Caroline Kennedy: "I know it was Jupiter, but it was acting a lot like Teddy...."

[omega minimo]

(edited for copyright purposes-proud patriot Moderator Democratic Underground)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGv-TuWXS0U


http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/boots.shtml

AUGUST 2009

by Boots Hart, CAP
Of the ten "standard" planetary bodies used in astrology, eight go retrograde. Only the Sun and Moon are consistently in direct(ed) motion. If they weren’t always direct, that would give us all sorts of interesting (and possibly disastrous) opportunities to at least go back in time. If the Sun or Moon ever shifted into reverse, that would probably come with a whole warpage and turning inside out of some time constants we all actually rather rely on.

That this really can’t happen is all about how retrogrades occur. Retrogrades are bout the lining up of planets as seen from Earth, where the planet becomes hidden by the Sun. Obviously the Sun can’t hide behind itself, and the Moon being so close, there’s no chance it’s going to ever be behind the Sun either.

All this leads to the fact that science has actually proven that this "going behind the Sun" thing has an effect—which on its face proves the astrological precept of stations. You know—that moment when the planet is just about to disappear behind the Sun, where relative motion and direction of said planet as seen from Earth as it’s speeding along its orbit vis-à-vis the Sun’s position makes it appear (from Earth) that said planet "stops"? That would be the station—which astrology refers to as a "turning point"—after which, speed and position make it appear as if it’s backing up. You know, retrograde.

At the other end of this process, there’s a moment nhese factors fall back into line, but relative speed and motion now make it look as though the planet is going forward again—the station-to-direct motion moment.  

(snip)

[Odin2005]

1. Astrology is all confirmation bias and nothing more

:banghead:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_validation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

[omega minimo]

2. Astrology is all around us.

When that particularly intense moment occurs for you and you look up at the sky and you feel as Caroline did :shrug:

The need to discredit and discount such a common human experience seems really silly right now, doesn't it?

[Odin2005]

3. Maybe it;s my Asperger's, but I just don't get it.

I didn't have the compulsion to wax poetic about pseudo-scientific nonsense when my stepdad died. :shrug: I had more (literally) down to Earth thoughts, like how my niece and my stepdad's mom and siblings was taking it.

[omega minimo]

5. Did you watch the video?

Of her tribute to her uncle? And that moment when they walked outside and saw Jupiter? What that felt like?

:hi:

[Odin2005]

6. Yes.

But what does that have to do with astrological mumbo-jumbo? :shrug:

[omega minimo]

9. It has to do with human experience.

It has to do with her coming out and at that moment, being struck by the bodies that by some miracle, hang in our sky and revolve around us or us around them.

The real travesty is that so many have been trained to disconnect from the natural world and view reality as "mumbo jumbo."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. "bodies that by some miracle, hang in our sky "

You mean gravity and inertia?

[omega minimo]

14. You are welcome to leave, since you have nothing to offer.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Oh, I've a lot to offer.

You just don't want to hear.

[omega minimo]

16. That doesn't even make sense. Your contributions speak for themselves and have naught to do with me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. I offered a contribution, you rejected it.

Something about incapability of human connection.

[omega minimo]

21. something about "gravity and inertia"

your continuous playing games with replies is, apparently, one reason you have nothing substantive to offer.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. You apparently didn't know what keeps the planets in the sky.

Despite Ted Kennedy's best efforts to improve public education.

So I thought I'd explain it to you.

Oh, well. I can help you if you're unwilling to learn.

[Name removed]

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[SpiralHawk]

36. "Astrology really works." - Ronald Reagan (R)

"How do you think a crappy actor like me made it to the top of the political shit heap?"

- Ronald Reagan (R)

[dysfunctional press]

27. "...and revolve around us or us around them."

that would only be two bodies- the moon is the only one that revolves around us, an the sun is the only one that we revolve around.

"The real travesty is that so many have been trained to disconnect from the natural world and view reality as "mumbo jumbo."

no- the real travesty is that so many view mumbo jumbo(like astrology) as reality.

[omega minimo]

32. That's funny

:spray:

The sky's a lot bigger than that, isn't it? :think:

[dysfunctional press]

70. it doesn't matter how big the sky is...

there are only two things in it to which the phrase 'revolve around us, or us around them' could apply- unless maybe you're referring to man-made satellites?

but please- if you know of other celestial bodies other than the sun and/or moon that we either revolve around, or that revolve around us- please elaborate.

[omega minimo]

71. It's stunning

how reductive the reading skills of some here, how bent on finding fault and misreading to suit their agenda.

[dysfunctional press]

72. words mean things.

you're the one who put them together to form a meaningless phrase.

[omega minimo]

75. It's only

your reductive reasoning that makes you think that's "a meaningless phrase."


That's not my problem and not my argument. The agenda -- and truncated thought -- IS stunning. And stunted.

[dysfunctional press]

91. i have no idea as to your agenda, so i can't speak to that...

but the phrase you constructed is still utter nonsense, no matter how one deconstructs it.

sorry. :shrug:

(not really)

[omega minimo]

92. No it's not. And the agenda

is of the truncated thinkers fixed on "deconstruction," detraction, disregard, without the skill to put a sentence together themselves, who intstead play word games, reversing others' comments.

You can read the sentence and see what it means. It's not up to me to defend against this kind of shortsighted bullshit.

Or maybe you can't. For you flat earth folk, so "smart" and so stilted, try this. The whole thing is revolving.

Another apparent casualty of "teach to the test." :freak:

Thank you.

[Occulus]

111. We're not at the center of anything but the Earth-Moon system.

"The whole thing is revolving" can only extend up to our own galaxy, which orbits a supermassive black hole located at its center. That's part of the reason, perhaps the sole reason, why our particular galaxy is a spiral. Luna orbits us, we orbit Sol, and the Sol system orbits the galactic center, but nothing except our own satellites and other junk orbits the Earth.

Well, dust, maybe. But nothing of any particular astronomical note.

What exactly was your purpose in saying "the whole thing is revolving"? What's this 'thing' of which you speak?

[omega minimo]

114. We're not? Maybe not the center.

I live in a revolving universe and so do you.


"It has to do with human experience.
It has to do with her coming out and at that moment, being struck by the bodies that by some miracle, hang in our sky and revolve around us or us around them."


When Carolyn stood outside that night, observing Jupiter, were any other of the observable points of light beyond "our own galaxy"?

I understand the Kill It And Pin It To A Board point that -- strangely -- some here want to pound on.

