Hey John! Could you possibly make me feel any stupider for supporting your sorry ass?

[asdjrocky]

A sex tape??? A fucking sex tape. No kidding. Great job asswipe.

Listen man, I'm not angle, there are reasons I'm not married anymore. I've been the cheatee and the cheater, I've been spurned and I've done my share of spurring over the fucking years.

John, I've had sex with a lot of women. I mean a whole lot. And guess what Einstein? Take a wild fucking guess. That's right, not one sex tape.

Can't find one anywhere. Sure they've been there, and now they are gone.

Here dumbfuck, let me give you a simple fucking rule, a rule so simple that even a cheating, lying, stupid bastard like yourself can understand it: Where sex tapes are concerned it's

TAPE, WATCH, ENJOY, WATCH AGAIN, DESTROY.

You stupid fuckwad. You would think a lawyer would know to destroy the evidence.

Oh yeah, here's another fuck you- Do you know how many people laughed at me when I gave them my resume and they saw on it the time I spent in three different states working for your campaign? Almost every single one.

Hey John, go fuck yourself, would ya?


And here's a ps for those of you that want to check in and tell me it was the issues that mattered. Sure, and I supported this dickhead based on the issues he said he stood for, but no one I know is this fucking stupid in his personal life. I shook hands with that man 5 times during the campaign, now I'm going to go see if I can wash the stupid off of my right hand.

[catbyte]

1. What did I miss?

Are you speaking of John Edwards? What's he gone and done now?

Inquiring minds want to know... :shrug:

Diane

Anishnabe and proud

[Name removed]

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[asdjrocky]

3. I figured writing about a sex tape in the post would give it away.

And yeah, it's John Edwards, who else?

[mimitabby]

19. there ARE a lot of John's ahem..

and don't call the woman a whore.

[AndyA]

24. Sometimes the truth hurts.

She had an affair with a married man. She knew what the dangers were. And they didn't practice safe sex. What does that make her, Mother Teresa? :eyes:

[uppityperson]

59. having sex with a married man makes a woman a "whore"? Only alt is "mother teresa"?

madonna or whore? gotcha

[AuntPatsy]

92. Curious..what do you call a guy other than an asshole???

I so love the logic of some of those expressing moral outrage in this case considering they nothing of the real details nor will they ever because you know what??? IT was NONE Of our busines..sex between two consulting adults is NONE of mine nor your business.....no wonder this country is so on the rocks right now......

[asdjrocky]

27. You better check your facts before you accuse someone.

I did not, and I would never call a woman that word. You should check the posts and apologise.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

58. That was another poster, subthread calling on it is deleted.

to the best of my memory, it wasn't you. It was someone with a different avatar (I remember visuals better than names).

[sinkingfeeling]

20. You mean the sex tape nobody's seen, but that Young, who's not a happy camp claims exists?

[unpossibles]

4. hmm. did he make the tape or was it made 'for him' so to speak? nt

[AuntPatsy]

93. If there is a tape I have no problem in believing a set up was in place and he had little or no

knowledge of it's existance...your insinuation is much more plausible to myself...

[unpossibles]

100. yeah, I have a REALLY hard time believing he would do something so stupid. nt

[leftstreet]

5. Did your hair stay in place?

I'd watch John's alleged tape just to satisfy my curiosity on that issue

:popcorn:

[Raine]

79. I can just see Hunter running her hands thru

his hair and him stopping the action to get his comb so he put every hair back in place. :silly:

[Happyhippychick]

6. If he fucks himself will he tape it?

[asdjrocky]

9. If I could do that, I'd probably never leave the house.

[Happyhippychick]

28. Okay I laughed out loud at that one.

[AndyA]

7. I think he needs to refund all campaign donations that he received after

his affair began. There's no way he could have won the presidency if such a thing had come out, and he knew it. Sounds like fraud to me.

I want my donations back, John. You're wealthy, you can afford it.

I know how you feel, Rocky. He could have been a great president if he'd kept his zipper zipped up. And with a beautiful wife like Elizabeth, what the hell was he thinking? :shrug:

[asdjrocky]

13. Makes me wonder how I could be so fucking stupid Andy.

I haven't talked about this much but what that fucker did has made me question my judgment and it's unfortunate, but I find it hard to support anyone now.

