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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:42 PM
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Joe Wilson In Violation Of House Decorum Rules
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 09:59 PM by Hissyspit


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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/9/779551/-Its-against-House-rules-to-call-President-a-liar.-

Decorum in the House and in Committees

Under clause 1(a)(1) of Rule XI .... Members should comport themselves with the rules of decorum and debate in the House and in Committees specifically with regard to references to the President of the United States as stated in Section 370 of the House Rules and Manual.

As stated in Cannon’s Precedents, on January 27, 1909, the House adopted a report in response to improper references in debate to the President. That report read in part as follows:

"It is... the duty of the House to require its Members in speech or debate to preserve that proper restraint which will permit the House to conduct its business in an orderly manner and without unnecessarily and unduly exciting animosity among its Members or antagonism from those other branches of the Government with which the House is correlated."

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Under section 370 of the House Rules and Manual it has been held that a Member could:

* refer to the government as "something hated, something oppressive."
* refer to the President as "using legislative or judicial pork."
* refer to a Presidential message as a "disgrace to the country."
* refer to unnamed officials as "our half-baked nitwits handling foreign affairs."

Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:

* call the President a "liar."
* call the President a "hypocrite."

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Section 370 of Jefferson’s Manual states that the rule in Parliament prohibiting Members from "speak(ing) irreverently or seditiously against the King" has been interpreted to prohibit personal references against the President. In addition, Speakers of the House have consistently reiterated, and the House has voted, to support the proposition that it is not in order in debate to engage in personalities toward the President.


http://rules-republicans.house.gov/Educational/Read.aspx?ID=5

Basic Training: Decorum & Civility in the House

The Origins of the Decorum Rules

The Rules of the House give the Speaker broad authority to maintain decorum in the House. Much of this authority is codified in Rule XVII, but is also contained in Jefferson’s Manual, which is incorporated by reference into the Rules of the House. The Rules, when combined with the principles described in Jefferson’s Manual and the precedents of the House form the basis of the decorum rules in the House. The intent is to provide an atmosphere where the Members of the House debate the legislative issues before them, rather than engaging in “personality” by characterizing the actions of another Member or showing disrespect to the institution.

Dress and Comportment

Members are required to dress appropriately, which has traditionally been considered to include a coat and tie for male Members and appropriate business attire for female Members. Members should not wear overcoats or hats on the floor while the House is in session. No eating, drinking, or smoking is permitted, and the use of personal electronic equipment, including cellular phones and laptop computers, is banned on the floor of the House. The rule does permit the use of “unobtrusive handheld electronic devices” such as a Blackberry.

A Member must stand while speaking and address the Chair in their remarks (Mister or Madam Speaker; Mister or Madam Chairman). They must also refrain from addressing other Members, the President, the gallery, or the television viewing audience.

Members are required to avoid walking between the Chair and any Member addressing the House and Members should not walk through the well of the House when Members are speaking.

Exhibits

Although Members are permitted to use exhibits such as charts during debate, exhibits which demean the House or a Member of the House, or otherwise violate the rules of decorum are prohibited. Any Member may object to the use of an exhibit, and the Speaker may submit the question of the propriety of the exhibit to the House without a ruling, requiring that the House vote on whether or not the exhibit should be permitted. Similarly, Members are prohibited from wearing badges to convey political messages while speaking.

Unparliamentary Speech

A Member should avoid impugning the motives of another Member, the Senate or the President, using offensive language, or uttering words that are otherwise deemed unparliamentary. These actions are strictly against House Rules and are subject to a demand that the words be taken down. A demand that the Member’s words be taken down results in the clerk reporting the words and the chair ruling on the propriety of the words. (If the demand is made in the Committee of the Whole, the Committee rises and reports them to the House where the Chair rules on their propriety).

The offending Member may obtain unanimous consent to withdraw the inappropriate words or the demand may be withdrawn. Following such a withdrawal, the Member proceeds in order. However, if the Member’s words are ruled out of order, they may be stricken from the Congressional Record by motion or unanimous consent, and the Member will not be allowed to speak again on that day except by motion or unanimous consent.

References to the Senate or Executive Branch

Until the 109th Congress, it was not in order to make certain references to the Senate or individual senators. However, at the beginning of that Congress, the House removed the prohibition on making references to the Senate, leaving only the requirement that debate be confined to the question under debate and avoid “personality.” The precedents of the House allow a wide latitude in criticism of the President, other executive officials, and the government itself. However, it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a “hypocrite” or a “liar.” Similarly, it is not in order to refer to the President as “intellectually dishonest” or an action taken by the President as “cowardly.” References to the Vice President, in spite of his role as President of the Senate, are measured against the standard used for the President rather than prior standards used to govern the Senate.