My post and the story on the human experience and however I choose to phrase it, stand. I hope that is all right with you. :hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

141. Revolving? No, expanding.

The universe isn't revolving.

"When Carolyn stood outside that night, observing Jupiter, were any other of the observable points of light beyond "our own galaxy"?"

Yes, many.

"I understand the Kill It And Pin It To A Board point that -- strangely -- some here want to pound on."

What I don't get is "let's ignore the natural world and just make shit up" point that some, strangely, like to pound on.

[omega minimo]

144. "What I don't get is "let's ignore the natural world and just make shit up" point that some, strang"

Yet you ignore that all of it revolves, as it expands.

[Lionel Mandrake]

145. "all of it revolves, as it expands"?

If you are talking about the universe, your assertion runs counter to present-day science, as has already been pointed out.

Any finite subset of the universe revolves, in the sense that it has nonzero angular momentum about its own center of mass. Examples have already been given in this thread. Another example is the local group, of which our galaxy is a part.

As far as we know, the universe as a whole does not revolve. If it does, that fact has not been reported in scientific journals.

[omega minimo]

149. You have just agreed with me

In the Kill It and Pin It To A Board way that you prefer.

You want to mention the "subsets" and then ignore them, while fixating on whether "the whole" revolves.

This is why I use the word truncated.

:hi:

[Lionel Mandrake]

157. Maybe I have agreed with what you meant.

If so, then that tells us something about what you meant, which is far from obvious.

Butterfly collectors may "Kill It and Pin It To A Board", but I do no such thing. What I try to do is to be precise and unambiguous, so that you and others don't have to think like a detective in order to understand my meaning. You do, however, need some scientific background. That is unavoidable. As Einstein once said: it's best to keep things as simple as possible, but no simpler.

You use the word "truncated" a lot, and always as a snarl. Again, your meaning is far from obvious.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

148. Actually, it doesn't.

You just made that up.

[omega minimo]

150. Enough.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

151. Great

Does that mean you'll stop making things up?

[omega minimo]

153. Don't you feel good now?

Does that mean you'll stop making trouble?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

155. Oh, I guess not.

Now you're making things up about me causing trouble.

[Cetacea]

40. We would not have walked on the moon...

...if people did not have experiences simular to what Caroline was describing. Google "awe","poetic",
etc...

[omega minimo]

44. if her father had not been inspired

:hi:

[Uncle Joe]

65. Your first post confirmed a logical reason to be aware of astrology, even if you don't believe it.

If astrology is confirmation bias and confirmation bias is a real force in human psychology; reinforcing the subject's beliefs about themselves and the world at large, then it goes to follow, knowledge of astrology will give you a keen insight in to the subconscious of any person believing it.

Ie; in this case it would allow you to more easily view by a similar colored prism that Carolyn Kennedy viewed her Uncle though, either because of her own sign and/or her knowledge of Teddy's. It's certainly not an identical prism but there is an increased commonality.

Is this not of value?

[omega minimo]

68. There is also

the commonality with others, throughout time, who have an experience like Carolyn did.

It was you, wasn't it, that once commented on your view of astrology, one of the best I've seen.

Attitudes about this are so truncated, so black and white, the animosity quite baffling. What happened to lifelong learning, curiosity, multidisciplinary thinking? Would people here jump down Joseph Campbell's throat if he posted something?

IMHO her comment of Jupiter "acting like Teddy" suggested some historic reference to associations with Jupiter. Interesting, irrelevant, NOT A THREAT to those who don't "believe" in astrology or any connection between the universe and humans.

[Odin2005]

77. I actually find Joseph Campbell very interesting, actually.

I've always thought a society's myths and legends (including the secular myths and legends of our modern Western society) are an interesting window into human psychology and the values and principles those societies hold. But one must be careful to not let metaphor lead one to see connections that are not really there, especially because of the common human failing of projecting human social reality onto the universe. My Aspie self has always been amused and mystified when people start yelling at a malfunctioning device and accusing it of having ill will towards them, it's an inanimate object, people! :rofl:

[omega minimo]

82. One must also be careful

to let miseducation lead one to not see connections that are really there. :hi:

[Uncle Joe]

78. Yes, I remember watching a Bill Moyers program; consisting of several

interviews with the late Professor Joseph Campbell, regarding the "Power of Myth" and how virtually all of the World's great religions and mythologies; separated by vast distances and time contained a great deal of consistent commonality and this was in effect a reservoir of humanistic wisdom.

These lessons in large part repeat themselves; in predictable patterns, courage, love, sacrifice, tragedy, foolishness, greed, spite, pettiness and envy etc. after watching that episode a light went on and it occurred to me, how the corporate media couldn't feel anything but enmity toward Al Gore precisely because of his legislative championing of the Internet and they could/would never give him credit for his achievements. They would rather betray the American Peoples' best interests, while slandering and libeling the man for the better part of two years prior to the selection of 2000 and thus enable an inferior; vastly under-qualified boy/man to the most powerful job in the land.

I saw the commonality between Gore's contributions to the American Peoples' First Amendment Rights via empowering them by the Internet and that of Prometheus; in stealing fire and passing it on to humanity; cold and shivering in the dark, only to be chained to a rock by Jupiter/Zeus and have buzzards eat his liver for all eternity. Jupiter or Zeus became enraged because of the perceived and real loss of god like power, humankind would outgrow the Gods. Likewise the corporate media owners/CEOs and lessors knew their power and influence would wane as that of the Internet waxed, however in stead of chowing down on an ever healing liver, the corporate media feasted on Al Gore's credibility by dishing out all manner of slander and libel, great and small.

I have full essay on this subject in my bookmarks.

[omega minimo]

83. Great observations. Please link your essay if you'd like to share here.

:toast:

[Uncle Joe]

86. Here you go.

Peace to you omega minimo.:toast:

"The Power of Myth and Al Gore"
Remember The Titans!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3308880

[omega minimo]

88. Very good. I hope more folks see this. Thanks!!

:toast:

[Uncle Joe]

89. Thanks, omega!

Cheers and have a good night.:toast:

[Odin2005]

96. +1

[Odin2005]

76. Hmmm, good point!

:hi:

[Uncle Joe]

79. Peace to you, Odin

:hi:

[Adam Kirur]

42. True that!

The Sun spends more time in Ophiuchus that Saggittarius!

[I Have A Dream]

4. Thanks, om! I really enjoyed this.

:)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Ha ha ha. Oh wow.

