This is why I do not support the war in Afghanistan...

[armyowalgreens]

""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962)."- The Oath of Enlistment


The important word in that passage is "defend". It implies that the soldier will be protecting the US and it's laws from an offensive attack.

So we must ask ourselves, are we currently being attacked by any enemy, either foreign or domestic? The answer is no.


The US armed forces are not offensive tools. They are not to be used to attack potential threats.

We do not go to war because there is a "risk" of attack. We do not go to war to overthrow foreign governments that have done nothing to harm the US. We do not preemptively attack.

We DO NOT go to war to protect US financial interests.


It is not the role of the armed forces to protect or liberate a people other than the people of the United States.


We are betraying our soldiers when we do not hold up our end of the contract. They DID NOT sign up for this.


The troops must be brought home. End the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan NOW.

[tazkcmo]

1. Damned straight!

Rec

[Taverner]

2. Sending in a strike team to apprehend or destroy Bin Laden would be defending it

Occupying their country for the foreseeable future would not be

[armyowalgreens]

3. It depends on the sovereignty of the nation that the enemy resides in.

And whether or not they are still a legitimate threat.

But I mostly agree.

[Liberation Angel]

6. OTOH

Since it is fairly well known that the 9-11 attack was MIHOP and that Bush operatives and agents carried it out, shouldn't the mrines be in Crawford and Kinnebunkport and be done with it?

Just sayin'

Prosecute the criminals RIGHT HERE in the USA. Arrest 'em and give them the punishment for treason (As a pacifist i say LIFE IN PRISON)

Doing THAT would be defending that.

Maybe Holder has the cojones do do it. But even in Chile it took them more than 30 years to get the bastards who did it (and Bush was involved there too)

Maybe Chile will prosecute Bush. Cheney and Rummy (and Kissinger)

[armyowalgreens]

7. All 9/11 "truthers" please feel free to go find another thread...

We want actual fact in here. Not conspiracy bullshit.

[Liberation Angel]

14. I guess seeking the truth is not seeking actual facts?

I don't get it.

I do not call myself a "truther" (labels are ridiculous and designed to undermine the truth and obfuscate the facts)

But IF in fact the 9-11 attacks were NOT run from Afghanistan (and the facts indicate that saudi and even CIA money went into Al Qaeda's and Osama's hands) then we are fighting the war based on lies and mistakes.

By claiming the war is legitimate BECAUSE of 9-11 may be completely false.

But since we do NOT have all the facts and truth on 9-11 we cannot even know if THAT "justification" for "getting the terrorists THERE is justified.

Not to mention the killing of civilians that came out today by our missiles.

Who are the terrorists?

I say we need to look in our own backyards.

and I believe it is a legitimate response whenever 9-11 is used to "justify" this war by Obama or anyone else.

9-11 WAS a conspiracy anyway. Whose conspiracy is the question. I BELIEVE MIHOP. And if it was MIHOP or LIHOP then there is absolutely no justification for 9-11 as an excuse for this war in Afghanistan.
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[Taverner]

8. Um, sorry. I can buy "looked the other way" but we are talking the most incompetent admin in history

For Bush, Looking the other way meant staring off into space for seven minutes

[robdogbucky]

16. Strawman

Incompetent? PNAC, et al seems to be carrying out their agenda, despite recent elections to the contrary. Strange that, don't you think?

What makes you think Bush's contollers/handlers even told him about it? How do you fake that look on his face while reading My Pet Goat?

Can't have it both ways, of course if MIHOP, it wasn't ol' DimSum that did the making part of that.

We do not know the truth, that much is true.

To use an emotionally charged event, designed to mold public opinion is either incredibly naive or truly evil.



Just my dos centavos

robdogbucky

[robdogbucky]

17. Who edited my post?

That is not what it looks like.

What has this place become?

[armyowalgreens]

4. Bump. Let's keep this shit balanced.

[Swamp Rat]

5. This is why I do not support the war in Afghanistan...

[Creena]

9. I do not support the war in Afghanistan because...

...we do more harm than good in the country. While the Taliban is horrific, I feel it's the military's responsibility to defend and they're not doing that in Afghanistan.

[armyowalgreens]

10. Exactly. Clearly the Taliban is a bad organization...

But the US cannot afford to attack every bad organization in the world. We simply are incapable of doing so.

[Mari333]

11. knr

[armyowalgreens]

12. Bump.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Afghanistan is a lost war now being fought so the Democrats can prove their "tough on terror".

People are dying for PR and slogans.

[Union Yes]

15. KNR. It's time to end these fucking immoral wars. Our troops deserve better.

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