Carville says Democratic voters want Bi-Partisanship even more than heathcare

[Robbien]

Carville did his own little poll which ranked traits Democratic voters were looking for in a presidential candidate. This is his supposed results:

* Iraq is the first issue for Democratic primary voters -- an initial filter before getting to everything else.

* Democrats are looking for a candidate who will rise above partisanship and unify the country.

* Health care is a huge priority for the Democratic primary voters.

http://democracycorps.com/reports/analyses/Democracy_Corps_April_11_2007_Memo.pdf

I'd like to see the data behind this poll of his. Is there really anyone, outside of DC, who wants the Democrats to join with GOPers? And want it more than healthcare? Yeah right.

And Carville is the guy to whom DLCers pay a ton of money for advice such as this.

[sendero]

1. And HRC...

... is the person to do this? Puhlease.

[mcg]

29. Link to a DU poll re Bi-Partisanship, heathcare

Do you want Bi-Partisanship even more than heathcare?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x659166

[sendero]

38. It takes 2 to tango..

... the Republicans haven't been interested in bipartisanship for as long as I can remember.

Wanting "bipartisanship" is like wanting "success" in Iraq, a laudable goal but the Iraqis are not cooperating and they never will, and neither will the Republicans.

[tsuki]

2. Tsuki says Caville is full of shit. Cites tsuki's poll. That is all. n/t

[Richard Steele]

70. 100% of registered voters in the greater DickSteele area agreed with Tsuki's poll.

Hey, NUMBERS don't lie, folks!

[mtnester]

3. What, did he poll the people in his head?

Or the one in his bed?

[LiberalEsto]

4. Bipartisanship? No thanks.

The only bipartisanship I'd even consider is between Dems and socialists.

[tomp]

65. i'm with you...

...as long as it doesn't dilute the socialists' platform too much.

what's the point of having parties if you can't be partisan? There is NOTHING in the republican creed that i can compromise on. i'm barely with the democrats.

[rug]

5. Carville wants hair even more than a brain.

[Cha]

61. carville/aka/mrmatalin has more

more hair than a brain.

[ThomWV]

6. I have to wonder - who besides Hillary cares what he believes?

[NNN0LHI]

17. Is he working for Senator Clinton's campaign?

I haven't heard that he was? Did you hear or read this somewhere? I don't need a link or nothing. I will believe you.

Don

[Robbien]

20. He is gets paid by the DLC

Which is the work-around Carville/Clinton uses.

Carville says

Following up on netroots all star complaints about James Carville's position as a CNN 'analyst' considering his relationship with Hillary Clinton, TPM Cafe's Greg Sargent phoned CNN for comment and was referred to Carville himself.

From Carville: "I'm not an adviser to her campaign. I'm not being paid by her campaign...I don't get paid. I'm not an adviser. ... I'm not defined by my support of Hillary Clinton." MyDD's Matt Stoller responded: "The reality is simple - CNN should have a variety of non-Clinton supporting analysts in addition to James Carville and Paul Begala. And the channel should identify him clearly as who he is. Otherwise, how are we going to know that Carville is being a neutral political analyst and not a Clinton partisan when he delivers on message digs at Obama on the Situation Room?"

http://blogometer.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/04/42_batter_up.html

He is fooling no one, or at least almost no one. This supposed survey is for the DLC's website and was included in the latest James Carville and Stan Greenberg strategy memo to the DLC.

[NNN0LHI]

22. But James Carville and Paul Begala love Don Imus who was ripping the Senator consistently

I seen that with my own two eyes. I suspect some folks imagination may be getting the better of them on this Carville/Clinton connection.

Don

[Robbien]

25. No imagination needed

And what the heck does foul mouthed Imus and DLCers Carville/Begala have anything to do with the fact that DLCers Carville/Begala work with Clinton?

Imus and Carville/Begala like each other. Big Deal.

The DLC was set up for Bill and continues carrying water for Sen Clinton.

[blm]

46. DLC was set up for Bill, but who expected it would turn out then to be working

for BushInc? I certainly didn't. So I defended Bill and the DLC for years, even as I wondered why he never allowed the access needed to the documents Bush1 was protecting in IranContra, Iraqgate, BCCI and CIA drugrunning.

9-11 changed everything - it wouldn't have happened if Bush1's crimes of offices were more fully revealed during Bill's terms.

And, after reading Bill Clinton's book, I am well convinced that he doesn't even CARE what open government Democrats think, because he chose to not elaborate at all about his decisions to let Poppy Bush slide on his many crimes of office. And BCCI and CIA drugrunning weren't even mentioned at all.

[Zhade]

53. You've come a long way, blm. Just wanted to let you know it's noticed.

NT!

[blm]

67. Was always there - just wanted to give Bill the chance to explain. Reading his book made

I expected the truth about WHY he made his choices, and instead he pretended he never made them by ignoring the issues TOTALLY.

[lastknowngood]

7. DLC operative he works against the democratic voters and for

the repig corps

[SarahB]

8. Carville,

You're a has-been who lost us a long time ago. :boring:

[Lost4words]

9. BULL! carvell is a shill, cant stand the DLC creep!

8643

[Botany]

10. As for this democrat I want Carville to go away.

After learning his role in telling the White House that Kerry
was going to contest Ohio because of the # of provisional
ballots .... which Ken Blackwell then threw away .... James
need to shut the hell up.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/11/10/153830/13

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?
B<r> James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

[mtnester]

14. Botany, I am so with you on this...he screwed this state

You know a little of my history with voter suppression in Ohio in 2000 and 2004. No one should trust this slimy little turd...if Hillary really wants my vote, they will lock him in the shed.

But you and I both know that won't happen....and here I sit totally undecided on who gets my vote next May.

[blm]

42. And then Carville went to work the next day blaming Kerry for not winning, though

all the stats gathered afterwards showed that Kerry was one of the few Dems who DID HIS JOB while the Carville-McAuliffe wing of the party was undermining him for over a year.

Gee - wonder why?

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

>>>>>

Whom does the biographer think his subject will pick as a running mate? Not Hillary Rodham Clinton. "There's really two different Democratic parties right now: there's the Clintons and Terry McAuliffe and the DNC and then there's the Kerry upstarts. John Kerry had one of the great advantages in life by being considered to get the nomination in December. He watched every Democrat in the country flee from him, and the Clintons really stick the knife in his back a bunch of times, so he's able to really see who was loyal to him and who wasn't. That's a very useful thing in life.">>>

[daa]

11. Atlanta says otherwise

Ob-ama was at Georgia Tech (conservative engineering school) and drew 20,000 of young, old, white, black. That 20,000 is 10,000 more than Bill Clinton got. Bush only got 2200. 20,000, 18 months before the election, and he was talking about health care (for everyone) and getting out of Iraq. He didn't mention anything about bipartisanship, he was talking a whole new direction for the country.

Here in Georgia the governor and house and senate are all republican. A new poll says 50% of the people would not vote to reelect their legislator. The surprise, it was mostly republicans that would not get reelected.

[Robbien]

16. See, now that is what I keep hearing

People know GOPers and they don't want any more of that conservative crap which just hits them in the wallet. They want a change away from that agenda. Not some bi-partisan deal.

[Skidmore]

12. Yeah, we've seen how Carville practices bipartisanship.

[Cha]

62. Yeah, carville can't even get

along with real Democrats. Sayin' Dean was like rummy..

[Skidmore]

13. Yeah, we've seen how Carville practices bipartisanship.

[Solly Mack]

15. Blech

is lee hamilton in the room? something just turned my stomach

[youngdem]

18. Only DLC'ers want to cuddle up with their heroes - the Republicans.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. What a crock of shit! Who did he poll...Mary? Bi-Partisanship...I'll kiss your elephant, if you'll

KISS MY ASS.

[blm]

64. LOL..... and then I cry. Because it's TRUE and treasonous.

.

[mmonk]

21. Here they go trying to tell me what I want or believe again.

[Lars39]

23. Carville....If you are reading this: kiss my ass.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. Carville seems to be using the wrongwing talking points. This is the new GOP meme.

It is a way of undermining Democrats.

The DLC is bought and paid for by many who own the GOP.

[saltpoint]

26. I'd rather have the health care, I think, a comprehensive, non-partisan

health care for everybody.