[omega minimo]

10. You got nothing to say?

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. I could point out all the scientific fallacies.

Would you like me to?

[omega minimo]

13. No, b/c you are incapable of the human connection she was speaking of and that's it.

[hfojvt]

55. What jumped out at me was the wrongness of the explanation of retrograde

It's not about passing behind the sun


Since I cannot draw circles on DU (not that it's impossible, but I don't know how) perhaps a linear explanation will work.

Jupiter is travelling in a large circle (okay, Mr. Kepler, it is an ellipse, but not a huge difference for this illustration) and Earth is going around a smaller one. It takes Jupiter something like 12 years to make one orbit. Jupiter goes around the sun once and the earth has gone around 12 times, passing Jupiter every 14 months or so.


Jupiter ***********T1**T2**T3**T4**T5**T6**T7**T8

Earth ****T1****T2****T3****T4****T5****T6****T7****T8


Those are actual positions on the various arcs at Time1, Time2, Time3, etc. Then draw a line between the two times to show Jupiter's relative position in the fixed backdrop of the stars.


******************************T8**T7T6
************************************T5
************************************T4
******************************T1**T2T3


Jupiter ***********T1**T2**T3**T4**T5**T6**T7**T8

Earth ****T1****T2****T3****T4****T5****T6****T7****T8


You can see that at first Jupiter appears to be moving left to right and then changes to right to left apparent motion all while they are on the same side of the sun.

O

There are two other relative direction changes as the earth moves along its circle and changes direction just like if you trace that circle above. From the top. At first you are moving to the right until the 90 degree point when you start moving to the left until the 270 degree point when you start moving to the right again. To the slower runner in the outside lane then for a while it appears you are moving towards them, then away and then towards them again. But when the sun is in between them, say, from the 135 degree point to the 225 degree point, then the relative direction would be the same.

How's that? Clear as mud?

[omega minimo]

59. Yes, the wording was very clumsy.

:spray: hfojvt, now explain onomatopoeia!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

140. It wasn't clumsy, it was just completely wrong.

It'd be clumsy if he just didn't do a good job explaining it.

But he's completely wrong.

Onomatopoeia are words that imitate sounds. Like "woosh" or "splash."
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[Tx4obama]

8. I just wish

that early on Caroline had had a person to coach her on giving speeches.
She has admitted several times that she gets nervous speaking in front of a crowd and it shows.
She is such a lovely person with such a good heart AND A BRAIN and I think if she was a better speaker than she might have gotten that New York senate seat.

I think that the Kennedy era has NOT ended.
There will be the changing of the guard from the old generation to the new, but the Kennedys will not be going anywhere.

There are many already in the spotlight and I am sure we will be hearing more from them since they are all still young...

Joseph Patrick (the ex-congressman MA U.S. House of Representatives)
Robert Jr. (lawyer, environmentalist, on news/talk shows often)
Patrick (RI - U.S. House of Representatives)
Kathleen (ex-Lieutenant Governor of Maryland)
Caroline
Rory (award-winning documentary filmmaker and producer)
and what's up with Robert Kennedy youngest son Douglas Kennedy working for FoxNews? That is just so hard to believe!!!

[Cetacea]

38. She's is very shy. n/t

[smalll]

18. Um, if Caroline had said it, it would have come out more like -- I know, you know, it was

like Jupiter, but it was acting, you know, a lot like, you know, Teddy.

:shrug:

[WI_DEM]

19. how insightful.

[omega minimo]

24. Caroline did an AMAZING job eulogizing her Uncle.

[JohnnyLib2]

30. For sure.

:thumbsup:

[Egnever]

29. WTF?

[Warren Stupidity]

51. did you think before you posted this?

She did say it, and she said it well. Yes she is not good or comfortable with public speaking. We all know that. On the other hand, she is probably a lot better at public posting than you are.

[askthedustbunny]

74. I never, um, you know, understood like, why it was such a big

effing deal, um...that she spoke like that. She is obviously a very sharp person. Used car salespeople are very slick of tongue but we don't need any of those types in public office!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

80. Caroline spoke wonderfully and you're making yourself look silly. Here's the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGv-TuWXS0U

[omega minimo]

90. She held it together. Did a great job. And was charming as usual. Telling stories with love.

[t0dd]

108. What a prick. That's all I have to say. nt

[donheld]

142. If you had a smidgen of the grace Caroline has

you'da kept your trap shut.

[DevonRex]

154. Disgusting is the only word I can come up with that won't be deleted. nt

[MilesColtrane]

20. It's a family member's eulogy.

Caroline consciously used an anthropomorphic metaphor.

How you connected that to the writings of some double-talking loon I'll never know.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. I liked the part where he couldn't even get astrology right.

I mean, how epic a fail is it to mess up made up baloney?

[omega minimo]

26. Connection: We have all had that moment of crisis/intensity/wonder, looking at the sky.........

:hi:

[MilesColtrane]

28. And a few of us have apparently imagined those bodies steering our fate.

I doubt that Caroline Kennedy reads the daily horoscope for anything other than amusement.

[omega minimo]

45. It's easy to reduce the reality of our cyclical universe to a strip of newsprint, isn't it?

A ready made cliche.

Whatever we believe or pay attention to, some of us are not afraid of information, cross references. It's gone out of style with the demise of education and culture but What The Hell.

What is the symbolism of Jupiter? What is the symbolism of Camelot? What is the symbolism of an American tragedy?

Interesting to think about -- or not. :hi:

[MilesColtrane]

48. .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder

[omega minimo]

50. Closemindedness is a thought disorder, a protective device.

Based in fear. Habit. :boring:

[MilesColtrane]

54. It's called skepticism, and it's the opposite of close-mindedness.

[omega minimo]

57. Portraying other disciplines and opinions

as "thought disorder" is not skepticism, it's close-mindedness.

[MilesColtrane]

60. Tangentiality is a symptom of thought disorder.

Connecting an anthropomorphic observation in a eulogy to, whatever that was that you posted, that's an example of tangentiality.

[omega minimo]

63. So whatever you don't understand

or agree or identify with is "a symptom of thought disorder" which is also a disorder -- thought, emotional...?

[MilesColtrane]

66. Res ipsa loquitur

[omega minimo]

69. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6416319&mesg_id=6416610

[MissMarple]

31. Well...OK then.

;)

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. No, that's not what 'retrograde' means, at all

Any competent astrologer would know that, or any astronomer.

It has nothing to do with "where the planet becomes hidden by the Sun".

It is when the apparent motion of the planet against the stars goes backwards. 'Retrograde' means 'step backwards'. This happens because a planet closer to the Sun moves faster than one further away, and so 'overtakes' them in orbit. If a planet "becomes hidden by the Sun", that is an occultation. An occultation of a planet by the Sun is pretty boring to observe, because you just can't see the planet.

Look, here's an animation of apparent retrograde motion, produced by an astrologer:

http://www.flex.com/~jai/astrology/retrograde.html

Retrograde motion is the apparent motion backwards in the sky as viewed from the Earth. Normal motion of planets in the sky is from west to east, but sometimes, outer planets seem to slow to a stop, reverse direction for a time, and then resume their original direction. Ancient astronomers, including the Vedic sage-scientists of Bharat (also known as India), and in China, knew about this. The work of Ptolemy (epicyclic theory) and Copernicus is valued among modern western scientists.

In the above applet, the Earth is the blue planet closest to the Sun, and Mars is the red planet furthest from the Sun. The line drawn in between the Earth and Mars is the line that humans look along in order to see Mars. This line is called the line of sight to Mars. The line of sight continues after Mars, and points to the constellation in which Mars is located. As is demonstrated, the line of sight does not always move in the same direction, but moves opposite its normal direction as the Earth passes Mars in its orbit.

I don't know who 'Boots Hart' is, but she doesn't understand basic astrological (or astronomical) terms. That she claims to be "an ISAR-certified astrologer" at the bottom of her page either means she's lying, or 'ISAR' is an organisation that itself doesn't know or care about astrology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_retrograde_motion

[moriah]

35. I also thought the comment about the Sun and Moon going retrograde....

... could cause time travel was very, very interesting.

As in, ROFL worthy.

Astrology has come up with some useful stuff. The Saturn Return, for instance -- they correlated the angst and maturation that occurs before one turns 30 with that time being the time that Saturn returns to the same place in the sky it was when you were born. Does that mean that Saturn is what makes us feel angst? No. But for people who ask an astrologer around that time "Why is this happening to me?" the advice given -- to start maturing, to accept responsibility, to understand that life may not give you any free rides anymore -- is very effective. Just as alchemists came up with the correlation between rats and the bubonic plague. Their thought for causality was that both rats and the plague were ruled by the Moon -- but their advice to try to keep rats away if they wanted to avoid the plague was good.

Astrology has a lot more validity as an attempt by humans to correlate human behavior with observable patterns than it has to do with nebulous "energy surges".

[omega minimo]

49. And it can be both.

Perhaps the moon cycle affects both the behavior of animals and microorganisms.

Perhaps human behavior and observable patterns and "nebulous "energy surges" " are interrelated.

An example. Solar Flares are known to affect electromagnetic systems, computers and telecommunications on Earth. For some reason, 2009 is too early for human beings to be recognized as electromagnetic beings who are potentially affected by those "nebulous "energy surges."

Any studies on that? I can't find any. Does it happen? Yes.

[moriah]

95. Considering Astrology is a lot more akin to psychology than astronomy...

... as in, the concepts are difficult to weigh and measure (not insulting psychology, but it is harder to calculate/measure emotions than wavelengths)... you may be able to demonstrate correlation, but it is practically impossible to demonstrate causation. Attempts to clarify the nature/nurture duality are all flawed for the one simple fact that it would be unethical to perform a real scientific experiment -- taking randomly chosen twins and separating them at birth and putting them into controlled environments. I don't see any ethical experiments being able to take place to prove causality in birth chart astrology either.

And here I was expecting to get flamed by the people who scoff at anyone who is willing to acknowledge that Astrology might have some validity or the people who resent my "If it works, use it, even if they might be wrong on why it works" approach.

[omega minimo]

47. That could have been written more clearly

It could seem that was what the writer meant in that sentence, until:

"You know—that moment when the planet is just about to disappear behind the Sun, where relative motion and direction of said planet as seen from Earth as it’s speeding along its orbit vis-à-vis the Sun’s position makes it appear (from Earth) that said planet "stops"? That would be the station—which astrology refers to as a "turning point"—after which, speed and position make it appear as if it’s backing up. You know, retrograde."

[muriel_volestrangler]

56. No, the writer has got it completely wrong:

That this really can’t happen is all about how retrogrades occur. Retrogrades are bout the lining up of planets as seen from Earth, where the planet becomes hidden by the Sun.

No. Retrograde motion can only happen when the Earth and the planet concerned are on the same side of the Sun. If the planet is on the opposite side of the Sun from the Earth, then the planet will be moving faster, as measured by its movement against the background of the stars, than at other times, in its normal direction.

Obviously the Sun can’t hide behind itself, and the Moon being so close, there’s no chance it’s going to ever be behind the Sun either.

It has nothing to do with "hiding behind the Sun".

All this leads to the fact that science has actually proven that this "going behind the Sun" thing has an effect—which on its face proves the astrological precept of stations.

No, because the 'stations' happen when the planet and the Earth are on the same side of the Sun.

You know—that moment when the planet is just about to disappear behind the Sun,

No, as already explained, that is not a station.

where relative motion and direction of said planet as seen from Earth as it’s speeding along its orbit vis-à-vis the Sun’s position makes it appear (from Earth) that said planet "stops"?

No, retrograde motion has nothing to do with the Sun's position. It's to do with where the planet is relative to the stars. Copernicus explained it's because the Earth and all planets are in orbit round the Sun, but you don't determine retrograde motion by reference to the Sun's position in the sky.

The problem is, the bullshit after that all depends on this claim that, during retrograde, the Sun is between the planet and the Earth. But it isn't - during retrograde, both planets are always on the same side of the Sun.

Ask any proper astrologer - there should be plenty in the Astrology group who understand this. 'Boots Hart' has got this completely wrong, and seems to be making up crap as she goes along. She is clueless about retrograde motion, and hasn't even bothered to look up what other astrologers or astronomers say about it to cover her ignorance.

[omega minimo]

61. It's worded poorly and clarified "you know" in the paragraph provided in reply to you.

:thumbsup: which was the part about Jupiter.

[muriel_volestrangler]

81. It shows she doesn't know when a planet is retrograde, at all

which means that her use of the idea of 'retrograde' in the whole piece is pretty laughable. She even returns to it, with "(i)f we remember the original setup where the planet moves behind the Sun," towards the end of it. You see, there is no 'planet behind the Sun' in retrograde motion, so it shows it's not just a question of 'poor wording' - she really doesn't know what she's talking about.

