They Figured They Could Be Disrespectful Because, He's Just A Black Man

[Me.]

Wilson was the loudest but the many of them laughed, held up signs and stacks of paper all throughout his speech. Lindsey Graham had to fight the impulse to clap.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/joe-wilson-apologizes-for_n_281541.html

They've tried their best to de-legitimize this man ever since he was elected. Birthers, teabaggers etc....they can scream it's about money and conservatives values, but no one can convince me that, bottom line, we're looking at the ugly face of racism here.

[FSogol]

1. +1 The GOP came off as selfish frat boys who know they won't be held accountable

for the damage they are doing to this country. They are scum.

[ShortnFiery]

2. Bingo! Would a white Reservist Army Colonel get away with saying "you lie" to

any White POTUS without both military and political OUTRAGE?

[Me.]

5. As Much As They Hated Clinton

They never behaved in such a outrageous manner when he addressed Congress.

[DevonRex]

14. ICAM. As a veteran, I am ashamed of Wilson and he should be brought up

on charges.

[tabatha]

3. Yes.

But they also did all they could to undermine Clinton.

It has something to do with being a Democrat.

[Maru Kitteh]

84. The oppositon has to do with being Dem - The wild-eyed hatred and disrespect has to do with racism.

That is the subject of this thread.

[lamp_shade]

4. That's the best way to read it IMO. K&R

[Me.]

7. It Has Picked At Me All Morning

And people can keep attributing it to other motives but I just can't move away from thinking that they consider him 'vulnerable' because he's black. Walks like a duck etc...

And kudos to the President for the way he and his staff have responded to this matter though I hope there's a secret plan now in the works to especially target them in coming elections.

[Hutzpa]

23. That duck reference I've

heard from republicans, remember at the White House Obama was giving a speech
then someone in the audience cell phone went off, lo and behold the ring tone
is that of a duck.

Very telling if you asked me...

[Voltaire]

36. You are right. Its all about the racism

I find it odd that a lot of people on DU don't get this either. You see, the way we do things in America, a black person is not worth as much as a white person. (I'm black, so I don't agree, I am just showing you the reality on the ground). A black person is not supposed to be President of the United States. NOT IN THE PARADIGM. So of course when, horror or horrors, a black man becomes President, his status has not changed in the mind of these nitwits. He is a nigger same as the rest of them. So of course Joe Wilson has the right to scream at him. He's not screaming at the Commander in Chief, its just some uppity negro on the podium.

Every complaint you hear from the right against this man is racism. Plain and simple. Period.

(I'm letting complaints from the left off the hook for now in the hopes that they are truly differences in policies and tactics and not more racism...LOL)

[pipi_k]

81. What, people on the left are never racists? People on the right always are?

I know you didn't say that...in fact, you said you are willing to let complaints from the left off the hook for now in the hopes that it's only policy and not race.

So the left gets a break, but the right never does.

The "evidence" can be exactly the same on both sides, but we'll always assume that our side is the paragon of Truth, Justice, and the American Way and everybody on the other side are nothing but scum-sucking racist assholes.


This is one of those times when I'm kind of sorry a black person is involved in something controversial. I'd like to see the excuses people would come up with for the same things being done to a white male Democrat instead. As someone in another post here said, it could very well be that the RW crazies are merely foaming at the mouth after the whole Clinton deal and the fact that they themselves are having to deal with lots of Republicans embarrassing themselves and their party with affairs, etc. Nobody can say this would not happen with a white man as president, so people shouldn't even bother trying to make that case.

[Solomon]

97. Oh there are definitely racists on the left.

And one of them things they love to do is deny it exists. If any other possible reason could be a factor in something, then it's clearly not racism. Nope. No. No.

[barbtries]

116. bingo

thank you.

[CreekDog]

139. The poster never said that

but thanks for playing.

[CreekDog]

140. And Wilson's record on keeping the Confederate Flag over the SC state house was???

no racial insensitivity there you would argue? no? :shrug:

i'm very sorry you feel the right is being treated unfairly here. :eyes:

[Hansel]

141. I can say it hasn't happened with a white man as president. nt

[Hansel]

142. double post - system error

[Me.]

95. Wilson Has Offended The Black Community In SC Big Time

There is no question in their minds what was at play here

[noiretextatique]

6. they disrespect him because his is black

they want to diminish him...his intelligence, his being...because he is black. i know, because i deal with this kind of shit every day. just last week, a co-worker thanked our audit team for the work we did on completing a HUD audit. she praised everyone else on the team for "working hard," but she said the i was great at "fetching reports." i am the accountant for the audited project, so without my work the audit would not have happened. yeah...i know all about this.

[Me.]

8. You Know It When You

Hear it and see it. It has a stink to it that is unmistakable when encountered.

[whathehell]

19. I hope you corrected that co-worker.

[Hekate]

30. Women get this.I hope you corrected him in a dry tone: "Actually, I am the accountant,not the gofer"

No need to be rude -- just never let this kind of crap pass without correction.

