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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:30 PM Original message |
The demeaning of public education began under Reagan. It has worked well. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh, gee, thanks for the unrec. That just made my evening. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. There are those here |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
45. I Agree With You JP (nt) |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Agree: give freeper-types no voice |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. From its very beginning, I was puzzled at the alleged "benefits" of that new feature. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Too many teacher haters here |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Stealth Republicans. |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
105. Coupled with well-meaning but dim liberal parents |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
79. Nevermind, we significantly outnumber them. Nice OP, K & R #142 :) nt |
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givemebackmycountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
2. Beautiful, the un rec trolls are out tonight. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yes to both. His son is smart, and unrecs are blossoming. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
46. I Unrec'd The Unrecs |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
51. Saint Ronald of the stupid? nt |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
4. Reagan did for ignorance what Bush did for dishonesty |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Well stated. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:26 AM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Raygun was just as dishonest, but a better actor |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
47. What Reagan did for ignorance and dishonesty made Bush possible |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
52. You are exactly correct. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
82. There was a time during the 90's that I thought the world wide web might help turn that around |
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Nay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #82 |
116. Agreed. The same thing is happening with the internet as happened with TV-- |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. WTH another unrec? There is nothing but truth here. |
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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Off to the greatest page for you |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Heh heh. This is indeed an unpopular topic |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. many of the "unrec-ers" are paid to bury the good stuff.... n/t |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
75. It tends to happen shortly after a thread is posted for the |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Ha you make some good points. |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #85 |
106. I found out first hand rather quickly, |
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rubberducky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:04 PM Response to Original message |
9. The ONLY positive thing that came from raygun was his son Ron. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
95. Patti wasn't bad either ... she immediately exposed the "October Surprise" . . |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. this needs a lot of kicks |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
12. Reagan was a fascist piece of shit. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
93. Sold his soul for money . . . |
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young_at_heart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. The large class size got to me |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
15. A great post. All should know this. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Many here don't remember his presidency. |
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Hardrada (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I remember well and am glad he didn't get a lot of the stuff he wanted. |
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Maccagirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I lived through it, remember it |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. Thanks for that and this is |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. He was an actor, and he was very good at promoting the agenda. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:00 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. He was the front man for the philosphy of the RW |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
19. of course Reagan hated education. for him, its personal |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-26-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
22. Reagan was another one, he wouldn't listen to anyone but his handlers... |
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intheflow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
24. I was on a local talk show a few years ago. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
73. The "teachers whine" meme is being used when teachers try to defend themselves. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
89. madfloridian Scores Again! : ) |
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Selena Harris (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #73 |
130. Big Cheese and Whine |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Yes, they did call us a nation of whiners. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
25. K and R!!! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:36 AM Response to Original message |
27. Reagan's idea is that, teachers suck. So don't give them any of YOUR tax money!! |
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RFKHumphreyObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
28. Reagan destoryed much of what was great about America |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
29. My parents moved to CA to teach in the 1960's. |
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destes (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:44 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Reader Rabbit wisely says................. |
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2Design (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. I believe they do too - they are trying to bust the unions n/t |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. my first thought too. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. of course they do. |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. I graduated H.S. before Raygun |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
118. Correct me if I'm not remembering correctly, |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
127. I remember it being cheap, but not free |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
31. K&R, although I don't believe it all started under Reagan. |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
123. here, hear! so true. Incredibly the same de-skilling |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
32. about every 25yrs there is a 'Johnny Can't Read" article... |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
124. ...and the stupid people on Leno's street. |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. afraid so... |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:35 AM Response to Original message |
33. Excellent OP! The public school in which I taught from 1987 to 2005 was administered and staffed |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
84. Besides dumbing down the populace and propping up christian schools, |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
35. When Reagan reversed |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
56. This is exactly how it happened. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