I never thought I'd say this, but she's a fake astrologer.

[omega minimo]

84. Thank you for pointing out those deficiencies.

It certainly, "ya know," has a poppy tone.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. omega minimo: please review the copyright rules in use on DU

Do not post entire copyrighted articles. If you wish to reference an article, provide a brief excerpt and include a link to the original source. Generally, excerpts should not exceed three or four paragraphs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[omega minimo]

43. Jupiter

http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/boots.shtml

Jupiter is the knowledge and drive which allows us to expand, while Saturn signifies all the tools which allow us to structure, realize and solidify gain. Poised between the transpersonal and strictly personal, this duo images the direction in which we aim our interactions with world society. (Knowledge + Tools = Ability).

The nature of and challenges to the process of interacting is "lunar nodal." Where the nodes are in any chart describes both the directives through which we succeed, and of efforts that ultimately prove unproductive. This big picture/small picture link between the Moon and Saturn is seen in their orbits: that of Saturn is 29.46 years in length and that of the Moon is 29.53 days in length (this being the lunar orbit not month, we’re referring to).

But where lunar nodes are about linking to and operating in the world, Jupiter and Saturn describe the knowledge and structures we seek to build, those we meet up with and the tools or knowledge  we need to acquire in order to cope with that world and get our structures up and running. And yes, they’re a real cosmic pair. Jupiter is "full steam ahead!" where Saturn is "let’s think a moment as not to waste time and effort here." Saturn is ethics, where Jupiter is morality—which makes Jupiter the law in theory and Saturn the hard realities which are governed (or not) by law, as well as efforts we have to make to be lawful/legal. Jupiter is in charge of punishments which come from breaking laws or losses which come from lack of protection under the law, or by those entrusted to enforce the law. Saturn is the structuring nature of intellect, where emotion-based motivation is Jupiter.

One spends (Jupiter), the other saves (Saturn), which when taken too far is splurging versus playing miser.  One shoots for the Moon and beyond (Jupiter) and one sees no reason to explore  when we have problems we have right here on Earth (Saturn). By itself, Jupiter can be way over-optimistic and Saturn can be deadly pessimistic. Yet we need Saturn—this is the symbol of recognition of flaws, along with the will to undertake the work required to repair, preserve, conserve and rebuild things. And we need Jupiter, lest we do nothing but save—hence the warning you can’t take it with you.  

[ConnorMarc]

37. Am I The Only One That Finds Caroline Kennedy To Be Kinda Hot?

I used to think she was homely, particularly around the time of John John's untimely demise.

But of late, particular around the time of her recent attempt to enter the political arena in NYC, I found her to be quite fetching.

She grew on me like fellow hottie Rachel Maddow.

OR maybe I'm just weird?

Things that make me go hmmmm....

[Cetacea]

39. +1

[omega minimo]

46. A strong, gracious, intelligent, kind, charismatic, middle aged woman, you find attractive?

born of two of the handsomest American figures of the 20th Century?

:toast:

[Warren Stupidity]

53. She has been in my heart since 1961, nt

[omega minimo]

58. +

:hug:

[NeedleCast]

41. Sigh...

We think an adult who believes in Santa is crazy, but believe that some large hunks of rock, gas or ice orbiting in the void effect your feelings and you get get an "official" certification in it.

[omega minimo]

52. Pat on back...

"And this is why, by extension, the rest of astrology has validity. All cosmic objects have mass. All have gravitational portent. Electro-magnetic effects and tails and things like that. All create "ripples" in the fabric of space/time as they move along their orbits.   

Why would scienctists have a problem with that? It seems more preposterous IMHO to think the movements of space have nothing to do with the creatures living in it. :spray:

[LanternWaste]

62. DU-- where no good sentiment goes uncriticized.

DU-- where no good sentiment goes uncriticized.

Nice post. :hi:

[omega minimo]

64. Thank you

for that and for not being threatened by ideas you may not necessarily agree with. :rofl: :toast:

[Cha]

67. Teddy was a Pisces!~ Thank you for that heart wrenching

tribute to Ted Kennedy from Caroline..she was perfect.

Teddy had Jupiter in Leo..no wonder he had such a big heart, awesome connection to kids, and a Lion in the Senate.B-)

[askthedustbunny]

73. I am curious what this has to do with the price of eggs...

I mean, how does your OP have anything to do with Caroline's quote? I didn't see her cited in your article blurb, nor on one of the links I clicked on.

If she was saying that his passing is related to some astrological alignment, I can go for that.

[Lionel Mandrake]

85. There is a place for this kind of crap.

It's called the Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing Group.

[omega minimo]

87. There is a place for converging ideas.

Maybe not in your mind. :shrug:

[Lionel Mandrake]

94. "converging ideas"?

You mean like Hegel's thesis, antithesis, synthesis?

Or more like "harmonic convergence"?

The latter is a contradiction in terms, since the harmonic series diverges.

That's science - something you wouldn't know about.

It is no accident that the 17th-century scientific revolution coincided with the marginalization of astrology. What was once taken seriously by kings and astronomers is now mostly relegated, as it should be, to the fringes of society.

Astrology probably won't disappear any time soon, since it is both a scam and a source of entertainment for the intellectually challenged.

[omega minimo]

99. Please wave your bully club elsewhere

There must be some other marginalized, "fringe" topic for you to feel superior about

[Lionel Mandrake]

103. Sure, there are other forms of superstition:

numerology, secrets of the great pyramid, crystal power, etc.

But yours seems to be astrology, which has a unique history.

Astrology was closely related to astronomy for thousands of years, but this changed during the seventeenth century. Astrology became marginalized. No longer were astronomers expected to cast horoscopes for important people. This is a matter of historical fact, not a question of feelings.

[omega minimo]

105. The marginalizers with bully clubs are not unique in history

They wrote it.

Don't be so proud of your truncated knowledge.

[Lionel Mandrake]

110. You are not making sense.

I wrote that astrology, not "marginalizers with bully clubs", has a unique history. You aren't even disputing what I wrote. Instead, you are parroting my words and paying no attention to context.

Do you really think that "marginalizers with bully clubs" (your inane phrase) wrote the history of astrology? Are you proud to be ignorant of both history and science?

You should try thinking rationally, if you are capable of it.

