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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 05:46 AM Original message |
Vatican: we may be bad, but others are worse |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. if they're being painted as *the* child molesters of the religious world, |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:00 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. The "they did it too" excuse |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. there is no "homosexuals did it" line. read it again & see if you get it: |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. That is "the homosexuals did it line", without a doubt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. whatever you say. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #19 |
33. The Catholic Church has been fomenting anti-gay hatred for a long time now |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. you claim. it doesn't follow from their statement. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Their anti-gay bigotry is well known |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. it's hopeless. how idiotic people are. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. What are you trying to say HB? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. lol, lol. gotta laugh or i'll cry. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I'm not lynching anybody |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. "Can you deny this" lol, lol, lol |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. The fact that the Catholic Church is anti-gay stands |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. omg. rofl. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. I've taken into account everything that you've posted |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. i didn't say anything. & if i had, it wouldn't have mattered. you have |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. The facts about what the Catholic Church did in their abuse scandal speak for themselves |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. That is just the kind of sophistry |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. if you have the stats, produce them. i'm going by the distinction made in |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
51. I've seen this line before. I don't know whether anyone outside the Vatican |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
77. given the power differential and the blatant lie that all the predators |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
80. Taking the blame off themselves onto an outside force |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. bwahahahaha. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. don't you ever get tired of smear tactics? seriously, i don't think i've ever seen you do anything |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. go fucking look in the mirror, sweetiepie. you just made a vile smear against me |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. here's the thread. point out this "vile smear" where i "insinuate" you unrecced the thread because |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. How is pointing out the catholic coverup of their abuses a smear tactic? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. are you some kind of fucking automaton? do you even read the posts? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
63. bwahahaha. St. Hannah who never smears |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I disagree with this |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. i don't disagree in one sense, but there are other considerations in the sphere of politics. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
53. Well said! |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. On the issue of poverty, which I bring up because it seems so overt |
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regnaD kciN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 05:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. This is one thing I heard about years ago from sources among the Jesuits... |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
14. But Ratzinger was already in a position of power back then! |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
65. It's worse than that. The claim is made that John XXIII established this policy |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. Pathetic |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. "Only 1.5% to 5%" of how many? How many thousands of assaults is that? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. is it any more than in the general population? or in other religious orders? |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Maybe, maybe not, but it's the catholic cover up of these activities |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. They are trying to excuse their behavior by |
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Submariner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
9. Those child raping bastards should be locked up for life |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
10. My blood is boiling. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. "only if anything not catholic is labeled as a protestant." |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Are Mormons Protestants? |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
23. What a tag line! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. um, that;s the headline writer's spin. |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #28 |
76. It's not just the headline |
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jimshoes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
24. 5% seems intolerably high |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
27. I have just one question...(er, I guess two really) |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:18 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. a pedophile is attracted to (but doesn't necessarily 'fuck') pre-pubescents. |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:27 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. So raping minors who are teens is less bad than raping pre-teens? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. "So raping minors who are teens is less bad than raping pre-teens?" |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
57. How was I dishonest? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. look up the definition of straw man. |
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DaveinJapan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Nice copout. |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. It is till an abhorrent crime. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. But they didn't say it's "less of a crime," did they? *You* did. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No, but they did perpetrate a huge coverup of the crimes to cover their |
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Are_grits_groceries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
44. The only voice yammering is mine. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:05 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. no, i'm actually trying to understand what *they* meant, not my knee-jerk |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
68. I think it was implied. |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. They get off saying it because they want to absolve themselves of responsibility |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
31. waaaaah!! waaaaaah!!! others do it more than we do!! |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
40. He's full of shit as a Christmas turkey |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
46. It's all the gays fault! |
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TommyO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:04 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. it's the standard catholic church line when it comes to their coverup |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. I live in Boston, and I'll never forgive the Archdiocese here |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
50. Well THAT'S some brilliant logic! |
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jeremyfive (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
66. Thank you, Martin Luther. |
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Mrs. Overall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Yeah, protestants are perfect. No garbage there. |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Are you seriouly implying Mr Luther was a fundamentalist? N/T |
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Mrs. Overall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I'm seriously implying that the christian fundamentalists in the US are protestants-- |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Baptists, to the best of my knowledge, |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
71. But that was so long ago, and their victims have probably moved on |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
72. Allow priests to have relationships and marry, and/or ordain women, and |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
74. Gosh, if people of authority in Protestant and Jewish communities did it too, maybe the problem is |
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Betty Karlson (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-30-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. But they don't. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
75. It is a lame attempt to mitigate the Church's cover-up of crimes. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
78. Let's look at the actual context and statements: |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-29-09 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
79. Do they have polls about catholics and if they really listen to |
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