Thank God for Alan Grayson and the chill he sent up my leg.

[AndyA]

21. We were all taken for a ride, Rocky.

I feel bad for Elizabeth, too. She's such a nice, smart person. A real kind soul from what I've heard. She deserves so much better than a cheating husband.

[WeDidIt]

31. Now there's the biggest victim in all of this

Elizabeth Edwards doesn't deserve teh shit that John dumped on her.

His children are right behind her in line for being victims in this, including the girl he fathered with Rielle.

Those who supported Edwards in the primaries are there, just nowhere near as high up on the list.

[polmaven]

48. So, he is a "cheating husband"

but she is a whore???? Give me a break!

[uppityperson]

60. Exactly! Madonna or Whore double standard going on .

[AndyA]

61. Do you even know what the definition of a whore is?

1.A prostitute.

2.A person considered sexually promiscuous.

3.A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.

"She" as you put it knowingly had a sexual affair with a married man. From what I've read, SHE went after him. Yes, it takes two but with the temptation stuck in someone's face day after day it's certainly more likely to happen.

She didn't practice safe sex with him.

She was willing to compromise his public candidacy, and with it she crapped on every volunteer, thousands of people who worked very hard for Edwards. People like Rocky who traveled all over the country for him. People who donated millions of dollars to him. All of that meant nothing to her. She was more than willing to risk detection and ruin everything so many had worked so hard for.

A whore is not gender specific, so don't even go down that road.

Rielle Hunter may not be #1, but she definitely fits #2 and #3.

Stop defending her, she's hardly a candidate for Sainthood. :eyes:

Note to Rocky: I didn't mean to hijack your thread. This will be the last on this topic in this thread from me.

[uppityperson]

63. It was HIS wife and children, and who's defending her? Did HE practice safe sex with HER?

Try this:
"he didn't practice safe sex with her.

he was willing to compromise his public candidacy, and with it he crapped on every volunteer, thousands of people who worked very hard for Edwards. People like Rocky who traveled all over the country for him. People who donated millions of dollars to him. All of that meant nothing to him. he was more than willing to risk detection and ruin everything so many had worked so hard for."

Why put the blame on her? Why call her a "whore" and not him? That is what we are protesting, that SHE is the "whore" who ruined it all for him. "Yes, it takes two but with the temptation stuck in someone's face day after day it's certainly more likely to happen." But HE is the one who chose to take her on.

[ohheckyeah]

72. So is John. n/t

[noiretextatique]

78. so edwards is a whore

works for me.

[AuntPatsy]

94. Pathetic isn't it..what year is this? What century???

[redqueen]

33. I'm all for that.

I can't believe I sent him money.

You're welcome, Rielle. :grr:

[Divine Discontent]

34. we need to sue him for the $ apparently? he should have given it back. he's one of the greatest

swindlers I've ever met. He said everything right, and I'll admit I was taken in. He spoke what Clinton & Obama wouldn't - like anyone who does that would be allowed to be president!

Yes, he SHOULD give back all the donations from after his affair began, and despite the millions spent on his campaign - if he was honorable, he would do that. We know that answer. God help Elizabeth for loving him...

I'm keeping his autograph, just so I can curse at it for the $200 I gave him.

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. I don't want mine back. He's not the one who disappointed me.

[SoCalDem]

64. What was he thinking?

He was thinking :

I'm a cute guy who looks waaaay younger than my wife..and by the way, now she's sick too, in addition to looking old.

I carried out this family-man crap for a whole lot of years in order to be like JFK..a handsome young president..even spent a whole lot of dough for the wife to pop out two cute little kidlets .just like John-John & Caroline..and all I got for my trouble was 2nd fiddle to Kerry..who LOST..

and then I camped out in Iowa for THREE YEARS, gladhanding every person in the whole damned state, and I still didn't win the primary..

and this willing younger woman wanted me, so I jumped at the chance..she's not great looking, but she thinks I'm hot stuff, and if it gets messy, I'll just deny it all and pay her off..

That's what he was thinking

[mopinko]

8. smelled a slimy bastard the first time i saw him smile.

never believed a word he said. i hope elizabeth gets whatever revenge she desires.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. Did he make you start this thread?