[omega minimo]

112. ROFL Of course not

because of your truncated history and your pride/investment in it.

The difference between us is not being on the different sides of a battle for dominance, but that the dominant has a built in and self protective HATRED and DISGUST with that which it has absorbed and attempted to degrade/disappear.

That won't make sense to you either, you will insult my intelligence again, proving how well that mechanism works. Congratulations!!!! :toast: (you're even insisting that I "argue" your way, respond to you in the way YOU approve...... :thumbsdown:)

Oh yeah, and the flip side is, the "losers" don't waste energy being hateful toward the deluded dominators.

It doesn't really matter the topic, I'm continuously surprised on DU by how hostile people are to other POVs that don't fit their scripts. (Shouldn't be, see above). Shows how entrenched chauvinism is in this culture.

The fact that some feel justified in their hatred and abuse of others' POVs proves how thoughtless and automatic are those protective mechanisms, embedded in the history and traditions of the "winners."

[Lionel Mandrake]

116. "Your mind is on vacation, and your mouth is working overtime"

That song by Mose Allison comes to mind when I read your latest comments. Except that on DU, it's not your mouth, but your fingers, that are working overtime.

I wrote, "You are not making sense," to which your replied, "ROFL Of course not ...

Good. You admit to being incoherent. But then you continue, with characteristic disregard for logic:

"... because of your truncated history and your pride/investment in it."

How do my faults (real or imaginary) cause you to not make sense? Perhaps you mean that you are making sense in a way I don't recognize. Or maybe making sense is not important to you. It's hard to tell what you mean when you string words together so carelessly.

I could go on deconstructing your silly comments, but what's the point? You are either unable or unwilling to think rationally.

Which is it?

[omega minimo]

122. You are not making sense

You do not know history.

The difference between us is not being on the different sides of a battle for dominance,
but that the dominant has a built in and self protective HATRED and DISGUST
with that which it has absorbed and attempted to degrade/disappear.

That is the history you ignore or never learned. That's how it works.
What doesn't make sense is the self righteousness of those who are brainwashed by it.

You are bullying, you went ahead and insulted -- as predicted -- my intelligence again, proving how well that mechanism works.
You're even insisting that I "argue" your way, respond to you in the way YOU approve.

What really makes sense is to think you will get what you want that way.
All you want -- you don't want an answer -- you want to marginalize.
As you stated from the get go.

Easier to believe in your truncated history if reality doesn't intrude.

:hi:

[Lionel Mandrake]

124. You are repeating yourself,

except for the assertion that I do not know history, which you support as follows:

"the dominant has a built in and self protective HATRED and DISGUST with that which it has absorbed and attempted to degrade/disappear.
That is the history you ignore or never learned."

If that is history, you're right: I never learned it.

My truncated version of history is so limited that I require times and places to be identified before I recognize a statement as historical.

By the way, "disappear" is intransitive.

Have you ever considered going back to school and learning how to read, write, and think? Even a little knowledge would be better than the complete ignorance you continue to display here.

[omega minimo]

125. You are not making sense

Chauvinism is no excuse.

[arcadian]

156. Did you draw up a star chart for that prediction?

:rofl: you = too much :rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

158. It makes a certain amount of sense.

She's complaining about "bullies" while attacking your intelligence in the same breath.

It's self-contradictory, but it makes a certain simple sense.

[anigbrowl]

93. Yes - the DUstbin

that's where multipage copypasta screeds about imaginary 'energetics' belong. This thread is made of fail, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised considering the source.

[omega minimo]

100. another personal attack courtesy of anigbrowl

[Lionel Mandrake]

104. No, it isn't. n/t

[omega minimo]

106. Yes. It is.

Consider the source.

[Lionel Mandrake]

109. The source is Boots Hart, not you.

[greyl]

107. hypocrisy maximo

"truncated thinkers", "without the skill", "shortsighted", "you flat earth folk", "so stilted" - those are all from you.

[omega minimo]

113. Did you cherrypick

each out of context, to add to the chip on your shoulder?

Those are not personal attacks.

Perhaps you can't tell the difference.

As usual, if something doesn't apply to "you," it doesn't apply -- and wasn't applied -- to "you."

[Lionel Mandrake]

117. Right you are.

Don't bother trying to parse her reply. It's incoherent, like most of what she writes.

She does know how to snarl.

[omega minimo]

126. When will the bullies learn

[JVS]

146. Is this also known as the Woo-woo forum?

[Owl]

97. Astrology?

:rofl:

[bananas]

98. Transcript

Ted Kennedy Memorial Service: Caroline Kennedy
August 29, 1:43 PMUS Headlines ExaminerCharisse Van Horn

Watch Ted Kennedy Funeral Live Now
Ted Kennedy Memorial Service: Caroline Kennedy


Caroline Kennedy, left, and her son John arrive at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library in Boston where the casket of Sen. Edward Kennedy will be taken, Saturday, Aug. 29, 2009. Kennedy died late Tuesday after a battle with cancer. He was 77. Photo credit: AP


CAROLINE KENNEDY, NIECE OF SENATOR KENNEDY: Thank you, Mr. Vice president and all of the speakers tonight for the gifts of Teddy that you have given to all of us. Thank you, Vicki, for loving him with all your heart for so many years, bringing him so much happiness.

To Kara, Teddy, Patrick, Kiki, Kara and Caroline, you're making him so proud, bringing him so much joy. To Gene, I know you've lost your soul mate, because you and Teddy lit each others' lives for your whole entire lives. And all your nieces and nephews are here to help you as best we can.

Welcome to this library that Teddy built and brought to life with his spirit and dedication to public service. As many of you know, over the last few years, or really, for most of my semi-adult life -- one of my part-time jobs has been introducing Teddy to crowds of people who already knew him incredibly well.

(LAUGHTER)

Caroline Kennedy: Although this was unbelievably stressful for me, it was just another one of the gifts that he gave me.

When he saw that I was nervous, he would give me a pat on the back. When he knew that I was said, he would call up and say: "I have got a great idea. There's a convention coming up. And maybe you would like to introduce me."

(LAUGHTER)

Caroline Kennedy: And off I would go on another adventure in public speaking.

But, no matter how nervous I was, I always knew that, when I stepped down from the podium, I would get a big kiss and hear him whisper, "Now I'm going to get you back." And I can't believe that's not going to happen tonight. The other night, after Vicki called, Ed and I went outside. It was a beautiful summer night. The moon had set. There was no wind. The sea was calm and the stars were out.

