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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:57 AM
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McChrystal Must Testify
On Thursday, 22 Democratic congress members introduced a bill to deny funding to any escalation of war in Afghanistan, and 60 Democratic senators voted that Congress should not even speak to a general about that war until after the president has decided whether to escalate it. These two actions come out of very different understandings of war powers.

The particular worldview of the 22 House members, which could also be called "The United States Constitution", holds that the Congress alone has the power and the responsibility to determine whether wars are begun or ended, escalated or scaled back, and to raise and fund and oversee any military force necessary for fighting a war, while the president's role as the executor of the will of Congress is to serve as the civilian commander of the military during a time that Congress has designated and in wars that Congress has authorized.

This view is sometimes accompanied by the belief that elected representatives should represent the views of their constituents, even including their current views at any given moment, not just at the time of the most recent election. Given that the majority of Americans, and certainly the majority of the residents of many Democratic congressional districts, oppose the war in Afghanistan, Congress -- in this "Constitutional" view -- has the responsibility to block the funding of any escalation and possibly of the continuation of the war at its current level, as well as the duty to determine how the war is being conducted and to make that information known.

In this same theory of government, then, Democratic Congressman Steny Hoyer (whatever his motivations) was technically right when he recently proposed that General Stanley McChrystal be brought in to testify. And so was Republican Senator John McCain. McChrystal ought to be brought in at his earliest convenience, and subpoenaed if he declines. And such a subpoena ought to be enforced by the Capitol Police, not the Justice Department. And if McChrystal's testimony proves unsatisfactory, President Barack Obama should be brought in to testify. And if no testimony persuades the public of a need to continue or escalate a war, then -- in addition to the need to end illegal, aggressive, foreign wars even if popular -- such a war should be defunded. And any misspending of unappropriated funds to continue a war must be treated as an impeachable offense. At least that's one theory.

In contrast, the theory of government embodied in the vote of 60 senators (the same 60 incapable of passing healthcare reform, workers' rights, fair trade, greenhouse gas limitations, or anything else worthwhile), their vote to NOT ask McChrystal to testify until the president has decided what to do, might be accurately labeled "elected despotism." In this theory, civilian control over the military is maintained, but congressional checks on the power of the so-called executive are eliminated. Congress does not determine the existence or extent of wars. Congress does not deliberate upon the need to spend public resources. Congress takes its orders from the office that the Constitution that was established to faithfully execute the will of Congress. Congress spends money where the president tells it to.

This theory is often accompanied by the belief that the American people can and should go cheney themselves. And it is almost by definition accompanied by the belief that Congress members should behave weakly and in a subservient manner. This means that bringing a general in, with his flashy and important uniform, would not be an opportunity to question him on how -- if at all -- he is serving the desires of the American people. Rather such a hearing would be an occasion for flattering a war criminal and professing one's allegiance to military rule. Therefore, it is wiser -- in this despotic theory of governance -- to allow the general to pressure the president through the corporate media cartel, than to put him in a position of being questioned by congressional courtiers.

On Thursday, 59 Senators voted against Senator McCain's proposal that McChrystal appear sometime in the next six weeks, and 60 senators (including one Republican) voted for Democratic Senator Carl Levin's amendment stipulating that McChrystal not testify until the president had already determined, independently of the Congress, whether and how to escalate a war.

Now, McCain is as slimy as they come, and his intention is purely to escalate a war. He has shown no interest in preserving the institution of Congress as a force in our government. But what he said was exactly right:

"So it's ok with the administration for general McChrystal to go on '60 minutes', it's ok for him to give a speech at the Institute for Strategic Studies in London, but the administration does not want general McChrystal and General Petraeus before the Senate Armed Services Committee. How does that work?"

Levin then defended this policy by arguing that the Democratic Congress had taken a principled stand for despotism even when Bush was in the White House:

"Indeed General Petraeus did testify relative to the Iraq surge, but he only testified after the decision was made relative to that surge by the president of the United States. And the person who was the commander in Iraq at that time, while the deliberative process was under way in the White House as to whether or not a surge should take place, did not testify, was not asked to testify. There was no pressure placed on the president of the United States during those three months when he was deliberating on whether or not to surge troops."

So, the president should decide whether or not to spend our money and lives on an illegal war, and should not even be pressured in one direction or another by Congress. It is a measure of how twisted our system of government has become that this failure of Congress is depicted as one of restraining , rather than loosing, the dogs of war. It is because senators cannot imagine themselves besting a general in a hearing, much less employing the power of the purse, that their open transfer of war-making power to a president is depicted as supposedly cooling the fires of war.

Fortunately, we don't need the Senate to end a war. We would need it to enact into law the bill that has been introduced in the House to block the funding of an escalation. But we do not need the Senate to actually block all funding for the wars. That can be done by persuading House members to vote no on "defense" appropriations or on the next war "supplemental" bill. And we don't even need the full House in order to bring McChrystal in for questioning. A committee can do that, and every committee has the power to enforce its own subpoenas if it could only remember where it left its backbones.

A conference is being held in Washington, D.C., October 2nd and 3rd on the question of "Who Decides About War?" Clearly the question needs to be asked: http://www.whodecidesaboutwar.org
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:37 PM
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1. Much as I would like to be able to agree with you, davidswanson
I think your reading of the Constitution is skewed.

Congress has the sole authority to declare war, but the president is in charge of commanding the military once war has been declared by Congress. We could ask whether Congress declared war pursuant to the Constitution in Afghanistan, but we we have been there so long that question is for all practical purposes moot. So, now the president, not Congress, is in charge. He is the commander in chief.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:55 PM
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3. You are spot on, JD.
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 01:57 PM by truedelphi
Wish it wasn't so, but that's pretty much how I see it too.

Of course if our Commander in Chief was really truly providing us with "Change we can believe in" none of this would even be up for discussion.


USA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN -- WAR MONIES
MUST CONVERT TO HEALTH CARE MONIES FOR ALL


UNIVERSAL SINGLE PAYER FOR ALL!

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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:01 PM
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5. amazing how many people on this site
saw it just that way with regard to bush and iraq for 6 years

stunning consistency
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:14 PM
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7. There was a song by The Who that predicted all of this
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 02:14 PM by truedelphi
"The New Boss same as the Old Boss."

And a full decade before The Who, a man named Che Guevara explained in his writings and speeches his theory of "the negotiated solution." To wit - any time the militaristic powers-that-be realize how the people lie only a stone's throw from full revolt, then the powers-that-be must scrap the old, dictatorial in appearance Old Boss, and substitute in a new boss who is pleasing in temperament, good at PR and possesses an "image" that resonates with the people, though his policies are pretty much the same as the old dictator's policies were.

The advantage of this strategy over a bloody coup is that then the people themselves rise to the defense of the new leader, as they "voted" for him and think it was all done inside "free elections."
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 03:18 PM
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8. You misunderstand, DavidSwanson. Congress can refuse to
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 03:21 PM by JDPriestly
authorize money for the war. That's how it can end the war. But whether or not to increase the troops other than as a budget item is in the president's hands.

Congress has to deal with the president on the details of the conduct of the war. I don't know whether I support Obama's wish to increase the troops (if that is what he wants) or not. I'm just telling you how I read the Constitution on this. Frankly, I do not know what is going on in Afghanistan. Does anyone? I do know that Pakistan, with its nuclear arsenal is a concern to people in the region including India. I don't know whether Pakistan's arsenal is a concern to Iran or to the USSR.

I very much wish you were right. Unfortunately, the Constitution was the first stupid compromise with the righties.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:11 PM
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9. JD - you might be interested in the OP posted over
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 04:12 PM by truedelphi
at tinyrevolution.com Title of article is "Good call, James Madison"

You'll need to scroll down to the discussion about Madison, Adams and Franklin. And how much energy was put into seeing that the POPULACE didn't have more ability to frame an issue than the private land owners (i.e. the rich and powerful.) The comments as well as the OP are worth checking out.

Of course most of this type of late eighteenth century discussion didn't come about until after the Powers that Be used the sorry asses of the common person to fight off the Brits.

Also - I am rec'ing this story, and am not offering an opinion on other stories at that site.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:00 PM
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4. yeah?
what's he gonna spend?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:40 PM
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2. That's how they finally ended that other lost war in Vietnam. No money, no war. K&R
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:02 PM
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6. you got it
http://feingold.senate.gov/releases/07/01/20070131iraq.html

On numerous occasions, Congress has exercised its constitutional authority to end military engagements. Here are just a few examples:

Cambodia – In late December 1970, Congress passes the Supplemental Foreign Assistance Appropriations Act prohibiting the use of funds to finance the introduction of United States ground combat troops into Cambodia or to provide U.S. advisors to or for Cambodian military forces in Cambodia.

Vietnam – In late June 1973, Congress passes the second Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY1973. This legislation contains language cutting off funds for combat activities in Vietnam after August 15, 1973.

Somalia – In November 1993, the Department of Defense Appropriations Act includes a provision that prohibits funding after March 31, 1994 for military operations in Somalia, except for a limited number of military personnel to protect American diplomatic personnel and American citizens, unless further authorized by Congress.

Bosnia – In 1998, Congress passes the Defense Authorization Bill, with a provision that prohibits funding for Bosnia after June 30, 1998, unless the President makes certain assurances.

##

And Iran-Contra was result of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boland_Amendment

The Boland Amendment was the name given to three U.S. legislative amendments between 1982 and 1984, all aimed at limiting US government assistance to the rebel Contras in Nicaragua. The first Boland Amendment was to the House Appropriations Bill of 1982, which was attached as a rider to the Defense Appropriations Act of 1983, named for the Massachusetts Democrat, Representative Edward Patrick Boland, who authored it. The House of Representatives passed the Defense Appropriations Act 411-0 on December 8, 1982<1> and it was signed by President Ronald Reagan on December 21, 1982.<2> The amendment outlawed US assistance to the Contras for the purpose of overthrowing the Nicaraguan government, while allowing assistance for other purposes.<3>

Beyond restricting overt US support of the Contras, the most significant effect of the Boland Amendment was the controversial Iran-Contra Affair.
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