[timeforpeace]

11. Ultra rich trial lawyers are always to be believed when they say they're for the little guy.

[jgraz]

16. Oh please. Save the right-wing memes for a board that cares.

Don't use the Edwards mess to go after citizen access to the court system.

[polmaven]

51. My first thought too.

Ultra rich "trial lawyers"???? :wtf:

[varelse]

110. Look at a few other posts by the same author

a pattern should emerge fairly quickly :(

[gkhouston]

25. In this case, he was... but we didn't realize which "little guy" was being referenced. n/t

[WeDidIt]

32. +1

:thumbsup:

[Barack_America]

26. I believe the hero of the day, Alan Grayson, is an ultra rich trial lawyer.

Possibly something to note for those who agree with your statement.

[nashville_brook]

38. nice stereotyping.

[truedelphi]

12. Ah America. Where only Sex with a Woman not your wife can bring you down

Do the down and dirty with a little boy working as a page in your halls of Congress, and all you need to do is find "Jesus" and all will be forgiven.

Do the deed of being fornicated upon by every Corporate interest known to man and woman, and you'll just be considered a normal "politician."

But do the deed with a woman other than your wife, and if there is a D after your name, you will go down in flames.

[Eric J in MN]

22. Mark Foley is out of politics, too,

...and he wasn't alleged to have had sex with anyone under 18.

[truedelphi]

40. Good to know. I stand corrected...

I would even say, humbly corrected, but my humility is, as ever, in short supply. (Maybe I need to find Jesus?)

[AuntPatsy]

95. So true...I have a tape..it is sad and hilarious at the same time that sings of

what one needs to do to be president in this country..I wish I knew how to download...I'll try to find it..he sings that you can rob, steal, lie and kill...just stay away from that woman..don't touch..don't look...or you will not find yourself presidential material..I think you would love that song...I will try to find it online..

[truedelphi]

113. Pls try and find it - I'd love it

I'd be glad to visit the website if you offer the URL.

And to make it easy for both of us, I'll email(PM) Tinyurl directions.

[rubberducky]

14. I can`t even believe the faith I had in this man and his message.

HOW DARE HE RUN FOR PRES WITH THIS HANGING OVER HIS HEAD!! What the hell is wrong with this man. I`m so ashamed for supporting this asshole. The ego is beyond belief.

[jgraz]

23. I still have faith in the message.

Say what you want about Edwards, but if it wasn't for him Hillary and Obama would have spent the rest of the primaries arguing over who wanted to nuke Iran more.

[cali]

39. what a crock of shit. it was Obama who was against the Iraq war

JE was even more gung ho than the average congress critter. he fucking loved that war, honey.

[jgraz]

41. I said "Iran", not "Iraq"

And Obama was trying to establish his foreign-policy tough guy cred. He agreed with Hillary that the US should "take no options off the table" if Iran attacked Israel. It's pretty easy to find with a simple google query.

[cali]

42. hey, genius, my point was that JE is the one who has the

rah rah war history. it's pretty easy to see what a disgusting war loving piece of shit JE was. Not to mention an amoral fuck who never gave a shit about the poor on anyone but himself. Just google.

[jgraz]

44. No, your point is that you're looking for a fight

It's the point of every one of your posts. Go look somewhere else.

[AuntPatsy]

96. .....

O8)

[karynnj]

69. JRE also said some pretty militant things

As you can see, he was as hawkish as Hillary when he spoke before the Jewish audience - then less hawkish before a progressive writer. Of the three, Obama was the least hawkish.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_02/010678.php

I used google too!

[jgraz]

74. I'm not defending Edwards. I'm simply stating that his progressive ideas helped shape the debate

Nobody who was paying attention during the primaries can dispute that.

[karynnj]

76. I think he did position himself to the left of the other two

- but I think the range of difference was pretty narrow. In fact, all three ran on platforms that were pretty close to Kerry's 2004 platform, with Iraq changed in Clinton's and Obama's case to be stretched out versions of Kerry/Feingold. (Edwards was somewhat different - but in 2006, he was reluctant to agree with Kerry and Feingold - his plan never seemed all that detailed in 2008.)