I looked up, and there was this one star hanging low in the sky that was just bigger than all the rest and brighter than all the rest, with a twinkle and a sparkle louder than all the others.

I know it was Jupiter, but it was acting a lot like Teddy.

(LAUGHTER)

Caroline Kennedy: His colleagues have spoken tonight about his work, his devotion to the Senate, the joy he took in helping others, his thoughtfulness and compassion, his inspirational courage, and his commitment to the ideals of peace and justice that his brothers gave their lives for and that he fought for his entire career.

In our family, we were lucky to see his passion, his self- discipline and his generosity of heart every single day. He had a special relationship with each of his 28 nieces and nephews and with the 60 people who called him Great Uncle Teddy. He was there for every baptism, every school trip to Washington, every graduation, and every wedding with his big heart, his big shoulders, and a big hug.

He knew when we were having a tough time or a great time, and he would just show up and say, it's time to go sailing. He convinced us that we could ace the next test, make the varsity team, win the next race, whether it was sailing or politics.

And it was OK if we didn't, as long as we tried our best. He did it by letting us know that he believed in us, so we should believe in ourselves. He taught by example and with love. He showed us how to keep going, no matter how hard things were, to love each other, no matter how mad we got, and keep working for what we believe in.

He never told us what to do. He just did it himself and we learned from his example. Though it was sometimes overshadowed by his other gifts, Teddy was a creative spirit. He loved painting and singing in the natural world and the sea. He was always looking for new ways to bring people together to make a better world, to get things done.

And he was always doing things that other people could have done, but he was somehow the one who did it. It's as true in the Senate, as we have heard tonight, as it is in our family.

So, I thought I would tell you a little bit about one of the less-known examples, his creation of the annual family history trips. Visiting historical sites is something anyone can do, but Teddy made it into something special.

He realized that a family reunion was wasted if it was just a cookout, so he made it a chance to learn and share the love of history that he got from his mother and Honey Fitz. In my childhood, these trips were relatively simple affairs, an occasional visit to the Nantucket Whaling Museum, or a western Massachusetts campaign swing that included the Crane's paper factory where dollar bills were printed and the studio where Daniel Chester French created the statue of Abraham Lincoln.

And no visit to grandma's house was complete without Teddy's recitation of "The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere." When I was young, I thought Teddy was just entertaining us, but, as I grew up, I realized he was passing down his belief that each of us has the chance to change the course of history.

Teddy lived for the future, though he loved the past, though, when a new generation came along, in typical Teddy style, he decided to take it all to a new level. He wanted us all to share his love of being together, his passion for history, and to learn about the sacrifices upon which this country was built, so that we would understand our own opportunities and obligations.

He took this on with enthusiasm and his organizational magic, helped, as always, by the extraordinary team that are all here tonight and will be working for him forever.

(APPLAUSE)

Caroline Kennedy: Teddy illuminated the world around us and brought the past to life. The trips were open to everyone. And although there was always some pre-trip moaning and groaning among the teenagers, no one ever wanted to stay home.

We visited the monuments of Washington by night, and Mount Vernon by boat. We walked the Civil War battlefields of Antietam, Fredericksburg, Manassas, Harpers Ferry, and Gettysburg. In Richmond, we saw the Tredegar Iron Works and the church where Patrick Henry made his immortal speak about liberty.

We went to Fort McHenry in Baltimore, Valley Forge and Constitution Hall in Philadelphia. We walked across the Brooklyn Bridge and learned about the Battle of Long Island. But the culmination of this tradition was our trip to Boston.

We took a ride on the Old Cape Railway and learned about the building of the Cape Cod Canal. On the way to Boston, we went to Plymouth Rock. When we got here, we visited the U.S. Constitution saved by Honey Fitz, Bunker Hill, Paul Revere's House, the Old North Church, the Old South Meeting House, the house where grandma was born, and the spot where the Irish immigrants came ashore.

We toured the Kennedy Library and had a picnic at the Boston Harbor Lighthouse. Although the rule for history trips was that they were day trips only, we all knew that, to Teddy, Boston was special. He had a surprise for us, which was that we were going to get to camp -- the chance to camp out on Thompson Island.

He didn't tell us that, for most of the year, this facility is used for juvenile detention until...

(LAUGHTER)

Caroline Kennedy: ... until after we had set up our tents in the dirt. It was about 98 degrees. The bugs were out. It smelled like low tide all night long. And the planes from Logan were taking off and landing right over our heads.

(LAUGHTER)

Caroline Kennedy: We figured Teddy was trying to teach us something, but, after a boiling hot 16-hour history day with 20 children under 10, we weren't quite sure what it was.

(LAUGHTER)

Caroline Kennedy: In any event, that was when Teddy decided that even he had had enough of history, finally, and snuck out under cover of darkness on his secret getaway boat and headed for the Ritz.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

Caroline Kennedy: Once again, he had it all figured out.

(LAUGHTER)

Caroline Kennedy: Yesterday, as we drove the same route up from the cape, I thought about all the gifts that Teddy gave us and the incredible journey he took.

I thought about how lucky I am to have traveled some of that journey with him and with all the wonderful people that he embraced, so many of whom are here tonight. I thought about how he touched so many hearts and did so many things that only he could have done.

I thought, too, about all the things he did that we all could do, but we just figured Teddy would do them instead. As we drove through the Boston that he loved, and saw the thousands of people who loved him back, I realized that it was our final history trip together.

Now Teddy has become a part of history. And we have become the ones who have to do all the things he would have done, for us, for each other and for our country.

(APPLAUSE)

Embedded video from CNN Video

[csziggy]

101. "Astrologers wouldn't know reality if someone hit them over the head with a Klein bottle."

"Astrologers wouldn't know reality if someone hit them over the head with a Klein bottle."
Bob Berman, "Strange Universe: Facing Reality" Astrology, July 2009

[elana i am]

102. hmmm...

We"re also going to bypass the other end of the scale—the transpersonal planets: Pluto, Uranus and Neptune.

pluto is no longer classified as a planet. it's a big chunk of ice out there in a mass of other big chunks of ice. 44 other asteroids like pluto have been discovered. they call them "dwarf planets" but they're not large enough, round enough or stable enough to be called true planets.

no comment on astrology. :boring:

[Cetacea]

115. Caroline's observation was astronomically correct.

As Venus is not currently the "evening star" Jupiter is the brightest object in the sky.

