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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:10 PM
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Big Quakes Weaken Faults on Other Side of Earth
Massive earthquakes on one side of the globe can weaken faults half a world away, scientists announced today.

A group of seismologists studying the massive 2004 earthquake that triggered killer tsunamis throughout the Indian Ocean found that the quake had weakened at least a portion of California's famed San Andreas Fault.

The finding, detailed in the Oct. 1 issue of the journal Nature, suggests Earth's largest earthquakes can weaken fault zones worldwide and trigger periods of increased global seismic activity.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/090930-fault-weakening.html

Okay. Now everybody can have some "fun."
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:22 PM
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1. This is why climate weapons are banned.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:24 PM
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2. Wow, interesting.
For years I had heard that argument "pooh poohed", though it made sense to me. :shrug:

The eastern part of The Ring has been lit up like a mother fucker for several years now - many major, major quakes. Am just waiting for it to start heading our way out here in CA. :scared:
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:33 PM
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3. Forget CA, just wait 'til Yellowstone Caldera wakes up...
...Then we really are toast.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:38 PM
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7. Dude, you got that right. That's hug my kids cover their eyes time.
Man, for some of the most advanced organisms within at least 4 cubic light years, you'd think the Universe would fucking cut us some slaaaaack.

Oh right, there is no God. (Goddamnit!)

PB
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:53 PM
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15. Well that may very well be an extinction level event
on the bright side, it will solve the global warming issue for a few years, while other non apex species start recovering

Life will go on... just not with us. Or if it does... well that is another evolutionary bottleneck.

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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:56 PM
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37. That's gonna be awesome. Front row seats to the end of humanity.
Everyone on the western half of the continent will be toast in a matter of hours. The rest of the worlds populations will die out pretty quickly after that.

Humanity will be lucky to be pushed back to the stone age. But...the earth will heal, cleanse itself, and start all over again just like it has many many times before us. That comforts me in a way.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:48 PM
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10. Love... is a burning thing...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:36 PM
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4. I have world and CA/NV shake maps up today...
And I refresh them from time to time... I've lived here all my life, but for the past four years I've been in a glass and steel tower in downtown Los Angeles... not really where I want to be right now...

http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:55 PM
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27. I have CA quake info emailed to me
From that same web site. It is really nice since my daughter lives in San Francisco. I get the report at the same time the media does; the news stories pop out a few minutes later.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:05 PM
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29. Me too!
There are over forty in the folder I have them sent to... :scared:

I just hope I'm home, and not on the 39th floor in this building!
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:36 PM
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33. I would be nervous there too
But hopefully it was built with earthquake safety in mind.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:59 PM
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38. I'm told it was...
And as the office manager, I've laid in mass supplies! If the building remains standing, we will have food to last quite a while... space blankets, water, flashlights... all that stuff.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:36 PM
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5. Back in 2004 there were people here speculating if this were a possibility.
It's terrifying to know that not only was it, but it did.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:37 PM
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6. If that fault goes, I believe many of us can bend over and kiss our
collective asses goodby. I'm sitting on that fault fifteen miles from a nuclear plant. If you hear of such an earthquake here on the coast and you don't hear from me, well it was a pleasure knowing all of you.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:50 PM
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12. I'm in Redding below Shasta Dam
if there's a Cascadian event, well it was a pleasure knowing all of you.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:26 PM
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31. It's beautiful there, but if the dam cracks....?
I understand that our nuke plant is built to withstand an 8 magnitude earthquake. We shall see if we have an event just what it actually will withstand. Have you checked what specs the dam is built to?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:44 PM
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34. It's solid concrete
but I don't know what specs it was built to. :shrug:
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:41 PM
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8. I dunno i kinda file this under... "duh"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:48 PM
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11. I had the same reaction...
wouldn't this be kind of expected? Many of these faults are connected, so...
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:57 PM
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19. It would seem to be a "duh" statement.
However, they have been trying to find some proof and use the knowledge to possibly make predictions. In addition, sometimes there aren't correlations where we expect them to be.
Our assumptions may make sense, but in fact they may not be true.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:58 PM
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20. Yep...
well I'm glad they managed to find the proof... hopefully it will help with predictions and planning.

And with getting funding for stuff that some morons don't seem to be too concerned about. :)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:46 PM
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9. I keep wondering what the weight of rising ocean water will do to under-sea faults.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:52 PM
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13. Them guys with Ph.Ds have actually also speculated on that
of course people who have no clue about science had a good laugh.

Seems them pointy head intellectuals were and are right, and them the world was created 6000 years ago crowd are wrong, as usual.

Yes I read that story some years back and linked to the Reuters version of it yesterday...

Here you go

http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE58F62I20090916
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:54 PM
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17. Not everything is related to global warming.
How much have oceans risen? Couple inches.
How deep is the ocean on average? 12,400 ft deep.

That is 148,800 inches. If the average ocean has risen say 3 inches that is a gain of 1/500ths of 1%.
It would be like saying if the average human (180lbs) gained 1/20th of 1 ounce how much increased stress would that place on their skeletal structure.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:09 PM
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25. They're talking about a 2m rise by 2060.
That is very significant. It will alter Earth's gravity distribution, and centrifugal and tidal forces.

No idea if that's enough to start shifting plates around, but it's something to at least think about.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:16 PM
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26. Not much, but the less the weight of ice on Antarctica, the more it rises.
All the plates around it will have to shift accordingly - sometimes abruptly.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:52 PM
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14. I always wonder if the skyscrapers in big cities collectively push on the tectonic plates.
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 04:53 PM by wroberts189

And if some day they may come tumbling down.


Just call me Cassandra.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:54 PM
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16. Don't weigh enough
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 04:54 PM by nadinbrzezinski
now glaciers melting, water putting more pressure... now that does put some interesting pressures on them faults...
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:58 PM
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21. Glad I live inland suburbia .. 100ft above sea level.


Still I know... none of us are fully safe. My house could not take a strong quake.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:57 PM
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18. No.
Generally speaking the amount of dirt and rock removed to create the foundation of the tower weighs more than the tower itself.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:01 PM
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23. That is reassuring. I hope you are right. nt
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:59 PM
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28. The average continental plate is 35-40km thick. An office tower is nothing in comparison to that.
A grouping of office towers still wouldn't be anything.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 04:59 PM
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22. well.......
shit.
dd moving to san fran next week.

like Mom wasn't obsessing on too many things already.

Sigh............

Actually, I figured this was all too true- been wondering about it since the latest quakes happened.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 05:04 PM
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24. Quick !.... Get out NOW!
...while you still can.
Don't forget toilet paper and extra batteries for the flashlight~
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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:08 PM
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40. Duct Tape! Lots of duct tape....
we can rebuild civilization with that shit.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:07 PM
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30. I dug a hole to china when I was a kid and I saw evidence all
along the trip.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:27 PM
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32. Just wait until oct 17th
:evilgrin:
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:56 PM
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39. What's on the 17th?
:shrug:

-Hoot
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:46 PM
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35. The earth is mad that we raped the moon.
Blame the evil, rapist scientists.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 06:51 PM
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36. The planet Mercury got smacked so hard it changed terrain on the other side of the planet..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloris_Basin

Antipodal chaotic terrain and global effects

The giant impact believed to have formed Caloris may have had global consequences for the planet. At the exact antipode of the basin is a large area of hilly, grooved terrain, with few small impact craters that are known as the Chaotic Terrain (also 'Weird Terrain'). It is thought by some to have been created as seismic waves from the impact converged on the opposite side of the planet
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