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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:10 PM
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FUCKING BRILLIANT Description of the Bi-Partisan Fiasco That Passes for HEALTH-CARE DEBATE In The US

The Reason for the Anger and Intractability of the Debate Over Health Care Reform in the United States:


Written by Chris Floyd
Tuesday, 29 September 2009 12:58


One side is lying; the other side is not telling the truth.



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Or to put it another way: One side is pretending that a wildly reactionary plan to further enrich rapacious corporations is really hardcore, gutbucket socialism from the Bolshevik trenches, while the other side is pretending that its "reform" is not really a wildly reactionary plan to further enrich rapacious corporations but something that will somehow, in some way, be good for some people at some point way down the line.

*

One often finds that dealing in such utter unreality makes it somewhat difficult to achieve workable solutions to real-life problems.


http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/1848-the-reason-for-the-anger-and-intractability-of-the-debate-over-health-care-reform-in-the-united-states.html
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:15 PM
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1. "while the other side is pretending that its 'reform'" Brilliant?
:rofl:

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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:53 PM
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2. Pretty funny isn't it?
The joke's on us it seems.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:02 PM
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6. "The joke's on us it seems." On you, maybe. n/t
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:08 PM
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7. Elaborate
I think Chris Floyd summed it up perfectly. Do you have any evidence that proves him wrong? Not faith, not hope, but evidence.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:56 PM
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3. Goddammit he's right.
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 07:56 PM by anonymous171
He's so fucking right it isn't even funny.
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:59 PM
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4. Perfect!
It's funny 'cause it's true.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:00 PM
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5. Nailed it! nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:41 PM
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8. " a wildly reactionary plan to further enrich rapacious corporations"

is exactly right.

KR.


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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:43 AM
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9. Morning reality check
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:46 AM
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10. K & R
Just the truth
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:45 PM
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12. Thanks
More news goo distracting the masses. Now it's Olympic-spectacle 101.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:48 AM
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11. Short & sweet & right on.
K & R
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 05:52 PM
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13. NICE! Here's another take on the "debate" from a self-described "redneck writer".
The Entertainment Value of Snuffing Grandma

A nation of children roots for the Mafia

By Joe Bageant

Every day I get letters asking me to weigh in on the healthcare fracas. As if a redneck writer armed with a keyboard, a pack of smokes and all the misinformation and vitriol available on the Internet could contribute anything to the crap storm already in progress. Besides that, my unreasoned but noisy take on this issue is often about as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. None of which has ever stopped me from making a fool of myself in the past. So here goes.

There ain't any healthcare debate going on, Bubba. What is going on are mob negotiations about insurance, and which mob gets the biggest chunk of the dough, be it our taxpayer dough or the geet that isn't in ole Jim's impoverished purse. The hoo-ha is about the insurance racket, not the delivery of healthcare to human beings. It's simply another form of extorting the people regarding a fundamental need -- health.

Unfortunately, the people have been mesmerized by our theater state's purposefully distracting and dramatic media productions for so long they've been mutated toward helplessness. Consequently, they are incapable of asking themselves a simple question: If insurance corporation profits are one third of the cost of healthcare, and all insurance corporations do is deliver our money to healthcare providers for us (or actually, do everything in their power to keep the money for themselves), why do we need insurance companies at all? Answer: Because Wall Street gets a big piece of the action. And nobody messes with the Wall Street Mob (as the bailout extortion money proved). Better (and worse) presidents have tried. Some made a genuine effort to push it through Congress. Others expressed the desire publicly, but after getting privately muscled by the healthcare industry, decided to back off from the idea. For instance:

* Franklin Roosevelt wanted universal healthcare.
* Harry Truman wanted universal healthcare.
* Dwight Eisenhower wanted universal healthcare.
* Richard Nixon wanted universal healthcare.
* Lyndon Johnson wanted universal healthcare.
* Bill Clinton wanted -- well we can't definitely say because he made sure that if the issue blew up on him, which it did, Hillary would be left holding the turd. Is it any wonder that woman gets so snappy at the slightest provocation? First getting left to hold the bag on healthcare, then the spots on that blue dress.

So why did American liberals believe Obama would bring home the healthcare bacon? Because they live in an ideological cupcake land. It's a big neighborhood, a very special place where "Your vote is important," and "by electing the right candidate, you can change our beloved nation." Most of America lives in that neighborhood, even though they've never personally met. It's a place where the shrubbery and flowerbeds of such things as "values" and "hope" bloom. Hope that our desires coupled with the efforts of a good and decent president can affect "change." Evidently these voters never heard the old adage, "Hope in one hand and piss in the other, and see which one fills up first."

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2009/08/the-entertainment-value-of-snuffing-grandma.html
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 10:18 AM
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14. Kicking
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