice
because anyone who's ever worked in a hospital or nursing home knows that if you don't remove soiled diapers quickly, the person's skin will start to break down as urine and feces turn to ammonia.

This is a vicious practice and anyone who ordered it needs to be in prison for the rest of his rotten life.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:39 AM
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4. I take back what I said
I usually don't think Repubs could withstand torture. But obviously David Vitter could do this one.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:35 AM
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5. Medal of Freedom
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 12:02 PM
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6. This is just plain sad.
That grown men and women would consider doing something like this to other human beings. I gather by the wording that this torture has been used when limited to 3 days? What the hell is wrong with people?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:24 PM
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7. Not so odd -- they just wanted to avoid torturing Sen. Vitter.
;-)
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:26 PM
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8. What a disgrace /nt
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:14 PM
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9. The problem I have with all this stems from a memory I have...
from my childhood.

I had taken a raw egg to (elementary) school to show my friends a trick I'd seen on TV. As I rode to school in a friend's car, the egg broke and made a mess all over the back seat. I was too scared to say anything, but naturally I was found out.

My father was angry about the mess; but he was angrier about my reason for taking the egg to school. He insisted that I was lying...that I had taken it with the intention of throwing it at someone.
Telling the truth was taught to me to be the most important value. So when he spanked me at regular 10 minute intervals until I told the truth he wanted to hear, it was at least an hour and a half before I broke down and lied. Then, of course, he spanked me again as punishment.

Anyway, I imagine that torturing people and threatening their families could easily yield the same result...victims telling their torturers anything they want to hear just to end their suffering.

Call it torture or call it "enhanced interrogation techniques. It's all dumb.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:18 PM
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10. K&R
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