Pisses me off just reading it, because it's so much like what women of any color are likely to encounter.

All the best,

Hekate

[readmoreoften]

9. They're a bunch of racist thugs.

This administration is really showing them to be the vile rats they truly are.

[notesdev]

10. Will you cut it out already?

There's a lot more to politics than what color people are. Opposing a (half-)black President does not automatically make one a racist. There's nothing that has transpired so far that isn't at least as strident and vicious as the opposition to Bush.

[G_j]

13. no it was opposition to Bush policies

not the man

[notesdev]

31. This is also opposition to policies

People claiming it is "racism" that motivates the political opposition do two things:

1 - they get the approval of the echo chamber, which consists of hardcore Democrats only

2 - they piss off a lot of independents who may have reservations about Obama and are offended and insulted at the accusation that their reservations cannot possibly have any other basis other than skin color

As far as disrespect to a President goes... I didn't hear anyone here complaining that throwing shoes at Bush was disrespectful (we all, including me, cheered the act). I didn't hear anyone complaining that Cindy Sheehan's semi-permanent encampment outside Bush's Texas home was disrespectful. Nor any of the endless Bush-hands-covered-with-blood variations that were shouted from the rooftops for most of 8 years.

I'll repeat the warning that I've been giving - many Democrats right now are acting EXACTLY like the Bush loyalists did, circling the wagons, assuming a "with us or against us" pose, and guaranteeing major losses in the next election.

Democrats control both chambers of Congress and the Presidency. No one will be fooled that, if that level of control produces no actual, positive change, that it is the opposition's "racism" that is the cause.

If the goal is to replace Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House with a Republican... then carry on. Otherwise, maybe some critical thinking and serious investigation and analysis of facts will serve better than this knee-jerk childishness of playing the race card.

[hfojvt]

38. boy was that a was of electrons. Didn't you read the OP?

"but no one can convince me that, bottom line, we're looking at the ugly face of racism here."

"no one can convince me ..."
Their mind is made up, don't try to confuse them with facts and reason.

Yep, it used to be that dissent was patriotic, an American tradition. That's only when we do it though. When others do it, it is racism, insanity and treason, and those doing it should face "the full penalty of law."

[Me.]

53. Yelling You Lie At The President During A Joint Session Of Congress

goes beyond dissent. But perhaps you've missed the nasty little emails, jokes and statements that have been coming from elected reps in both Congress and state house in the last six months.

[hfojvt]

72. Yet we might have cheered somebody who did it four years ago

At least we were not shy about saying "Bush lied" on signs and in letters and essays.

But you are changing your argument from being about what the whole Republican party did to about what Joe Wilson did. Not the Joe Wilson who said that the President lied in his State of the Union address, the other one. I didn't think we were arguing about Wilson. He's a major jerk.

Do you have a link for emails, jokes and statemens that you say have supposedly been made? Something besides Jenkin's "Great White Hope" comment?

[Me.]

88. Google & KO Are Your Friends

[hfojvt]

103. Nah, KO's not any more

We got into a huge fight after the Superbowl last year.

Farking Steelers fans.

Plus, like Rachel, I don't have cable TV.

[Raineyb]

60. And I suppose we shan't bother you with the facts of how this country works?

Get your head out of the sand. Or at least stop disrespecting those of us who are telling you what we see by telling us that we don't see what we say we see.

So called Progressives are often just as obtuse when it comes to race as the thugs in the Republican party. They're just not as in your face with their racist shit.

[Me.]

70. !

[hfojvt]

75. most people, I think, are pretty stubborn about what they believe

but at least I never wrote 'nobody can convince me ...'

I see lots of disrespect going the other way in these arguments. It goes like this.

A: Somebody did X, that's total evidence of racism.
B: Really? How is that racist? I don't see it. I don't get it. I don't think that proves racism.
A: You're just an apologist for the racists. You're blind. You're obtuse.

It's not so much that I am saying that 'you don't see what you say you see' only that when you start to sing your favorite tune "Oh say can you see all that racism .." that it would be nice if there was some more explanation or proof rather than just a crowd of people claiming to see the Emperor's New Clothes. If I don't see the clothes, then I am gonna say so.

Let me try another analogy. I am a decent chess player, maybe rated 1800 or so. Which makes me slightly above average for chess players. If I am watching a game between two 1300 ranked players, then I might see a 'mate in three' that they don't see. However, it would be fairly easy for me to show it. That would certainly be more productive than attacking them or mocking them for their lack of chess ability.

Now, in the matter of race relations you and others here might be rated 1900 while I am floundering around below 1000. Or even more to the point, maybe I am an 1800 who thinks he's pretty good, but you are a 2300 who can see all kinds of combinations that I am missing. Still, I would expect a "mate in three" to be demonstrated rather than just called.