[omega minimo]

127. I hoped to connect with that human moment

I didn't do a great job of constructing the OP
As MV pointed out, there were a lot of flaws in the essay AND I could have edited to the four final paragraphs re: Jupiter.

A hazard of the medium perhaps, that some latch on to one phrase and worry it like a dog with a stinky sock, refusing to look up at the big, bright yard (or sky) full of possibilities.

I wonder if cetaceans waste their brain power and oceanic energies sniping at each other as we "superior" beings do.

[kskiska]

118. Nietzsche quote:

"One must have chaos within oneself to give birth to a dancing star."

[Lionel Mandrake]

121. But what did Nietzsche have in mind?

The brief quote is far from self-explanatory. Some interpretation is called for. Interpretation requires context. The more extensive quotation below is still short enough, I hope, that the English version won't violate copyright.

In Also sprach Zarathustra, prologue 5, Nietzsche wrote:

Ich sage euch: man muß noch Chaos in sich haben, um einen tanzenden Stern gebären zu können. Ich sage euch: ihr habt noch Chaos in euch.

Wehe! Es kommt die Zeit, wo der Mensch keinen Stern mehr gebären wird. Wehe! Es kommt die Zeit des verächtlichsten Menschen, er sich selber nicht mehr verachten kann.

Seht! Ich zeige euch den letzten Menschen.

“Was ist Liebe? Was ist Schöpfung? Was ist Sehnsucht? Was ist Stern?”—so fragt der letzte Mensch und blinzelt.

Die Erde ist dann klein geworden, und auf ihr hüpft der letzte Mensch, der alles klein macht. Sein Geschlecht ist unaustilgbar wie der Erdfloh; der letzte Mensch lebt am längsten.

“Wir haben das Glück erfunden”—sagen die letzten Menshen und blinzeln

In Walter Kaufmann's translation, this reads:

I say unto you: one must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. I say unto you: you still have chaos in yourselves.

Alas, the time is coming when man will no longer give birth to a star. Alas, the time of the most despicable man is coming, he that is no longer able to despise himself. Behold, I show you the last man.

“What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star? Thus asks the last man, and he blinks.

The earth has become small, and on it hops the last man, who makes everything small. His race is as ineradicable as the flea beetle; the last man lives longest.

“We have invented happiness,” say the last men, and they blink."

What is this all about? Nietzsche seems to be warning of a future dystopia, something like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, in which everyone is happy but there is no longer any creativity.

[omega minimo]

131. For contest on Nietzsche, read Alice Miller.

[omega minimo]

128. mmmmmm. Nice touch. Thanks kskiska!

:toast:

[Orsino]

119. The right-wing attempts to politicize Kennedy's death are shameful.

Attempting to astrologize it? Less odious, I guess, than trying to use modern physics to shore up astrology. :shrug:

It was a nice speech, even though Jupiter doesn't twinkle.

[omega minimo]

132. Please excuse this clumsy OP

It could have been better crafted, as has been pointed out and acknowledged.

I hoped to connect that human moment that we all (?) have experienced of at SOME point -- maybe one of personal loss or intensity as hers was -- had a similar epiphany or connection with the natural world, with the sky and heavenly bodies.

"The other night, after Vicki called, Ed and I went outside. It was a beautiful summer night The moon had set There was no wind
The sea was calm and The stars were out. I looked up and There was this one star, Hanging low in the sky
That was just bigger than all the rest Brighter than all the rest, With a twinkle and a sparkle Louder than all the others.
I know it was Jupiter -- but it was acting a lot like Teddy."

From Carolyn Kennedy's eulogy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGv-TuWXS0U


What if to her eye, at that moment, Jupiter did "twinkle"? What if it's too easy for the naysayers and threadkillers to hop onto ONE word/concept/sentence and fixate, strangulate a thread, invested in getting the response THEY demand and anything else ITNSHO is irrelevant and mockworthy.

What if we are human beings having an experience and saying things that distanced, disconnected theoretical assbites cannot dare relate to......

What then, of humanity, culture, art, literature, music and yes, even science?

She was grieving for gawdsake and " looked up and There was this one star, Hanging low in the sky
That was just bigger than all the rest Brighter than all the rest, With a twinkle and a sparkle Louder than all the others.
I know it was Jupiter -- but it was acting a lot like Teddy."


GUAFB.

[subcomhd]

120. Kicked eom

[omega minimo]

133. Hey ya'll

How's the weather in RNS? :pals:

[subcomhd]

136. hot :-) eom

[deaniac21]

123. Pluto always reminded me of myself, then they took away it's

planetary status. Assholes.

[subcomhd]

130. I'm sorry

that sucks for you, and pluto.

[omega minimo]

134. Are you colder, now in ice status?

:scared:

[moriah]

143. I dunno.. would you rather be a planet, a comet, or a Kuiper-belt object? n/t

[armyowalgreens]

129. Whoa...astrology? No thank you.

It's entertaining to follow, but it's completely fictional.

[omega minimo]

135. It's not completely fictional. It's history. Here pointed out as truncated and distorted by

those who must marginalize is because it supports their allegiance to a system that -- historically -- destroyed indigenous culture wherever it tread, to this day...........................................

I would recommend highly the site this essay was linked from, although it has many flaws as have been pointed out. My endorsement of the site is why I grabbed it too quick and edited it insufficiently.

Not trying to make excuses for this writer. AFAIK, no one POV applies completely to any subject.

My POV on astrology is based on those that I find dependable because they confirm AFTER THE FACT my own observations and experience.

DaykeeperJournal.com is one of those.

[Odin2005]

137. One problem, after the fact "conformations" are not science.

Exactly because of the Forer Effect and Confirmation Bias. One needs falsifiable PREDICTIONS.

[omega minimo]

138. I've got those too.

[Odin2005]

139. I'd like to see them!

:) :hi:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

152. Falsifiable predictions, omega minimo

Not falsified predictions.

[TransitJohn]

147. LOL

Thank you for a good morning chuckle. Now I'm gonna be remembering Nancy Reagan all day.

[arcadian]

159. That fact that she knew it was Jupiter and not a star speaks volumes.

I seriously doubt most astrology proponents could do the same.

[Lionel Mandrake]

160. "CAP"

as in "Boots Hart, CAP"
stands for "Certified Astrological Professional".

The "certification" comes from an obscure group claiming to be "the most prestigious international organization in the world".

These "professionals" are running a scam which thrives on ignorance and superstition. Some of them probably believe their own bullshit.