In fact, if you were to compare Edwards 2008 to Kerry 2004 and Edwards 2004 - it is closer to Kerry 2004 - especially on healthcare,where Edwards had one of the weakest plans in 2004 and he attacked both Dean and Kerry for theirs being too ambitious, and on the environment/global warming where it was obvious that Kerry was a committed environmentalist and Edwards wasn't.

[rubberducky]

46. This is what is so sad was that he had a wonderful message.

The problem isn`t just the affair, it`s the lies that followed it. The lies to people who believed in him. The lies to his wife, she has to live with, but the lies to the people who supported this man are so unconscionable. What would have happened if he would have been elected? This would have destroyed his admin. I simply do not understand what Elizabeth and him were thinking about. Did they think they could just say "Oops"?

[sofa king]

47. Yeah, the message is fine. The man is kinky.

And in my book, that is also fine as long as it involves consenting adults.

[Shell Beau]

91. Yeah, but if he was the candidate and this came out, John McCain

could be the pres. Not ok in my book.

And consenting adults, that is all fine and dandy when you aren't married. Especially when your wife is possibly dying of cancer. How is this supposed to look to people? Ok, he was stressed. Whatever. This would have impacted people's voting. Not to even mention how gross it was he did that to his sick wife.

[waiting for hope]

57. +1

[panader0]

15. If he wasn't a serious candidate for POTUS, this shit wouldn't matter

but he was. While I have been an Obama supporter from the beginning, I saw Edwards as VP or AG. His fight for the poor was genuine (I think). Sex tapes are pretty foolish. It's like getting your first girlfriend's name tattooed on your ass. I have been married three times, and had several girlfriends, but always, only one at a time.

[dem mba]

112. Vitter and Sanford would beg to differ - nt

[Brickbat]

17. I'm going to give you a personal HELL YEAH on this one.

Because goddamn, I'm feeling more and more like a dumbass myself.

[cali]

18. sorry, rocky. no one worked harder than you for JE

and I know how much you believed in him.

[asdjrocky]

29. Thanks, that means something coming from you.

And you know I'm not being sarcastic, I mean that.

[madmom]

35. I'm curious, what do you call a woman who sleeps with a man she knows is married and

has small children. I can think of a lot of not so very nice things, but I might get chastised. Just what do you call her? And YES she does share part of the blame! She knew!

[cali]

36. sure she shares part of the blame, but he's the betrayer. It was HIS

wife and his small children.

[polmaven]

56. Exactly...

She may be called "the other woman", but for one poster to call HIM a "cheating husband", and her a "whore" is VERY backwards.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

54. My dad's second wife?

:shrug:

[geek tragedy]

65. How many people donated money and time to her?

Oh, yeah. Only Fred Baron, and he's dead.

[asdjrocky]

67. I'm not sure what I call her.

But I know who I blame, I blame the guy with the wife and family.

I had lots of opportunities to cheat and every time I did it it was my fault and my fault alone. What do you say to your child if they say, "Timmy made me do it." I tell my children it's up to them to know what is right, not Timmy.

It's hard to say no to women sometimes, it's hard to say no to the little head, but real men learn how.

[madmom]

80. Timmy may have made him do it, but John didn't MAKE her screw him. She is

very very low life in my opinion. You DON"T sleep with someones else's spouse I don't care what excuse you/they have. YOU WAIT! period, no exceptions! She can think with her "other head" also. When I was younger, I also had the chance to date married men, but I didn't, I respected the other woman, or maybe just myself. They are both scum.

[asdjrocky]

85. Her betrayal was only to herself because she had no family.

John betrayed his family and the American public. Sure, it takes two to tango, but it's usually only the woman who has to dance backwards.

[jimshoes]

37. Yeah lets get everybody worked up about

this. Or not. I'm thinkin' not.

[closeupready]

43. This forum is big enough to accommodate Dem ground troops who feel betrayed by shit like this.

I think it's healthy for people to get this stuff off their chests. If you'd spent years of your life devoted to getting someone elected, and they pulled this shit, you'd also feel betrayed.

[catbyte]

45. I liked what he said, BUT

there was something about him that was off-putting to me. I couldn't put my finger on it. I thought it may be that almost-smarmy way about him, but there was something else to it. I've got a really great bullshit detector, and it was warning me that there was something very, very wrong. Now I know what it was. Phony devoted family man. Ick. :puke:

Too bad, because he said all the right things. I'm glad I didn't give him any money--I'd be royally pissed now!

