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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:09 PM
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Is it time, to do an excommunication of far right religious freaks?
How bout all sane religious, gather with the elders, to excommunicate the far right religion of greed and sociopathy? They did it in letters to the freak churches in the first century! It is time for the sane religious to reclaim sanity, just as the conservatives must wrestle the party away from freaks. This society is doomed, if we insist on a fairy world, where threats are ignored, and faith, sustains our way of life. The neoluddites must be named as the threat they are. We cannot compete, in a world where all others have moved on from freakshow. Faithbased governing, will spell our doom. If you don't know, the call has been put out, for all freaks to populate the easy to obtain local political offices. Mormons, pentacostals, in particular.

They have media censorship all wrapped up. Now, they will work on the education. NCLB being a key component. Make testing displace all critical thinking opportunities. Home school to censor all unwanted knowledge.

If the good people will not stand up to the scum in their midst, Then we must. As it is, they feel themselves the REAL AMERICA. They NEED THE MESSAGE. You are fringe, and WE like it that way. We will not force you to change, as long as you don't try to inject your unconstitutional moralities on the population. If you insist on your version of reality supplanting all history and science, we will oust you. Take a page from the Amish. They would NEVER expect us to churn our own butter. Find a nice commune and keep the morality where it belongs.

Anyone that blames ME for their not being rich or any other dream, cuz I don't follow the dogma of their particular faith, I consider that stalking. And I want to puck on your stupid ass. People of courage must act soon. Or Armeggedon will be a self fulfilling prophecy. We already have our top soldier in the field, part of a christian crusade. These people are too dangerous to ignore. Religion, you are on the hook, police the freaks. Or face persecution.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:11 PM
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1. Or, how about everyone just...
wakes the fuck up, and gets over religion, already.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:47 PM
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12. Hear, hear!
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:47 PM
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13. Kinda funny, considering your fivegoodmen thingie is biblical.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:06 PM
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19. It is, indeed.
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 02:08 PM by FiveGoodMen
But we've got biblical allusions running all through our culture.

I compare pukes to the devil quite often as well, although I don't believe in angels (fallen or otherwise).

The screen name is just meant to be a literary reference to what happens when you don't keep a minimum amount of decency around.

It was inspired not just by the bible story, but also by the Toy Matinee song, Last Plane Out...

Greetings from Sodom
How we wish you were here
The weather's getting warmer
Now that the trees are all cleared
..
There was one repressed do-gooder
And a few who still believed
Yes I think there were five good men here yesterday
But they were asked to leave


Still gives me chills: "But they were asked to leave." Like the razor-thin majority in the Senate was lost in '02 when a few Dems were asked to leave.



Good catch, anyway. I doubt that many have put that one together.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:01 PM
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33. And vice versa . . . much of the Bible was based on gods/goddesses . . .
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 11:03 PM by defendandprotect
even "ten commandments" goes back to pre-Bible --

In other words, most of it is plagiary!


And, remember -- the "devil" is an invention of patriarchy -- in their own image!!!

:evilgrin:

The old religions had no devil, no Satan --

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:48 PM
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14. Excellent Idea!!! Religion harms more than it helps to me! It's all about divisiveness...
small minds, petty ideas and beliefs, one out to get the other. And for some justifies their mental difficulties in life.
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greymattermom Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:13 PM
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2. the brand
The mainstream churches have lost control of their brand. "Christian" means something different that it used to.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:05 PM
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18. The word 'Christian' has essentially lost any meaning at all.
It has been so diluted that there is no common definition any longer. For me, that is not a bad thing, in the end. People are abandoning the label in record numbers.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:11 PM
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22. There most certainly is a common definition
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:17 PM
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23. Common only to part of Christianity.
A list of denominations which reject that Creed is too long to post on DU.

A common definition requires that it be accepted by all who call themselves Christian. No such thing exists. The Nicene creed comes closest, but is not said by many denominations.

Remember, many call themselves Christians while saying that you are not. It's the nature of denominationalism. Christianity is fractured and splintered until it is no longer a single thing.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:52 PM
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27. I like Ghandi's take on it
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:49 PM
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28. Interesting quotation, isn't it?
Too much reading of the Epistles of Paul. Not enough of Matthew, I think.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:13 PM
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3. Excommunication? Nah. ...
Decapitation is more appropriate and sends the proper message.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:24 PM
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5. We don't want to do anything they would enjoy!
They want to feel persecution, cuz their acts are bullshit. If they are beheaded by the infidels, they go to heaven. If you die, after a lackluster life of lookin out for number 1, it's a crapshoot.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:22 PM
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4. It would have little effect.
Christianity is so fractured and broken that no group really controls it. Many sects of Christianity, especially the ones populated by the extreme Christian right, consider the bulk of Christians to be of no value and not even Christian.

So, there are no voices that could speak and be heard by the fundies...except their own. And their own voices are joined in a message that is far from the Christianity of the New Testament.

Denominationalism has destroyed the unity of Christianity, leaving it as little more than a disconnected concept. Every denomination thinks it is the only true Christian church.

There's no hope, except for the more rational denominations to condemn radicalism. Even that will not affect the right.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:28 PM
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7. "There's no hope, except for the more rational denominations to condemn radicalism. Even that will"
That is exactly what I just said. Something like a national poll, of their brethren, telling them they are extrabiblical, in their druthers, for very unsavory reasons. That they are outside of all rationality. and that lack of rationality, is NOT a sign of faith, but stupidity.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:33 PM
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10. It would have no effect.
The Christian Right has divorced itself from mainstream Christianity anyhow.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:36 PM
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11. BUT, they refer to themselves as the majority of America. That would end.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:04 PM
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17. They would still refer to themselves that way.
You don't understand. Lying is OK with them, as long as it suits their needs. They will not stop doing so just because they have been condemned by those they don't respect.

The good thing is that reasonable people are seeing this go on, and are reacting appropriately. The Right is killing the GOP. That's a good thing.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:09 PM
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37. Unfortunately, I think even the moderates see the money that has poured in . ..
which has given the right power --- and maybe many of them also covet it?

The Vatican is moving to Evangelicalism--!!!!

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jemelanson Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:49 PM
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15. Hit them where it would hurt.
Cancel their non-profit classification no more 501 c (3) exemptions for them, make them subject to property, income and sales tax. Make donations made to them not tax exempt for the persons making the donations. Then of course will have to listen to them moan and cry about being persecuted. Check out what other perks that can be taken away. Treat them just like any other business venture.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:11 PM
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38. Evidently the Catholic Church was using taxpayer money for their sex abuse lawsuits!!!
This is the money their organizations get as "faith based" -- ugh!!!

Evidently, they're being investigated . . .

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:51 PM
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16. I think the same!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:28 PM
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6. No.
Show me where batshit crazy is outlawed in the Constitution.

:grr:
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:29 PM
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8. They want to hold Jesus seances in classrooms.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:33 PM
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9. Charter schools at their best.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:07 PM
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20. You can't excommunicate a religion
Excommunication can only happen within a religion that has that particular methdology on its books, and the list is pretty short.

At best, one Church could criticize another in the media, assuming they could find a media outlet willing to carry the story.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:10 PM
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21. I went to a southern baptist church. It was kickass, most are just racists.
If the outlyer of each faith is chided by their own, it might count.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:20 PM
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24. The far right religious don't listen to the liberal religious
any more than the far right political listen to the liberal political. They are simply two different worlds. But while the differences used to be mostly doctrinal and somewhat social, they are now huge political and cultural divides.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:05 PM
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34. How is religion based on patriarchy "liberal" . . . ???
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:31 PM
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39. The liberal churches have resisted patriarchy
in the last 50 years or so by ordaining women and giving them equal opportunities in church leadership. Many hymns and texts have been reworded/reinterpreted to use inclusive language. God can be referred to in feminine terms. You'd be surprised what women can do with a patriarchal institution once they get some power within it.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:03 PM
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40. There have been a few changes . . .
but the majority of organized patriarchal religion stands --
with one WHITE/ALL MALE GOD.

Also, as far as I know the Bible still stands -- certainly patriarchal --
and one of the most violent books ever written.

Vatican is still in business and the Pope still fails to acknowledge the full
personhood of females as it acknowledges the full personhood of males.
Additionally, Vatican still deals in dogma, dictates -- overturned liberation theology.
Brought Opus Dei back in.

Also, "Manifest Destiny" and "Man's Dominion Over Nature" are the license for the elite
to exploit nature, natural resources, animal-life -- and even other human beings according
to various myths of "inferiority."

These concepts are at the least authoritarian -- if not fascist.

Certainly not democratic --

Granted, would love to see women make swiss cheese of the whole thing.

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GMA Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 02:28 PM
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25. What happened to freedom of religion?
It's still a free country, right? And--just so you know--it's actually possible to be a Christian and a Democrat.
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 03:40 PM
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26. Just so you know, I are one. I HATE pharisees. And sociopaths.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:51 PM
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29. Who said there weren't Christians who are Democrats?
I don't believe I've ever seen any such sentiment expressed on DU, to which you are now welcomed. We value accuracy here.

Nobody's said you can't worship as you choose. That's an important part of our Constitution. I don't, but you're welcome to.

We're not talking about all Christians, you see.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:58 PM
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32. Unfortunately, organized patriarchal religion . . .
is the underpinning for patriarchy -- if you support it, you're supporting patriarchy.

And hierarchies of power --

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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:41 PM
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30. At this point, it's time for an exorcism.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:54 PM
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31. Everyone should understand that patriarchy's underpinning is organzied patriarchal religion . .
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 10:56 PM by defendandprotect
without it, patriarchy would fall --

That's why after the Revolution of the 1960's which undermined all authority . . .
the GOP gave start up funding to the Christian Coalition --

Other wealthy right wingers gave start up money to Dobson and Bauer for their organizations . . .

They need to get back into the schools to continue brainwashing the kids at an early age -
otherwise it doesn't work if you don't get them young.

Religion has long been used as a tool of conquest by patriarchy -- a way to subvert other
nations, other peoples. It's also a very effective landmine which was what happened in
India after WWII when they won their freedom from Great Britain. Poof!

We also have this problem with Congress -- tons of "Christians" -- and looking
fairly fanatical to me!

Also penetrated our military which they were trying to do for
decades -- REMEMBER THE GENERAL EDWIN WALKER who Oswald supposedly fired at shot at thru
the window of his home? Well, JFK fired him for pushing right wing material/religious crap
in military. If I recall correctly, kinda bibles and Nazi accessories.

Also know that General Edwin Walker LED THE RIOT AT OLD MISS TO STOP THE INTEGRATION OF THE
COLLEGE. Walker was taken in and prosecuted -- as I recall they gave him something light and
recommended psychiatric help.

ALSO NOTE THAT WE INVENTED THE TALIBAN/AL QAEDA -- and we used them to "bait the Russians into
Afghanistan . . . in hopes of giving them a Vietnam-type experience."

WE ALSO CREATED THE WHOLE BS ISLAMIC JIHAD -- VIOLENT WRITINGS -- PRAYER BOOKS . . .
WE WROTE THEM AND PUBLISHED THEM AND SHIPPED THEM . . .
IN AN EFFORT TO SPREAD A FUNDI/VIOLENT RELIGION OVER THE M.E.

See part in bold for info on religious manipulations . . .


The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_interview_shor ...


SECOND PART ---

The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.


Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.

http://www.tenc.net/articles/jared/jihad.htm

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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:08 PM
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35. The first century...
You mean when the Church of Rome was beginning its violent persecution of dissident sects? I don't think that's a model we want to emulate...
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:08 PM
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36. They would indeed gain some modicum of credibility if they spent energy on their shittiest members..
rather than whining about how atheists are so mean to them.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:44 PM
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41. "sane religious" Is An Oxymoron.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:59 PM
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42. Uh, we sane Christians have no jurisdiction over the fundamentalists
We don't even have any organizational ties, since they refuse to join the National Council of Churches (a "Communist front," according to them).
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