Race relations and real life are a bit tricker than chess. I think, though, it is better to not be a Joe Wilson. he shouted 'liar' because he BELIEVED something was wrong. If you are gonna shout "liar" or "racist" in a crowded theatre or discussion board, you ought to be able to prove the charge, rather than just believe it very passionately.

[Hutzpa]

109. Step down your soapbox

your hood is showing.

:smoke:

[Raineyb]

123. So now you're going to lecture me on race relations? How about this, you can greatly

improve race relations if you'd refrain from 1. being condescending when discussing race relations. You know what condescending means right? It's what you did in your post. and 2. stop telling people that they didn't see what they say they saw. I notice you don't do that to white people when they pretend that they didn't notice something that's blatantly racist.

So why do you think it's okay to constantly lecture those who point out the racism they see?

[hfojvt]

129. I know what condescending is

but it's hard to refrain from it when you are as great as I am.

I don't see the condescension either. I compared you to a much better chess player than I am. Somebody who can see things, perhaps, that I cannot. How is that condescending?

What I see is this. Here's an imaginary essay by Joe White Somebody. It's titled "Obama is a liar" and it goes on and on about some of the lies Obama has supposedly told. It seems like the first reaction on DU to such an essay is gonna be an OP that says "Joe White Somebody is a racist" and then goes on and on about how disgusting these racists are and how we need to call them on their racism.

Then what happens. It gets about 150 Rs and 80 kicks with other DUers saying mostly "KNR" and "duh, Republicans have always been racist since Nixon" and "ooh, I hate these racist SOBs".

Anybody with the guts to ask "how is that article racist?" is likely to get swarmed and attacked. Even more so if they are bold enough to assert "That article is NOT racist."

Suppose that last one is my own post. I post "That article is not racist." That does not mean, nor imply, that "you didn't see racism". It means, quite simply that "I didn't see racism." Well, that is my opinion. If I don't see something, then I don't believe it exists. If somebody is gonna prove to me that something exists that I don't see, then they need to show it to me. They don't prove anything to me by calling me names.

We have had another argument on DU (started by me, of course) over the term "Paddy Wagon". I find that term to be offensive against my Irish heritage. Some people agree with me, and some, even Irish people, don't. Others think it is no big deal to have a term which smears the Irish since the Irish do not face any significant discrimination in America and haven't for quite some time. Others think it might be called a Paddy Wagon not because the guys being locked up in it are Irish, but because the guy driving it was likely to be Irish.

In that case, I see bigotry in that term. Everyone is probably much more sensitive to bigotry directed at themself. Others don't see it, or don't care. Same thing with an argument the other day here about reverse racism. I claim to have experienced it (and somebody will probably pounce on that admission) and the other person claimed I didn't or finally that even if I did, it was understandable and no big deal.

Meanwhile back to the article by Joe White Somebody. If the discussion goes
Joe: Obama is a liar.
Liberals: Joe is a racist.

Then it kinda looks, to a semi-neutral observer, that liberals have lost that argument and can only resort to calling names. It looks like a victory for Joe.

[treestar]

79. That was not dissent!

And like it was pointed out, much as they hated Clinton, they never did that to him!

[G_j]

39. How is the birther thing about policy?

and there is no comparison

[Me.]

42. We Are Talking About A Speech To A Joint Session Of Congress

Where a rudimentary civility has been the norm not a news conference in a country that * took over and occupied for no good reason and where hundreds of thousands were killed for his nation building aims. As far as your warning, dems have never acted out in the hysterical fashion we've seen since Obama was elected. Nor did they ever carry guns to a * speech.

[Zoeisright]

43. BULLSHIT.

All of your 'arguments' are hollow.

Because we were RIGHT to object to Bush killing people.

There is no comparison between citizens protesting a rogue, unelected government and a boorish racist screaming at a President of the United States in chambers.

And if you think racism isn't a factor in the hatred of President Obama, you are incredibly naive. Or is it something else, hmmmm??

[Me.]

77. What Utter Nonsense

[lysosome]

44. ... Not that there wasn't alot to dislike about Bush personally.

But that was because what Bush did, not who he was. He was smug, arrogant, and embarrassingly stupid.

[pipi_k]

78. No it wasn't. Not always.

I personally was disgusted by Bush the man, ever since I first saw him during an interview with a Boston news anchor guy in 2000.

Snotty, smug, sarcastic, etc.

And as time went on I became even more disgusted with Bush the man. And so were a lot of my friends and acquaintances.


So I'm a female...does someone want to come along and accuse me of being a SEXIST?


This "racist" crap it getting really old.

I'm sure Obama himself is too mature to sit and think people who dislike him or oppose his policies are "racists". He's not seeing racism everywhere he looks, unlike a lot of DUers, who see it literally everywhere. On behalf of someone else, even...that's the really sick thing. What, is Obama too stupid to figure out on his own whether or not people are being racist toward him?

It just amazes me how people are so quick to point an accusing finger without a shred of concrete evidence. All they have are their own assumptions...reading between the lines.

