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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 08:59 AM
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Krugman: The speech

The speech

I couldn’t watch it from my undisclosed location, so I can’t judge the delivery. But the text is good. It comes pretty close to doing what I hoped it would: personalizes the issue (though I would have done more), invokes Medicare (although I would have talked more about Medicare’s enemies), talks about the system’s problems.

Most reactions seem positive — and most important, since this is a political gambit, early polling looks favorable.

Republican bad manners may also matter quite a lot, given the media’s tendency to focus on theater.

Could Obama have given this speech in, say, February? Of course. Should he have? Probably. But it’s still good to have it now.

Incidentally, the speech included a very clear explanation of the need for an individual mandate. I agree.

Will this do the trick? It’s easy to be skeptical — how much difference can a speech make, anyway? But the big problem on health care these past few months has been the sense that Obama had lost control of the issue — that the shouters and cynics had taken over the debate. Now, finally, we have some leadership and clarity from the president.

And maybe this is all it takes to turn the tide.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:01 AM
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1. I disagree with Mr. Krugman and Mr. Obama about the 'need' for mandatory insurance
for the record, it is my opinion that this will aid only insurance companies.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:18 AM
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3. Not with a public option. n/t
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:22 AM
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Yes. A mandate without PO would be a criminal giveaway, but the two together create the balance
that will lead to successful reform.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:33 PM
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20. Exactly! Thank you! nt
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:03 AM
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2. Obviously Krugman is nothing but a sell-out, and completely beholden to the insurance companies.
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 09:07 AM by BlooInBloo
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:33 AM
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6. Most times around here, it seems that the reputation of a politician, economist, activist, etc. is
only as good as his/her most recent statement, vote, or post. "What have you done for me lately", I guess. :)
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:22 AM
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4. Well, there are going to be heads exploding at DU today. Krugman supports Obama
What will Krugman's fans here do now that Krugman liked Obama's speech?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:22 AM
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5. Pretend it doesn't exist.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:41 AM
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7. Spin it to the point where they say Krugman calls for Obama's resignation. (nt)
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:45 AM
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8. Oh, fercrissakes.
Krugman has supported Obama about 90% of the time since he won the Democratic nomination. It was President Obama's more fervent supporters who created the false image of a Krugman who opposed everything Obama did. Krugman has always been more nuanced than that, and he has always stood behind the same principles.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:45 AM
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9. If this speech were given in February, it would be completely forgotten by now.
We still wouldn't have a bill, we'd still be exactly where we are today, and we'd have squandered one of the greatest policy speeches ever given. This is why Krugman doesn't run for office.

This speech could only have been given at this stage in the game. Republicans haven't got much left to fire at him, the town halls of August are over, and now he's got the public fully on his side heading into the final decision by Congress.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:46 AM
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14. Correct, The Timing Is Perfect, You Roll Out Your Product After Labor Day
n/t
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:04 PM
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23. Exactly. Krugman is definately wrong on at least this point. nt
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:47 AM
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10. Well, that sucks.
:P

;)

:)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:43 AM
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11. Mandated insurance is wrong
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:45 AM
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13. Is it even legal?
I can understand mandated auto insurance, but we can choose not to drive.

:shrug:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:51 AM
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15. Technically speaking, you can choose not to see doctors too.
There are people who do that.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:59 AM
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16. So if you "choose not to see doctors" the mandate doesn't apply?
:shrug:
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 12:02 PM
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17. I think I misunderstood your point about auto insurance.
Thought you were saying it was legal to mandate auto insurance because you could choose not to drive.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:30 PM
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18. Probably too logical a point for the politicians.
Edited on Thu Sep-10-09 02:30 PM by Vidar
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 02:32 PM
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19. You can opt out of car insurance if you can demonstrate financial capability
to withstand substantial financial damages.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:45 AM
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12. What else could we expect from Kool-Aid-drinker Krugman?
:rofl:

And yes, that was sarcasm.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 03:01 PM
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21. He has accepted the inevitable, and why not?
He's rich and he's famous and he will never have to worry about getting the care he needs.


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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:46 PM
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22. I hope Krugman is right and the tide turns. Americans need health care
that is efficient and equal. Obama's plan will do both.
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