Categories of Unparliamentary Speech

Defaming or degrading the House
Criticism of the Speaker’s personal conduct
Impugning the motives of another Member
Charging falsehood or deception
Claiming lack of intelligence or knowledge
References to race, creed, or prejudice
Charges related to loyalty or patriotism


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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:45 PM
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1. K&R big #5 for, STONE AND MAIM him as in (whatever barbaric a-hole scenario) n/t
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:45 PM
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2. Then they MUST be censured.
They failed to follow the rules, so slap their wrist.
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gopiscrap Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:06 AM
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10. I wish I knew how to get a national online
petition going to urge the House to censure this asshole!!!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:46 PM
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3. That was one big stinky buffoon blast
that's gonna hang around their necks for quite a while
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sagetea Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:46 PM
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4. Since when do repugs.
Have dignity or decorum? I heard he gave a pretty cheesy apology.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:22 AM
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22. today on camera he said Leadership had asked him to apologize so he did
In other words, he had no interest himself in doing so.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:46 PM
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5. I seem to recall Bob Dornan lost his floor privileges for a day back in 1993
He was in one of his usual rants, calling Bill Clinton a "liar", accusing him of "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" during the Vietnam War and even mocking his jogging shorts. He also wore an "I believe you Paula" button while on the floor of the House.

He was stripped of his floor privileges for a day.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 07:48 AM
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13. What ever became of "B-1 Bob" , the douchebag. You used to see.............
...........him on Fox every now and again. He (as it seems more and more Republicans) was always good for entertainment.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:49 PM
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6. I was actually wondering why more people (who mattered) didn't call Bush a liar.
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:50 PM
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7. I don't see much of a deterrent for bad behavior
However, if the Member’s words are ruled out of order, they may be stricken from the Congressional Record by motion or unanimous consent, and the Member will not be allowed to speak again on that day except by motion or unanimous consent.

So the only punishment for Wilson is he can't speak anymore today?
Not even a time out chair?
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ThorDem Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 09:54 PM
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8. It's 1851 and the fun begins!
I hope this time they don't give us wool uniforms. So uncomfortable and stuffy at Little Round Top. Definitely not fashionable, either.
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gopiscrap Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:05 AM
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9. Thank you
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:32 AM
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11. who are the two guys on either side of him? they look evil.
in fact, there's something lizard-like about the entire congress.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:26 PM
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24. they are part of the growing Clone Army the GOP has been working on. nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:40 AM
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29. i almost believe it. they look like relatives. "The Whitebreads"
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 07:39 AM
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12. Thanks for this post about the Rules. nm
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 07:59 AM
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14. To bad the DLCers are too busy tossing his salad and will never force him to apologize
Us on the otherhand will sacrifice our own on the accusations of a religiously insane, uneducated, talk show host. God dammit Obama, stop listening to the baby boomers and DLCers for christsakes and become a strong leader.
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Piewhacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:38 AM
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15. OK, so you have stated the reasons for EXPULSION of Wilson.
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 08:39 AM by Piewhacket
The House of Representatives is expressly authorized within the United States
Constitution (Article I, Section 5, clause 2) to discipline or “punish” its own
Members.

The Constitution specifically provides that either House of Congress
may “expel” a Member by a two-thirds majority. No other requirements are specified.


Mr. Wilson deserves expulsion.


(He is going to be defeated in the next election anyway. Ditto his son.)
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oldironside Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:24 AM
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16. In the British Parliament...
... the speaker would have told him to withdraw the remark and if he'd refused he would have been ordered out of the chamber there and then. Following that he would have been suspended from parliament and his party would probably have kicked him out for embarrassing them.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:17 AM
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21. We don't have that kind of procedure because the problem has never arisen before.
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oldironside Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:42 AM
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23. A sign of the times?
The House of Commons has always been quite rumbustious. Norman Tebbit once shouted at a Labour member to "go and have another heart attack", Michael Heseltine was suspended for swinging the ceremonial mace around his head during a debate, and the opposing front benches are still exactly two sword lengths apart. This is to give the Sergeant at Arms time to intervene should two members decide to settle their differences like gentlemen.

For Congress this is the thin end of the wedge. Heckling the President will soon be the community standard.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:26 AM
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17. Joe Wilson is in violation of
human decency.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:27 AM
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18. Repukes only want to go by their own rules
.. oh wait.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:13 AM
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19. I'm sick of these assholes
He needs to be censured.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:16 AM
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20. This imbecile should be made poster boy for the GOP. The heart and soul of the conservatives.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:28 PM
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25. All I can say is...
...if this had happened during the Bush regime the heckler would have been denounced as a traitor and the talk radio nut jobs would have demanded that he be hanged for treason.
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 04:57 PM
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27. Wilson should resign. n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:28 PM
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26. None of that matters. Pelosi has already made it clear she intends to do
nothing whatsoever to Wilson.
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 04:57 PM
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28. K&R
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