Opposing a man, even in the rudest of ways, doesn't automatically translate to "racism".

[G_j]

80. it's getting old alright

so what drives those 'birthers' after all?

[pipi_k]

86. Personally I think they've just gone insane

I mean, it had to be a HUGE shock for them to see all the votes for Obama from states that have always voted Republican.

They must have been absolutely convinced that McCain/Palin would be their saviors.

For me, I liken it to a football game (since it's that time of year again). Patriots vs Giants. Superbowl XLII. Final seconds...Pats have kicked ass all season, went 18-0...Eli Manning throws a pass and it looks like it's not going to be caught but it bounces off the helmet of David Tyree and he's got it and they score. Pats have one more chance and fail.

People who were convinced the Pats would win that one are speechless with shock. Despondent, even....for months.

When you think your "team" is going to win and it doesn't, it can be nearly traumatic.

So I think the "birthers" are just people who were more emotionally invested in a McCain/Palin win than some other Republicans, who are probably a bit more (though not much) sane.

[G_j]

89. seriously

you haven't perceived racism in the birther movement?
I thought it was pretty obvious, at least maybe for those of us who have encountered these type of people at various times in our lives. Racism is very common. Fortunately, the younger generations are less so. I'm white, and I've encountered/witnessed plenty of racism in America.

************

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/obama-faces-more-personal_n_144005.html
...
One of the most popular white supremacist Web sites got more than 2,000 new members the day after the election, compared with 91 new members on Election Day, according to an AP count. The site, stormfront.org, was temporarily off-line Nov. 5 because of the overwhelming amount of activity it received after Election Day. On Saturday, one Stormfront poster, identified as Dalderian Germanicus, of North Las Vegas, said, "I want the SOB laid out in a box to see how 'messiahs' come to rest. God has abandoned us, this country is doomed."
...

[Hannah Bell]

118. i'd guess the same thing that drove them when they thought clinton was going to cancel

elections & throw them all in fema concentration camps.

how soon we forget.

[damntexdem]

16. And just what Democrats interrupted Dubya's speeches to joint sessions?

What Dems were even disrespectful in that venue?

when have either Dems or GOPs acted so stupidly during a joint session?

This one IS different? So, what else is different?

[Me.]

18. Sorry, But I Disagree

There has always been vehement opposition from the opposing party but what we've seen with Obama has been a form of hysteria starting with the unbelievable lie that we have a Kenyan as president..

[whathehell]

21. I don't remember anyone keeping their kids from watching ANY other president on TV..Not even Clinton

[Dogtown]

34. Quit apologizing for them

There ARE other issues that aggravate the situation, but the one root cause is racist. It is also the issue they inflame their followers with: a black man in the White House (*not* serving drinks).


I've seen several posts from you over the last several, minimizing the racism displayed by the Republican Party and base.

They ARE racists and it's repugnant.

[notesdev]

41. It's an argument whose time has past

This country, for the first time ever in the history of mankind, freely elected as its leader a person who does not share the pigmentation of the majority population.

Racism, as a national issue, is over and done. By any rational standard we are the least racist society ever to grace the face of the planet.

All that is done by continuing to insist on racial motivations is to alienate those who are accused of it and know they are not guilty.

This is exactly what the Bush regime did when they said anyone who opposed their war on terror strategy and/or methods was a terrorist sympathizer. And it is equally dishonest.

If racism is the only reason you can come up with to explain today's opposition, it is a very strong indicator that you are doing no critical thinking whatsoever about the problem, and you probably don't read a single thing that doesn't originate from inside this dwindling circle of wagons.

[Occulus]

46. !!

"Racism, as a national issue, is over and done."

:spray: :rofl:

[Dogtown]

47. You're either deluded or you're posturing.

Racism, as a national issue, is hardly dead. It's a festering plague infecting every level of our society.

Ignore or whitewash it at your peril.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

51. "Racism, as a national issue, is over and done."

Denial, as a psychological device, is just as over and done.

[Raineyb]

61. Racism as a national issue is NOT over and done.

And if you don't see that then you're either really blind or unbelievably stupid. Which is it?

[Lilyeye]

64. Did I accidently go to a repuke site?

"Racism, as a national issue, is over and done. By any rational standard we are the least racist society ever to grace the face of the planet."

I cannot BELIEVE you just wrote this garbage! What a huge slap in the fucking face for anyone who has gone through racism.

[bettyellen]

90. I had a poster here tell me also that sexism no longer exists- ur both "concerned" about alienating

people who are behaving in what is perceived to be an offensive predudiced manner . Guess what, we do not give a fuck about their feelings, the birthers ought to be fucking ashamed with their xenophobic and racist bullshit.

[Me.]

91. Jump Back Loretta!

Loved reading your post

:hi:

[bettyellen]

106. ha ha- is that from Mary Hartman or something?

love it anyway, thank you.

:hi:

[Hutzpa]

111. Yikes.

:yoiks:

[Me.]

45. Kathleen Parker

No raging liberal calls it the dog whistle

[Raineyb]

59. Spare me!

They behaved this way because they don't think they need respect any black man including one who is President of the United States. It's straight racism and I'm tired of people making excuses for it. It is what it is and what it is is blatant in your face racism.

[autorank]

114. You're so understanding

Are you a liberal;)

Come on ... race is the essential political issue. It's used to divide the working class and everyone else ... that's what the current Republican Party is about and has been about since Nixon's Southern strategy.

In addition, don't even begin to equate these screw balls with those who stood up to Bush with
facts and arguments based in reality.

[Hannah Bell]

117. no, you're a racist. per the majority opinion on this thread.

[damntexdem]

11. Well, racism has always been about money and conservative values.

And it has always had an ugly face.

[CitizenPatriot]

48. co-sign

that's exactly right. status quo, maintaining their advantage. that's what all hate comes down to; power and control.

[CitizenPatriot]

49. co-sign

that's exactly right. status quo, maintaining their advantage. that's what all hate comes down to; power and control.

[DevonRex]

12. That's it. They have no respect for African Americans in general, so it's

no big deal to be disrespectful to the black President. And encourage others to do so as well. They're saying that bigotry is okay.

[me b zola]

15. Last night reminded me of this:

...a classic thread by DUer K Gardner:

"Miss Jean Louise, Stand Up, Your Father's Passin'."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7226200

[Me.]

27. !

[Cyrano]

33. "To Kill a Mockingbird" was probably as close as we'll get to a "sermon from the mount."

I believe that Atticus Finch is one of the greatest characters in modern fiction.

I just wish that Obama had emulated him last night. The words I was waiting to hear from him were "I will veto any bill that doesn't have a public option."

Unfortunately, he never said those words.

[me b zola]

40. I believe that he is fighting tooth and nail for a strong PO

President Obama said last night that the public firmly supports the PO. I believe that he is informing the fence sitters that he invited to the WH this morning that there will be a public PO and they will support it.

At this point we are all just reading tea leaves about what is going on behind the scenes. I choose to remain hopeful that a good enough plan will pass with the building blocks set in place for improvement.

[Cass]

17. The things they are doing to show their contempt for Obama is sickening and it is escalating.

Their reactions to anything he says or does is so over-the-top and so full of hate, its frightening. It is an embarrassment to this country that they act like this.

Their behavior was atrocious last night, and it has been atrocious all summer long. I believe this disrespect is racially motivated, I wasn't sure at first but I am now, especially after what happened with the school speech.

[Me.]

22. Contempt Is Exactly The Word

[Cha]

20. They're such insecure in their own manhood little maggots

that I wouldn't be shocked.

"Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.), the longest serving member in House history, said he was not impressed by the GOP antics. "Well, you've got to understand: They're Republicans. They're just doing what comes natural," he told HuffPost."

John Dingell said it all.

I liked another article on huffpost..

"When Representative Joe Wilson (R-SC) yelled out that President Obama was a "liar" in the middle of Obama's nationally televised address to a joint session of Congress, he became the poster child for the new Republican Party.

I definitely mean poster "child." Since President Obama took office, the language of the Republican Party has become more childish and irresponsible by the day."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/wilson-is-the-poster-chil_b_281918.html

[cilla4progress]

24. My thoughts precisely.

And sadly, I think he is "kowtowing" to their agression, as a black man, in that he restrains himself from appearing "angry" and thus feeding their racist stereotypes. I, for one, LOVE it when he shows passion and yes - anger. It's deserved and he has nothing to apologize for.

[Me.]

25. IMHO, Not Sinking To Their Level Is The Best Policy

He's the president and shouldn't have anything to do with the rabble. I think they are doing a very effective job showing their stripes.

[Name removed]

26. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Lilyeye]

69. LOL@ nodding off and stone face

Yes because that was sooooooooooo much worse than what the repukes did. You've got to be KIDDING me!

Oh and BTW please tell the racist he is half white when they call him the n-word when they think they're around like minded people; when Glenn Beck says he has a deep seeded hate for white people; when an old white woman says on national TV that the blacks will take over if his elected; when they say he will waste all of the tax payer money on lazy welfare queens; when they try to paint him as some foreigner who wasn't born here; when they compare him to a monkey; when they call his family ghetto trash and when they send an e-mail out that has a picture of every white President, but a "spook" in President Obama's place. Seems to be me they just see him as a black man or (just another n-word) in their case.

I seriously can't believe the crap I've been reading on a democratic site. I came here to escape this type of shit seen on other boards.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

28. What "YOU LIE!" REALLY MEANT:

"A Negro wants to take our white money and give free medical care to Mexicans!"

[Bluerthanblue]

29. i hate to agree with this, but i can't deny the ring of truth

at least in some of the more twisted, ugly minds.

And i'm ashamed to share this country with them.- no, ashamed to share this planet with them.


:(

[A-Schwarzenegger]

57. The "emotions" of racism are hard to control.

Let it out, Joe!

[Raineyb]

63. That is frankly the subtext to the whole opposition to true health care reform

They don't want a system that won't bankrupt people because then black people will also take advantage of the system and they want one that favors them (as it currently does now since black and brown people are more likely to be employed by employers who don't offer heath care, are less likely to have insurance and tend to make less money as to not be able to afford insurance.) But that doesn't wash with the current orthodoxy so it won't be discussed here.

[Bluerthanblue]

65. i think added into it is the reality that they are becoming the minority-

and that's just too frightening for them, considering how "they've" treated minorities.

:hi:

[Quantess]

68. That is the visceral message, yes.

[HughMoran]

32. Pretty much. GOP = bigots.

...and this isnt' surprising since every Republican I know is at least a closet bigot.

[Dogtown]

35. +1, Me. K&R n/t

[seabeyond]

37. i dont know. i think it may be a progression since the loud mouths of limbaugh, fox news

fuck you cheney and a continual vileness from the repugs that this is an inevitable result. might make it a little easier cause he is black, but i dont think the put liberals that much higher than a black, woman or gay

[CitizenPatriot]

50. he comes by it honestly

"You remember Joe Wilson, right? He's a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an organization teeming with white supremacists and racists, who was one of 7 who voted to fly the confederate flag over the SC capitol. Yeah, white sheet guy. That's him."

[Me.]

54. !

[SoCalDem]

52. Scary black man in the White House..does not deserve respect

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6465551

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-04-09 02:00 PM
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Scary black man in White House...run away, run away.

The nut-cases are doing now, what they could not manage to do in '08....and they are doing it with the aid & comfort of the same media who shut them down last year.

What a difference a year makes.

They were unsuccessful last year because "their" candidate was un-electable, and the press did not want to waste precious time on a bunch of whiny racists. They did show the most outrageous of the bunch who shouted "Kill him" or "Traitor" at Palin rallies, but the coverage was about "free speech" and little more.

Another reason they were unsuccessful last year, was the fact that Hillary Clinton stayed in the race for such a long time, that many of the most racist of the GOP base were torn between two longstanding "hates", and probably waited too long to gin up much rabble-rousing.

There was a time when they tipped their hand though, by suddenly masking their Clinton-hate, and crossing over to actually vote for her (Texas primaries & beyond).. Does anyone really think they all-of-a-sudden "liked" her? and would vote for her over their party-chosen-hack?.. This was when they realized that a black man just might win this thing.

Given a choice between Hillary and "the black guy", they would choose Hillary.. They already hated her, and had a quiverful of arrows just for her, but would need more time to craft a barrage designed especially for a black man... they had to be careful with this attack, or they would be once again be called out on their racism. Republican racism is best left just under the surface..like a stealthy submarine, cruising unnoticed by the masses.

These are the same people who overlooked every blunder that GW made..that was a daily event, for at least 8 long years.

They were willing to suspend disbelief, as he failed to deliver on almost everything he promised them.

They "gave him" their husbands, daughters, fathers, sons, grandsons, etc. to go off and fight in two wars, one a meaningless war for profiteering contractors and friends-of-Bush, the other a hastily exited, poorly executed one in Afghanistan. They were willing to trade their flesh & blood loved ones, for a few lines of text in a paper and a folded flag.

They cooed and clucked as he vacationed his way through two terms, claiming that he "needed his rest", and wasn't he quite a manly figure...with that cowboy hat & that chainsaw.

They looked the other way as he proffered yearly budgets without money for either war, and as he added bloated, yet unfunded spending legislation onto their back (and onto the backs of their progeny).

The editorialists they claim as their own, gleefully climbed aboard the war-bus, and told them all how important and necessary these two wars were, and how the cost was nothing to worry about now, because "it had to be done".

AND THEN THE BLACK GUY WON!

After the initial shock, and the obligatory pats on their own backs for "electing the first black man to be president" (even though 99% of them did not vote for him), they set out to undermine him, even if it meant destroying their party in the process. The ends justify the means.

They cannot attack his intellect..or his stage presence..or his ability to communicate....but he IS still black.

No matter how hard it is to clean up the messes left by "their guy", or how necessary it is to HAVE the mess cleaned up.....for all of us, they are still willing to do everything they can to undermine him.

The only effective tool left to them is FEAR. They have to make him scary, questionable, controversial. They must de-legitimize him.

Media is only too happy to comply. they were on their best-behavior last year, because they too, were worried about just how to cover the first black man running for the highest office in the country. After 8 long years of bumbling, stumbling, & stammering, they were happy to finally have a literate, composed and intellectual to cover, and they went all in. But that was then, and this is now.

They could not attack Barack, the black man..but as president, they are unfettered now, and anything goes, so they are happy to report on all the nonsensical birthers, deathers, teabaggers, town-brawlers, gun-toters..

Media coverage, to these people is like water to fish.. It's what they need, in order to exist and to prosper.

So now we are where we are.

The black man is going to scare the children.. :scared:
The black man wants us all to have health care :scared:
The black man is trying to clean up the messes left to us by 30 years of neglect :scared:
His wife wears SHORTS :scared:
His daughter wears a "Peace" shirt :scared:


How dare he!

[Me.]

71. Next It Will Be Their Jazz Evenings

And poetry nights

[graywarrior]

55. They HATE it that a black man is their boss.

H A T E it! ! !

[BuelahWitch]

105. Yep a black man runs things now

Scares the shit out of them.

[David Zephyr]

56. That's how we see it, too. This has never happened before. What changed? Skin color.

I'm still pissed today.

[TheKentuckian]

58. Make a defense if you think people are off base but pretending

racism is no longer an issue because a black man was elected following the worst and most inept President ever is lame and blind.

America is still chock full of bigots. The biggest move is that minorities are growing as a percentage of the population and yes many whites have let go of the baseless hate. We can also cut down on the patting ourselves on the back for being advanced over other western democracies because we elected a black guy first when Europe is only 1% of their cumulative population.

We may be less racist per capita than 40 years ago but it is pretty ignorant to think this stuff is no longer an issue in a country that had slavery, jim crow, and whole states run by the Klan.

[moondust]

62. I think they did try to de-legitimize Bill Clinton.

Ignored him, pretended he was a nobody, etc. for some time after he moved to Washington. Eventually tried to destroy his presidency via Scaife, Ken Starr, etc.

But it is worse now and no doubt some of it is racism.

[SoCalDem]

67. Clinton's "affair" & the fibs afterward "did him in"

The other legal stuff went nowhere and actually helped him, but then he screwed up.

Even with all that, he still landed on his feet...but without the Monica thing, his reputation would be much different. Comedians would not have him to joke about, now would they? That was Clinton's own fault.

[moondust]

73. Yes but the "Arkansas Project" was hatched in 1993.

They were out to get Clinton by any means necessary right from the beginning.

The Arkansas Project is the general name of a series of investigations (mostly funded by billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife) that were designed to damage and end the presidency of Bill Clinton.

~snip~

According to R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr., editor in chief of the Spectator, the idea for investigating the Clintons was born on a fishing trip on the Chesapeake Bay in the fall of 1993. David Brock, who reported many of the Clinton scandals, described himself as a Republican "hitman" who "soon became a lead figure in the drive to" get Clinton. Writing for the American Spectator, he brought the stories of alleged sexual misbehavior by Bill and Hillary Clinton into the public notice in late 1993.

~more~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project

As for delegitimizing Clinton:

But the (Esquire exit) interview is memorable too, if only for its subject’s audacity. "I entered the environment which was unprecedented, where the other party decided that from the moment I took my hand off the Bible, taking the oath of office, they would try to delegitimize me," he says, casting his White House years as a triumphant tale of David vs. Goliath (that the Republicans were in the minority in both houses of Congress in 1993 complicates this more than a little).

http://www.reason.com/news/show/27923.html

The VRWC at work.

[SoCalDem]

74. I know that, but the media would have mostly ignored

those boring court cases..as they did..before Monica..

Everyone "understands' a sexy story :(

[Hannah Bell]

121. it's the same story; maybe you missed the part about paid operatives.

[SoCalDem]

126. Didn't miss it ..hate it, but did not miss it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8572759

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6233408

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=6242525

[Hannah Bell]

127. interesting research. similar paid ops in the clinton case was my point.

they aren't "racist". they're political operatives who use whatever tools seem likely to succeed.

[Hannah Bell]

119. right. & all the gop horntoads were impeached too.

oh, wait, they weren't, they're still there shitting on their constituents.


clinton "did himself in" - right.

[SoCalDem]

133. right wing media protects their own..no surprise there n/t

[Hannah Bell]

136. thus, clinton didn't "do himself in".

[SoCalDem]

137. they had the gun..he handed them the ammo

:)

[LynneSin]

66. You know I remmeber when Bush would speak we would bitch about the dems clapping

but after last nights childish antics of the Republican Party, I'm glad that we were the party of maturity.

[Hannah Bell]

120. 2005 sotu: notice the dems booing & not clapping.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

[uppityperson]

76. Was Graham the one who put his hands together, then pretended it was to rub them?

that was a pretty funny move.

[ThatsMyBarack]

82. There's no excuse for these pasty-white Repukes' behavior!

They don't work or play well with others.

[Maru Kitteh]

83. Agreed.

[proud patriot]

85. Bottom line is ,, I agree with you

:hi:

[Me.]

93. Great Minds?

:evilgrin:

[Raine]

87. Agree nt

[Libertas1776]

92. Agree 100%

[Swamp Rat]

94. TRA LA LA LA LAAAAA!

[Me.]

96. Say It Ain't So

[Swamp Rat]

98. Joe Wilson is hiding somewhere in the background, off camera,

but he's a loud voice in the KKKhorus.

[autorank]

100. Great stuff Swamp Rat

This is disturbing beyond words. I'm going to see the Rob Zombie Haloween just to get it out of my
mind;)

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

101. Way'at autorank!

:hi: longtime no see. :toast:

[autorank]

99. It's mass sublimation k*r Thanks for the honesty

The now unacceptable blatant racism is swallowed whole and transformed into complaints that make no sense from the complainer.

If this guy had stood up or any vmember stood up and did a 360 degree stare down while saying, 'You're
all liars," that would be interesting. Why focus on Obama? Because the screamer can't deal with some ugly issue of his own invention.

Maybe our screamer is a close cousin of the speaker at the Texas capitol building a few days ago who kept yelling about his hated the United States. They should be roommates;)

Excellent point. This had to be said here. Thank you.

[Me.]

102. It Was A Mind Boggling Moment

Watching that secessionist guy scream abut hating this country.

[autorank]

130. I sure was

He was so wrapped up in his madness he just went on a riff.

It has become tedious.

When the Texas governor first mentioned session, the Texas leg was in session. They immediately
passed a bill that stripped the governors operating budget and gave it to a program for the
handicapped. That's how out of step these people are.

[donna123]

104. The element of race cannot be denied

These loons get nuttier and nastier with each passing day. They don't want their children to know a black man, who is also half white and was basically raised by white people, is president. They don't want their children to see him as an authority figure, to listen to him, or to god forbid, respect him. They have to try to bring him down by heckling him like no other prez has ever been treated. It's true, these loons persecuted Clinton, but there is a different dimension to the attacks on Obama, the race element. It's making them nuttier and nuttier and more dangerous. Rush, Hannity, all of Fox basically, they're all pushing to drive one or more of these loons to assassinate Obama. It really couldn't be more clear. What's even nuttier are the mainstream media like CNN giving even the tiniest bit of credence to these loons by inviting people like some loony teabagger or whatever they call themselves on the show. The only n----- in the Capitol yesterday was Joe Wilson. What a c---.

[bettyellen]

107. it's sad seeing it whitewashed here, but some are afraid of "how it looks" to "play the card"

:puke:

[Me.]

108. The Thing About Children

Is that they don't see people in terms of color until they are taught to do so by adults

[Blue_Tires]

110. kick

[KT2000]

112. Everything they have done

lately has been to show disrepsect for the president. They are not pursuing a political agenda, just an agenda of destruction.

the birthers
the school speech was supposed to give parents a chance to trash Obama to their kids (kids love Obama)
stopping healthcare reform
encouraging horrendous behavior at the townhalls
taunting with weapons at public gatherings

If the Democratic Party does not pull together - and now - this will continue until they have smeared everyone in the administration and destroyed President Obama and what he stands for.

Yes it has everything to do with race.

[newtothegame]

113. I agree, that is the easiest and most politically convenient way to look at it.

We also then don't have to debate them earlier; we can just call them racist and walk away. End of story, easy peasy.

[Me.]

122. There's Nothing Easy About Racism

As to debating them, there is no such possibility because they can't see the the truth for the trees. Even after it has been proved over and over that Wilson was wrong, incorrect, didn't know what he was talking about 'cause he never read the bill....he's still insisting he was right and that Obama was lying. They, the cons, have dug their heels in and now are claiming there are loopholes. And no amount of birth certificates will ever shut the birthers up, he will always be a Kenyan who shouldn't be president to them.

[barbtries]

115. agreed

and it makes me sick.

[workinclasszero]

124. If you are not white and rich in Bush's Opportunity Society,

you have a target on your back as far as republicans are concerned. Hasn't everyone figured that out yet?:shrug:

[raccoon]

125. Why can't I rec this thread? Hasn't been 24 hours. nt

[BlooInBloo]

128. Everybody knows it. Funny watching people lie and pretend not to, though.

[Me.]

131. What's Interesting

Is, starting last night on Hardball, I've heard/read more and more people state that it is racism or question if that's what's in play here.

[BlooInBloo]

132. When it gets to a certain critical mass, it because more and more difficult to maintain...

the usual position "if they don't say 'nigger', then it's not racism". It appears we're getting closer to that critical mass level.

Naturally, as that level of critical mass is neared, the remaining racism deniers/enablers dig in their heels that much harder. So expect to see a spike in "reverse racism"-style whining, as well.

[Me.]

134. Oh Yeah

It's on the way. I heard a SC talk show host say yesterday that the African American community in SC is livid and as they had extended a hand to Wilson in the past and invited him to their churches, they feel betrayed. They know what they're seeing and all the naysaying in the world isn't going to change that.

[BlooInBloo]

135. :) We all know.

[Hannah Bell]

138. rallying the base with red meat, same as the pugs.