76. I remember that case. Those two were reporters at WTVT in Tampa. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
96. Everyone should read your post . . . Fairness Doctrine has to be put back in place . . . !!! |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
40. I rec the OP but I'll sound a warning as well. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
53. It's called standardized testing, and they've been doing it |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. As opposed to Standards-based testing |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Agree -- agenda is to privatize the schools . . . and leave as many behind as they can --!! |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
59. Let's see, teachers are held accountable by their administrators, parents, school board, the state |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:53 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. +1 |
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RedEarth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
111. +2 |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Did you know teachers seldom get a voice in curriculum and methodology? |
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djp2 (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
94. our kids aren't failing... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
98. Nonsense . Teachers are a long way down the list of what anyone would consider "unaccountable" . . . |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
41. Privatization, De-regulation: the right loves the Orwellian terminology |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
42. I will never understand why right-wingers describe liberal protestors as fascists. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Words mean whatever they want them to mean. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
43. Informative And Spot On, As Usual. K & R! |
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tilsammans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:17 AM Response to Original message |
44. His declaration that the state "should not subsidize intellectual curiosity" . . . |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:27 AM Response to Original message |
48. Rec +70 Excellent job MF, thank you |
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jotsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
49. No rabble to reason with if their rendered intellectually incapacitated. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
83. dumbing us down... |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
58. What I find especially hypocritical on RWers denouncing colleges |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
100. They've corporatized . . . if not militarized ... much of higher education . .. !!! |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
60. couldn't agree more!! kick and recommend, of course!! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
61. When I was in a suburban high school in Minnesota in the 1960s |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
63. It gets rid of the competion the ruling classes were having to compete against. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #63 |
101. Yes, only the few are to be allowed to have the "paper" of higher education . . . |
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DFW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
64. Bill Bennett calling ANYTHING a "blob" |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
65. Can't wait to read when kids will let me :) |
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sasquatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
66. I'll never forgive older white Americans for voting for that man |
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Kievan Rus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
67. Reagan was the worst American in history. And I hope he burns in hell. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
68. the GOP/Right WIng promote Ignorance |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
69. What he started in California, he |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
70. Yes, plenty of DU'ers have contempt for our schools. nt |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
71. K&R |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
74. America is a fundie nation. We don't need edumacation. We have faith. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Nor do we need science... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Yeah, in your "type" of state, the only science people are told they want |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
92. Also so ironic that they distrust "books" . . . but they sure believe in the |
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jotsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
115. Religious zeal is a poser as compared to genuine faith. |
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checks-n-balances (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
80. Report Card: Reagan = F; Obama = C-; madfloridian = A+ |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. + Infinity |
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JackDragna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
81. Rec for you from this teacher. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
86. For years, the CIA budget was hidden in the Federal school budget . . 50% of it !!! |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
87. Woo-Hoo, Front Page! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
91. Right wing propaganda is a psychological attack intended to create distrust of our |
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LuckyLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
97. I have two U of Calif degrees with Ronnie Raygun's signature on them. Makes me sick. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
102. Getting educators out of education....not including them in the changes. |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #102 |
107. This is so true. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 01:40 AM Response to Reply #102 |
131. hmmm... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
103. k i c k |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
104. Reagan understood the danger of an educated populace. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Reagan was senile by 1987 ("I don't remember"). Whether he was in 1980 is another argument, |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. I do not doubt that he was by 1984. n/t |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
108. The shame is that when I started teaching CA was the gold standard of |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. An uncle and aunt taught there....you are right. It was a superior system. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
110. knr!!~ |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
113. I can't believe it took me this long to rec this |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
114. a big R here - teachers have been demeaned till no one questions why - it just is so |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
117. Lets all not forget he made ketchup a vegetable for school lunches. |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
120. I've been saying for years that under RR |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
121. K & R Reagan was only president |
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troubledamerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
122. Tinfoil Conspiracy Theory? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
125. lol! After incessant whining about unrecs, it's now over 200! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. I am very careful what I say here anymore. |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-27-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
129. I was a UCLA student at the time of Kent State and Ronnie's signature |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-28-09 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
132. Kick |
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