If that woman got hush money, I guess she is a "professional", but whore is such an ugly, misogynistic word, and there's really no male equivalent. And technically, I don't think she's an adulteress because she wasn't married, not that it matters now.

Whatever,

Diane

Anishnabe and proud

[Manifestor_of_Light]

99. He has the same sleazy aura as a TV preacher.

Fake, fake, fake. Big smirk. Perfect hair. Yuck.

[Nye Bevan]

49. I have been thinking of Edwards as our Gingrich

but with this news my opinion of him has fallen even lower.

[ddeclue]

50. How do you know it wasn't Rielle's tape? She was the videographer after all.

[asdjrocky]

82. It would matter who's tape it is?

[CreekDog]

53. I'm really sorry, but that post is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time

I'm sorry for your frustration and embarassment.

Remind me not to make you angry. :rofl:

:fistbump:

[asdjrocky]

70. Thanks CreekDog-

I'm a slow boil person, but once the top blows, look out.

[AuntPatsy]

97. lol

[waiting for hope]

55. Rocky - did it ever occur to you that

perhaps Hunter made the tape without John knowing? From what I've seen of her and her actions, (taking an 18 month old to a nine hour court proceeding is beyond the pale, she was using it as a photo-op) it is very likely she set it up without him knowing - and to boot, does it really exist? Andrew Young seems awfully eager to cash in.

[asdjrocky]

71. If he didn't know there was a tape, he should have.

Hope, I just get to the point where it can't all be the world against him.

He messed up badly enough with this thing so far that I'm ready to believe just about anything. As far as the quality of her character, it seems that two people with just about the same character got together, and did a lot of wrong things to a very good woman.

I'll support the cause, but I'm done with the man. (And I use the word "man" here just about as loosely as I can.)

[waiting for hope]

90. I understand your frustration and can appreciate

where you are coming from, myself, I can't get worked up over this. The story about the tape came out months ago, and after some conversations I've had with other supporters, some that were very close to the campaign, I have to say, Andrew Young is a first class creep. Did you know he stole Wade's baseball cards? Elizabeth caught him. At this point, I am staying neutral. What John did was not right, I grant you that, but he without sin cast the first stone. Was anything he said on the campaign trail concerning the rigged game in DC wrong? Give him credit for that at least, he was the only one speaking for us and saying the Democrats need to grow a backbone. After everything that has happened with Wall Street and with Health Care, do you doubt the correctness of his message? I want to share a comment from a mutual friend:

"This whole thing sure was effective at destroying his political career, and at discrediting his message, and at eliminating any possibility of his followers starting a political movement around his ideas.

You couldn't write a better script, and things could not have gone better for the ruling class."

The more people write him off, the more the message is diminished.

[CreekDog]

73. yeah maybe we should give John Edwards the benefit of the doubt.

nah! :rofl: :thumbsdown:

[CreekDog]

62. Shouldn't you wait until this is confirmed and there's proof before calling him a douchebag?

Nah.

:rofl:

[geek tragedy]

66. He's already been proven to be a douchebag.

The question is whether he's a giant douchebag or an unbelievably humungous titanic douchebag.

[CreekDog]

75. Is that really an open question anymore?

:rofl:

[undeterred]

68. When there were 9 candidates I supported Kucinich

and almost every other progressive Democrat in town was having a fundraiser for pretty boy John Edwards and told me Kucinich wasn't ready for the big times...well it doesn't give me much pleasure, but my gut instincts were correct.

[Stinky The Clown]

77. Be easy on yourself.

Lots of people got sucked in.

[Raine]

81. That I supported this piece of shit

makes me :blush: :puke: :cry:

[Ignis]

83. I think we need a "Burn Your Edwards Campaign Items" party.

I know I have several t-shirts, buttons, and signs still hidden disgracefully in a closet somewhere. :blush:

[robcon]

84. I don't much care about his infidelity. What bothers me is his political selfishness.

If he had won the nomination, then we found out about his infidelity, we'd be talking about President McCain today.

Edwards is the worst Democratic nominee for president in my lifetime: he doesn't care about the country, he only cares about John Edwards.

His wife is no better...

"Young was under the impression that Edwards would, after dropping out, step forward and claim paternity - which he showed no inclination of doing.

Elizabeth Edwards, meanwhile, had been leaving messages on Young's and Young's wife's voice mail, two sources say Young told them, demanding that he reassert his paternity to clear the cloud over her husband."

[Old Hob]

86. I heard there's a video of him smoking crack with underage Taiwanese sex slaves floating around.

just kidding

[HughMoran]

87. I'm not an angle either, I'm a trapezoid

:)

[asdjrocky]

105. Oops, I so often do that.

[TexasObserver]

88. Co-sign.

[opihimoimoi]

89. Its on YOUTUBE???? Where? Damn, why am I the last one?

[slipslidingaway]

98. Forget the affair and any possible tape for the moment...

many times Edwards said things that just did not support his past actions. When people tried to point this out they were met by others who either had excuses for the switch, silence...there was no reply, or people would just praise what he said.

Instead of being angry at Edwards maybe people need to look back and see how things were missed. Sorry to those who were sucked in by this person, but we need to be alert for the next time.

:)

Looking back through my journal I know that I posted a bunch of stuff...

‘Made in China’ hazards began with ‘Made in Washington, D.C.’

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3716361&mesg_id=3716361

The 9/5/02 Intelligence Committee Meeting with George Tenet...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3660383&mesg_id=3661709

He was wrong on more than just his vote, I posted some of the following information to several of Edwards' supporters, each time the answer is the same, silence...

[rucky]

101. This thread is useless without video. n/t

[Toasterlad]

102. Why Is It Any Concern Of Yours Where John Edwards Puts His Penis, Or Who Gets to See It?

History is full of affair-having leaders who where non-the-less great leaders. Why does John Edwards owe anyone but his wife a dry penis?

[TankLV]

103. YES! YES IT FUCKING IS! BECAUSE THIS FUCKING HYPOCRITE EDWAREDS IS SOOO FUCKING CONCERNED WITH MY

GAY SEX LIFE AND CLINTON'S SEX LIFE THAT HE HAS CONSTANTLY FELT THE NEED TO CONDEMN IT EVERY FUCKING CHANCE HE COULD GET!!!!

NOW DO YOU THE FUCK GET IT?!!!

I know you will refuse to...

[Orsino]

108. There we go.

Anyone who favors discrimination based on some mystical beliefs about marriage had at least better be living up to those fake standards of ethical behavior.

Or the whole thing falls apart.

I'd like to ask Edward now how he feels about depriving same-sex couples of marriage licenses, and whether he's willing to give up his own.

[asdjrocky]

104. I put in a lot of time for that man.

Anyone with any understanding of how the political waters run -weather you agree with it or not- in this country knows that in this new "moral" century he did not stand a chance if it was revealed, especially in the way it was revealed.

Don't presume to lecture me on what is or is not my concern.

[TankLV]

114. Deleted.

wrong response...

[struggle4progress]

106. It's had plenty of time to surface, if it actually exists: the allegation is months old:

Aide's tale of John Edwards sex tape
Rush & Molloy
Sunday, June 28th 2009, 10:21 PM
... Former Edwards aide Andrew Young says the ex-senator and his former mistress, Rielle Hunter, once made a sex tape, according to someone who has seen Young’s book proposal ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/06/28/2009-06-28_aides_tale_of_john_edwards_sex_tape.html

[asdjrocky]

107. Yeah, I haven't been paying much attention to the whole sordid soap opera.

I just caught the tease on the news and I kind of blew my top.

I've pretty much had it with the guy and his whole damned family.

[saracat]

115. Frankly, though you are mad at Edwards, I get that, I have no clue

why you would believe anything that pychopath Young had to say. This is old news and he is willing to say anything for money.Baron died and his money source dried up.If there were a tape, it would have surfaced by now.He would use it to promote the book if nothing else.

Love ya Rocky, but as bad as this crap was, there is no reason to listen to a psycho like Young or to tar the entire Edwards family with the same brush you paint John.Just my opinion and I worked for him too.And I still believe in the message.

[varelse]

109. I'm not laughing

I'm still very, very grateful to have someone like you on our side. :hug:

[asdjrocky]

111. And that goes double for me!

:hug: