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Sun Sep-06-09 06:19 PM
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"You won't find them on the Fire line in the American west", says a firefighter on 60 minutes |
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responding to "Some people say there is no climate change" Maybe people should listen to those like him who actually deal with the reality instead of paid liars.
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Sun Sep-06-09 06:35 PM
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4. More sentences good. Blanks fill in. Fire season West every year. Duh. |
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What else did he say? :eyes:
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Sun Sep-06-09 06:45 PM
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5. I thought my little summary conveyed the essence, but he also said |
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(paraphrasing) "10 or 15 years ago, we would have thought a 100,000 acre fire was almost unheard of...now they're fairly common. We can see firsthand the higher temperatures and the drier conditions..." Stuff like that.
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Sun Sep-06-09 06:51 PM
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6. Ah. Yearly cycle, more extreme. Thanks for more. Patterns shifting all over US. |
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Mon Sep-07-09 02:57 PM
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29. How long have lawsuits kept controlled burns from being done? |
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Some of the brush had been there dried for 50 years. Of course it's going to get worse as old dry brush piles up and we do nothing about it.
The Forest Service spends much of its time battling lawsuits against controlled burns instead of actually doing the burns.
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Mon Sep-07-09 01:05 PM
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26. I grew up here in California |
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and "fire season" was never like this.
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Mon Sep-07-09 02:19 PM
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28. I worked during fire season in the 60s. |
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I did it two seasons in San Diego County. Largest fire I went on was maybe 400 acres.
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Sun Sep-06-09 07:50 PM
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7. Those people are amazing. Why do they do what they do? |
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Service? Selflessness? Adrenaline junkies?
I can't even imagine working in 140F temperatures at 6,000 ft.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:23 PM
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Mon Sep-07-09 05:42 PM
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31. I do believe there's another word for it. |
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Mon Sep-07-09 10:01 AM
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17. It runs on blood lines. Grandfathers, fathers, son, and daughters now too... |
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Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 10:04 AM by 1monster
I lived in a area where all the fire companies were volunteer. The volunteer fire fighters families would literally have three generations of fire fighers members at any given time.
It becomes a way of life. The fire company was their family and their social life. The kids grew up with it, participated in all aspects of that life, voluteering not just to fight fires, but to fund raise, march in parades, work in booths at fund raising festivals, et als.
Many also became EMTs and were voluntary ambulance drivers.
The voluteers came from all walks of life: the local Postmaster, the farmer, the sales sales clerk, the line worker at the local railroad repair shops, etc., etc.
All the kids wanted to be firemen when they turned 18.
on edits: loads of typos this a.m.
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Mon Sep-07-09 10:11 AM
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19. I know two personally. |
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and they both seem to have this weird calm and soft-spoken nature about them. Far from being adrenaline junkies, I think they are actually adrenaline-deficient. Never experienced panic and wouldn't recognize it if they did. But testosterone--that's squirting out their ears.
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Mon Sep-07-09 05:44 PM
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32. The Indian firefighters consider themselves modern-day warriors. |
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Right now there is a team from a Pueblo in New Mexico, and I know some of them.
Please keep them in your thoughts.
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Sun Sep-06-09 11:32 PM
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10. don't go injecting sense into an issue, for gawd's sake |
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Mon Sep-07-09 04:08 AM
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12. that was a good piece (it was also a rerun) n/t |
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Mon Sep-07-09 06:55 AM
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13. Global Warming is very real |
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Mon Sep-07-09 07:54 AM
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15. The deniers are like the armchair warmongers who believe that war |
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is a good thing. Five-Deferment-Dick is merely the most obvious.
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Mon Sep-07-09 09:44 AM
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16. they are reject tools of corporate America and the right wing extremist oligarchy |
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they are the same losers who remained loyal to the King of England
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Mon Sep-07-09 10:06 AM
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18. Republicons AWOL in service to America. As usual. |
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They are also AWOL from dealing with reality.
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Mon Sep-07-09 11:08 AM
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21. I was mad at the 60 mins reporter who said A LOT OF PEOPLE |
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don't believe global warming is real.
The more accurate statement would have been-- millions of dollars have been spent to convince Americans that global warming is controversial, that it isn't real.
Or even-- some people in America don't believe global warming is real.
Or I'd like to have heard the reporter say-- in spite of the fact that 99.9% of scientists around the world believe global warming is real and serious solutions are urgently needed, some Americans have been encouraged to believe it isn't real.
Still, I'm glad the firefighter told the reporter that he wouldn't find global warming deniers in his ranks.
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Mon Sep-07-09 11:13 AM
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22. I was mad at the 60 mins reporter who said A LOT OF PEOPLE |
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don't believe global warming is real.
The more accurate statement would have been-- millions of dollars have been spent to convince Americans that global warming is controversial, that it isn't real.
Or even-- some people in America don't believe global warming is real.
Or I'd like to have heard the reporter say-- in spite of the fact that 99.9% of scientists around the world believe global warming is real and serious solutions are urgently needed, some Americans have been encouraged to believe it isn't real.
Still, I'm glad the firefighter told the reporter that he wouldn't find global warming deniers in his ranks.
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Mon Sep-07-09 11:47 AM
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23. I saw that last night too on 60 minutes |
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Mon Sep-07-09 11:55 AM
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24. Ya won't find them on any line other than the one that feeds, or pays them |
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They do not HELP....
The GOP only sucks in money power
They hate to contribute to the Nation..
They are base level shit heads...unable to compute ....8 x 9 is alien to 50% or more....
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Mon Sep-07-09 02:04 PM
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They help by PRAYING.... and making sure everyone knows they are religious.
They distrust science and anything high brow... yet benefit and take for granted all science has done for them.
Science haters should not use the benefits of science. They should forgo medicine, electricity, the internal combustion engine, treated lumber, stoves, air conditioners, machine made clothes of machine woven cloth...and on and on. They can go back to being hunter/gatherers....and leave the rest of us alone.
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Mon Sep-07-09 12:00 PM
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25. Millions of acres have burned in Alaska since 2004. |
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Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 12:01 PM by Blue_In_AK
In 2004 and 2005 alone, over 11 million acres went up in flames. For this year so far, it's been 2 million acres. Last year, which was cold and wet, only saw about 91,000 acres burned. And yet even here some people deny global warming, even as villages are falling off into the ocean.
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Mon Sep-07-09 05:38 PM
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30. There are a lot of people who do not know the difference between "weather" and "climate change". |
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People who should know better.
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