In his defense, Mr. Carville's ice cream is pretty good.

[SlowDownFast]

27. And Mary Matalin is one sexy bitch...

that lucky Carville.

[IChing]

41. Gee, talk about sleeping with the enemy

I wonder what side of the bed he gets up on?

[Deep13]

28. With this rising Dem. tide, now is the time for us to be total pussies!

YE-A-A-A-A-AH!!!

**crickets chirping**

Anyone? Anyone at all?

[booley]

30. No, Really would rather have the health care.

I have had a cough for years and only get to see the doctor when i get a slight windfall on my money.

I depend on a doctor that gives me free samples instead of a regular prescription.

My room mate has needed to have a tooth replaced for the last 3 years.

My ex depends on anti-depressents that he can't get regualrily becuase his job is sh*t and doesn't have health benefits.

So actually, Mr. Caville, I would much rather have that health care. I need it a bit more then I need Democrats and Republicans to sing Koombaya. especially when so many Republicans are already uniting with Democrats..against the conservative agenda.

Though for the record, Iraq is important.

[1monster]

31. Carvel's irrelevant. He stopped speaking for me and most of the

Democrats when he married Republican/Bush shill Mary Matlin.

[spanone]

32. Carville doesn't speak for me. I'm a for-free democrat. No one owns me.

[Marr]

33. As soon as we've reversed everything done since Reagan to

serve the wealthy at the expense of the middle class, sure. We can start having a bipartisan discussion then.

[porphyrian]

34. That irrelevant blowhard doesn't speak for "Democratic voters."

He's a member of the conservative minority somewhat tolerated in the Democratic party, and he doesn't get to speak for all of us simply because the corporate media puts a camera on his ugly mug.

[ToeBot]

35. Yeah, Bi-partisanship, it's on my 'Big List of Wants'...

Right after 'poking myself in the eye with a pointy stick'.

[Octafish]

36. DEMOCRATS WANT THE LITTLE TURD FROM CRAWFORD IMPEACHED!

Get a clue, Carville. Tell Hillary something she needs to hear.

[mod mom]

44. and NOW!

[Atman]

37. Carville's lost it. He's completely out of touch with what "Democrats" want.

He only knows what the DLC and HRC wants.

.

[left is right]

39. This alleged poll does not in anyway represent my views

For the most part my views on bipartisanship is Neocons should have a stake driven through their hearts, buried in an unmarked grave, and the ground on top of it should be salted. As far as the true conservatives and moderate Republicans, I don't want to hear 1 word from them until they apologize for the mess that they helped to create and after they have done their fair share of sh*t work to clean up the mess. Let them show up at the substandard VA hospitals and pull down roach infested walls and do some of the back-breaking work of building a clean facility. Let them show up at the homes of the more severely wounded soldiers and carry them to the bathroom. And then let them cosponsor Democratic legislation that would fully fund VA benefits and health care. Then and only then am I willing to discuss bipartisanship.

Gosh, I had no idea I was going to make this a rant!

[WinkyDink]

40. Carville is married to Matalin. That is all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

Apologies to Keats.

[mod mom]

43. Carville is a traitor who helped * remain in power: (from TPM)

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)
By M.J. Rosenberg | bio

?On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[warren pease]

45. Bipartisanship: a modern definition

Any action -- including speeches, press conferences, talk show appearances, floor votes or legislative co-sponsorship -- taken by a Democratic Senator or Congressperson that helps BushCo feed its blood lust, and/or fatten its off-shore numbered accounts and those of its employers in the petrochemical and pharmaceutical industries. Extra credit if that "bipartisan" effort also results in the extinction of another Constitutionally guaranteed right.

I'll take universal, single-payer health care, please. In fact, I'd rather have a plague of horned toads hopping through my bathroom than watch any more sickening displays of Democratic "bipartisanship."

So piss on you, James. I didn't know Bushism was a sexually transmitted disease.


wp

[Hubert Flottz]

47. James is a Joe Lieberman Democrat!

Like Tom Delay.

[Hamlette]

48. Carville is so over. n/t

[will_in_chicago]

49. Carville is a gnat

Carville should not be given too much credibility in light of the revelations about the 2004 election and his close ties to one candidate. So, while Carville once mattered, he seems to be carrying water for Hillary Clinton but has not bothered to publicly admit it.

[Name removed]

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[flyarm]

51. BULLSHEET CARVILLE..DID YOUR WIFEY TELL YOU TO LIE??

TOTAL BULLSHEET!!

i know no dems that want bi-partisanship..none!!


this dem wants this..

I want truth..

I want our troops home

I want no more spying on us

I want our constitution back

I want A REAL 9/11 INVESTIGATION

I want my bill of rights back for myself and my family

I want accountability of the crimes the republicans have committed on this nation!!!!

I want * , Rove , Cheney , Wolfowitz, Libby all in prison for life for the murders of our troops and up to 950,000 dead Iraqi's!!

in fact i want a damn lot of frog marching of republicans..and carville that includes your wife!!

Fuck you Carville..

and hillary..as fAR AS I AM CONCERNED YOU PICKED THE WRONG GUY TO SPEAK OUT IN YOUR BEHALF!!


FUCK YOU CARVILLE..GO SCHLEP THAT BULLSHIT ON YOUR WIFE!!

FLY ..IN NO BI PARTISAN mood!

[ikojo]

52. Bi partisanship is a Republican code

word meaning...Democrats lay down and do nothing while the pugs set and define the agenda.

NO, CARVILLE...just because you have chosen to sleep with an agent of the antichrist does not mean the rest of the US wants to lay down for the Republican party!

BITE ME!

:mad: :puke:

[Robbien]

69. So true. GOPers do not believe there should be two parties

They have said it many times, Democrats are the enemy. GOPers do not want to play nice. They want to drown Dems in that bathtub along with this big government they say they are not so fond of.

[Canuckistanian]

54. No thanks. DLC "bipartisanship" is code for "selling out"

Same shit, different party as far as the DLC's vision goes. I'd trust one of Carville's polls as far as I could throw Hillary's "war chest".

Support Kucinich, aka the "anti-Carville"

[Zhade]

55. Funny, that's what the Deceitful Lying Conservative members on DU say.

One would think anyone more liberal than, say, Hitler wouldn't dream of bipartisanship with the morass of hate and lies that is the rightwing, but then we are talking about DLCers here.

[scarletwoman]

56. Carville can go suck eggs. (nt)

[loyalsister]

57. To some extent he's right

Because by the time the people who NEED healthcare discover they weren't a part of this poll and they'll want to know what the GOP is doing for a healthcare plan.

[knight_of_the_star]

58. Carville, I have one thing to say to you

Need a napkin, cause I think some of the spunk from your last blowjob to Bush is still on your cheek.

Honestly, this guy seems to forget that for the GOP bipartisan means, "We get what we want while everyone else has to go stand in the corner and take it.

[Selatius]

59. This from the FUCK WIT who tried to gun for Howard Dean after Nov. 2006.

We all know you and your pro-corporate pals wanted another shot at ripping down Dean, but you failed.

[Cha]

60. NO, Democrats want outta Iraq, bozo..

and they want health care. And why would we want to be "bi-partisan" with fascists? The repukes need to offer better fare if they want bi-partisanship.

Course, the indie, lieman wants Susan Collins to win in 2008 but that's lieman.

[MODemocrat]

63. Is Carville crazy?

Healthcare is a top priority to nearly everyone on this side of the aisle. :think: :think: :tinfoilhat:

[Clark2008]

66. Then Carville would be wrong.

[camero]

68. We don't want bipartisanship

We want another FDR. Someone who will roll up his sleeves and take it to the Pubs and Upper class for thier theft from the workers and poor for the last 30 years.

[will_in_chicago]

71. It may take another FDR

It may take another FDR to turn around the damage that the Bush administration has done to our international reputation, our economy (the war on the middle class started under Ronald Reagan continues), and deal with other issues. I want an end to the war in Iraq, national health care, serious policies to address global warming, and also trying to rebuild the American economy so that we can actually have jobs coming into the country rather than leaving the country. We used to be a net exporter of finished goods, now we are a net importer.

As for Carville, he seems to be trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame.