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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:48 AM
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If the Russians Did This to Us, We'd Kill 'Em
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 11:51 AM by inna
If the Russians Did This to Us, We'd Kill 'Em

Author: David Michael Green

http://www.commondreams.org/print/47770

If the Russians had come here and done this -- if they had come and stolen our resources, if they come and enslaved our children into inescapable soul-numbing jobs, if they had left us with environmental degradation and a wrecked economy and destroyed education system and a crumbling infrastructure and a sieve-like healthcare regime -- if the Russians had come and done any or all of this, we would've risen up in anger and hostility and patriotism and nationalism, and we'd have loaded up our weapons and killed every last one of them.

But it wasn't the Russians that did it, it was our own overclass. And worse still, it was our own government acting as though they were protecting us from the evil bogeyman du jour, while in fact they were assisting the wealthy in bleeding us dry, until our anemia left us fit only for our profit-seeking hospitals.

...

What is absolutely astonishing about the moment that we live in is that we have been essentially invaded, we have been absolutely looted, and yet we don't seem to be the slightest bit angry about that.

If the Russians had done it, we would be absolutely furious. But in fact, it was our own overclass that did it, and not only are we not furious at them, we don't even notice the crime. Or, if we do notice, we're furious at some ridiculously inappropriate target, like a 'liberal' president who isn't even remotely liberal.

America has always been a country with its full and fair share of flaws, but for quite some time during the middle part of the twentieth century, we got one thing reasonably right. There was a bargain then, between elites and the government and the public. According to the terms of the deal, the aristocracy would still be fantastically rich, but there would be limitations on their wealth, because some of that wealth, some substantial amount, needed to be shared with the working people and the middle class, and it was the role of government to make sure that that happened. Many among the well-to-do even shared that consensus.

Since Ronald Reagan rode into town, however, that deal is off the table, replaced by what is essentially a new New Deal -- or, more accurately, simply the Bad Old Deal. Under the terms of this new/old arrangement, the unregulated wealthy grab absolutely everything they can get their hands on, the middle class scrambles for whatever bare existence it can maintain, and the rest of America, the working class and the poor, fall deeper and deeper into third world-style poverty. Under the terms of this new system, the role of the government is no longer to provide for the welfare of the people, nor to ensure that there are limitations on what the plutocracy can liberate from them. Under the terms of this new arrangement, the function of the government is simply to serve as a tool, assisting that plutocracy in depriving America's own people of everything that can be taken from them.

...

Worse yet, as if the American public hasn't already been stupid enough, here we are thirty years down the road from the advent of Reaganism, and we still don't get it. Here we are after three decades of being looted, still unable to figure out who's ripping us off. Here we are, even after the implausibly complete failures and disasters and depredations of the Bush administration, and most Americans are still unable to point to the criminals and their ideology, and identify the source of the crime.

Which makes the future looked even more shaky. Now we have a president who most Americans are coming to believe is some sort of far-left Stalinist, while in fact he is every bit the full-measured facilitator of corporate parasitism that either George W. Bush or Bill Clinton were.

And yet, because he is being made out to be some sort of outrageously decadent liberal, and because Americans are too dim to figure out the ruse, this president -- who is failing to address the concerns of ordinary Americans, most especially because he's not working for them in the least -- is bound to fail, and is looking increasingly like the proud owner of a one-term presidency. And what we can expect in reaction to that failure -- ironically and disastrously and jaw-droppingly idiotically -- is a sharp turn to the right. When Obama fails, it will be framed, as it already is being, as some sort of grand failure of liberalism. In fact, of course, just the opposite is true. It's a grand success of the overclass's looting of America.

In this respect, Obama offers precious little "change", even from the crimes of George W. Bush. Look at his healthcare initiative, for example. I don't know about you, but I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that anything that the big pharmacological and big health insurance industries are in favor of is pretty much guaranteed to be a disaster for the rest of us -- you know, we the people of the United States. This bill no more represents an initiative for the purpose of bringing healthcare to Americans than George Bush's prescription drug bill was an initiative to improve the life of seniors. In both cases, whatever vicarious and accidental improvements that exist are simply diversionary window-dressing on what is really another example of legalized corporate colonialism.

In the case of Obama's healthcare legislation, what's happening is that enormous quantities of new customers are being forced to buy expensive health coverage from insurance industry predators who will be vastly enriched by means of this new legislation, which is precisely why they would favor something that ordinarily we would expect them to oppose, and that we certainly would expect them to oppose if Obama was any kind of progressive whatsoever, even if only in his personal fantasies.

The bank bailouts were absolutely no different. What an amazing episode, what an amazing looting of the American public, what an amazing chapter in the destruction of an empire -- and all brought to us by a supposedly liberal president. In fact, Obama was simply extending the tradition of the Bush administration, and the Reagan ideology prior to that, which calls for pillaging the federal treasury in order to divert the maximal amount of money to economic elites, and then leaving the bill for the American taxpayer.

One could go on and on from here. Obama continues to deploy more mercenaries in Iraq and Afghanistan than there are uniformed American soldiers. He continues to support privatization of everything from American prisons to schools. He asks for the most tepid possible re-institution of regulations on the financial industry, and when the thieves on Wall Street growl back at him, he abandons even those most limited of obstacles to their worst impulses.

The upshot is that today American voters have two choices. They can have the party that represents the maximal plundering of America, at the maximal speed. Or they can have the party that represents nearly the same crime at almost the same velocity.

Either way, the United States has ceased in any meaningful way to be owned by citizens. Its voters vote, but their representatives in Congress and in the administration are beholden to economic elites, and act entirely accordingly. The country's institutions, infrastructure, and social relations are all being dismantled piece by piece and either relocated elsewhere or sold off in order to wring yet another drop of wealth out of the hides of working Americans, so that those who are already wealthy beyond belief can be even further enriched.

~snip~

read the entire piece at: http://www.commondreams.org/print/47770
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:50 AM
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1. One very positive side effect of Moore's movie...
Is that America might finally have the "Capitalism Discussion" we've needed since, um, 1929
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:12 AM
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37. 1929? What about FDR and the New Deal, which conclusively got us out of the Great Depression?
Or should capitalism be abolished?

Or regulated?

The clips I've seen of Moore's movie are just an emotional wankfest. Some will appreciate it. But I don't like having my emotions toyed with. Not when it's a movie version of a "reality show".
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:17 AM
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39. Fox news and neo-conservatism is an emotional wankfest!
All of their argumentsare emotional.

Have not seen Moore's piece yet
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:51 AM
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2. New World Order ,comes out 10/13/09 speaks to a lot of this.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:52 AM
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3. That was a great article.
The PTB have done a fantastic job of directing our wrath against each other. I guess divide & conquer really does work. Perhaps as things continue to deteriorate, more people will wake up to who the real enemy is.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:06 PM
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8. PTB:



What I don't understand is HOW and WHY things got so out of control here, in contrast to Europe for example.

How did we allow ourselves to be taken hostage? How did they get away with this outrage here, but not in other developed countries where capitalism actually has a human face? Are we just that much more gullible as a nation than the Europeans? How did things go so wrong here? :shrug:

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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:18 PM
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11. We were sold the lie that Capitalism gives everyone the same chances
and that government is bad for interfering.

Go see Mike's movie. Seriously. Without giving too much away, he traces this deception through indoctrination films starting in the 1950s.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 02:40 PM
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18. I've often wondered about that too.
Someone on DU suggested that it's because we are such a young country. Europe has centuries of history & experience to draw on. They know the perils of excess.

Perhaps the 'new frontier' had something to do with it. We've exalted 'rugged individualism' over community to the point that our communities are breaking down. Will we have to experience a complete collapse before we learn an individual can only thrive in a healthy & robust community?

What do you think?
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 08:50 PM
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23. Unions make a difference
Europeans aren't afraid to strike.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 10:26 PM
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25. We fell victim to flattery. We were flattered into thinking we were the greatest
at everything, that we had the greatest economy, the greatest businesses. We still think we have the greatest military. We thought we were always right, always knew better. We are still a great nation, but we are not the richest, and we could afford to learn more from the successful things that other nations have done -- such as in the area of healthcare.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:53 AM
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4. Brilliant.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:54 AM
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5. K&R
:applause:
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:55 AM
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6. The Russians wouldn't have sold it to us with lies about "being your own man" and "consumer choice"
and "bootstraps" and "low, low prices." Propaganda is everything.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:11 PM
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9. and "uniquely American way", that's one of my "favorites".

"uniquely American way" = Profits Over People

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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:03 PM
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7. I've met plenty of Russians and they are nothing near the myth
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 12:03 PM by go west young man
Americans have created of them. Many are modern, hip, highly educated, up on geopolitics, not as nationalistic as most Americans I know. Russian's are kind, caring, humorous and love good music. They are much more normal than many Americans I meet these days. And the women are absolutely beautiful with many speaking 3 or more languages. They are impressive people. And their education is free for those that strive to achieve it. Social Democracy appears to be working in Russia much better than capitalism has worked in America. I have traveled to Russia many times and really hope that Americans wake up to the fact that what the US media presents is completely inaccurate.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:24 PM
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13. Absolutely, yes INDEED!!!!

Standing up for MY Russian friends...

Many Americans as so far beneath the Russians I personally know -- in terms of education, creativity, sensitivity to others, lack of selfishness, etc. etc. etc. etc.

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:48 PM
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16. I think the author is ironically playing off the stereotype of Russians
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 12:52 PM by Hissyspit
as The Enemy. Obviously, Russians never actually did any of this.

Last night I watched the news from Washington
The capital/
The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them
Lke Russians will/
Now we've got all this room/
We've even got the Moon/
And I hear the USSR will be open soon/
As vacationland for Lawyers In Love
-- Jackson Browne

We have met the enemy and they is us.
-- Pogo

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 05:07 PM
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20. oh, i absolutely agree about ironically playing off the stereotype.

not to mention that the trillions spent to prevent the Soviets (who had difficulty making toothpaste) from occupying the US was simply another way to enrich the military industrial complex.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:04 AM
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28. A Russian ballet troupe stayed at my hotel about 5 years ago.
They were mostly in their 20s. I had conversations with some of them and was amazed they knew so much about the USA. They knew all about Vietnam, Teddy Roosevelt's conservation programs, The Backstreet Boys, and the civil rights movement. One could even name the last 6 presidents. One boy tried to put me on the spot by naming the last 5 Russian presidents. I did but forgot (I think) Molotov. Their jaws dropped that ANY American would know this. I was informed that most of the Americans they had met knew absolutely nothing about Russia except "it is cold in Siberia" and that they are all "commies."
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:18 AM
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29. I took a class in college called "The Russian Experience"
It was a 10 week course that covered Russian art, literature, architecture, and history prior to the Bolshevik revolution. I fell in love with their culture. I am a huge fan of Russian literature. I know very well just how intelligent and soulful the Russian people are. War and Peace is my favorite book of all time. Second to Tolstoy I place God Emperor of Dune. Third is The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Am I not diverse?;) :hi:
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:12 PM
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10. K&R
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:22 PM
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12. We'd be better off killing this monster now.
While we are at it. let's work to dump some DINO deadweight, and I don't mean only in the house and senate.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:31 PM
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14. What's sad is the other evening I found myself waxing nostalgic for the early-mid eighties
Reagan was a horrible president, and I remember my rage for the man back then. I remember working my ass off to fight everything he did. I remember thinking that we're going over the brink, that our country would change for the worse.

Yet still I'm nostalgic for those days, because at that tipping point, at that cusp, there was still enough decency and compassion left in our government that ordinary people could still get a break from our government, that it all hadn't gone to shit yet. That people hadn't been entirely brainwashed into working and voting against their own self interests. There was still come compassion and sanity in our government and country.

Twenty five years down the line, I realize that I've lived through the full scope of the ongoing collapse of this country, that the Reagan years were the high point of that collapse and that it has gone downhill since then. A sad statement, but that is why I was waxing nostalgic, for that high point in this descending madness.

I hope this makes sense.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:59 AM
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42. Yes....I understand what you are saying. n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 12:42 PM
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15. K&R. Interesting article, sad as it is.
Edited on Sat Oct-03-09 12:43 PM by Overseas
His other articles provide a valuable perspective too. www.regressiveantidote.net

While I like to retain my sweet optimism a lot of the time, perspectives that I found "too wildly pessimistic" decades ago have now come true, so I cannot disregard them as easily as I used to.

Although I still hope we can reclaim our democracy by reining in corporate power.
http://www.reclaimdemocracy.org/
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 02:21 PM
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17. Sad but true.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 03:01 PM
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19. Catherine Austin Fitts has been talking about this for years
She recommended Naomi Klein's book "Shock Doctrine" for understanding how large scale theft of public assets happens.

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soryang Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 10:29 AM
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46. Everything that has happened is described in Klein's book
Sep 11, 1973, democracy dies in Chile, planned in the US.

Sep 11, 2001, democracy dies in the US, planned in_____?

As Hannah Arendt documented in her monumental trilogy the Origins of Totalitarianism, true believers in the ideology, always praise the infallibility of the doctrine even as they are tortured and condemned. As Klein makes clear in shock doctrine, there is only one party in power, the Friedmanites, and they have nothing to do with democracy, only its' destruction. War, torture, death, these are only a means to an end, their enrichment. But the greatest destruction and torture is the destruction of industry, of jobs, of society and institutionalization of poverty for the masses.

Ironically, the refrain mentioned by Arendt of the condemned was always, "if the leader only knew." Thus the true believers always have fantasy expectations of Obama who is at bottom a Friedmanite and an adherent of privatization and free trade which have destroyed industry, our economy and our military.
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:48 PM
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21. War for oil, lining the pockets of the defense contractors, catering to big business
Eight years of Bush / Cheney sure kicked it up a notch
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 06:49 PM
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22. K&R
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ro1942 Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 09:19 PM
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24. Can't thank you enough for this article
and you could have went on a lot longer. Could see it coming but nobody wanted to look.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:11 PM
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26. I've been angry for years
and yet, when you are the only one being angry, you are considered a kook. If you aren't angry, you haven't been paying attention, or you think you will never be one of "those" type of people who shop at garage sales. And, it's the very reason why I don't like Obama, he's not angry.

zalinda
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-03-09 11:21 PM
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27. Yep

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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 01:46 AM
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30. I have known for a long time who is ripping us off....
I just dont know what to do about it....and neither do the rest of you.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:19 AM
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34. I know what to do about it.
Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 06:21 AM by fasttense
It's simple.

We need an anti-free trade, anti-capitalism protest in DC for months. Not just one day, not just 2 or 3 days, but months and months. A group of people who could be rotating in and out of the protest. Thousands of people whose ranks swell every weekend. Can you imagine it?

We could get speakers to come, especially if we had large numbers and funding.

We could do it. Just think of all the unemployed. There are easily 22 million of them. How many of those do you think have been unemployed for a year or more? They want jobs. We can help them get jobs by marching on DC. If we all pitched in with either our time or money (even a $1 - $1 from a million people is a million dollars - look what we did for Obama. We sent him to the WH with small donations.)

ACORN isn't getting any more funding and all those people are great organizers. We could use them.

Obama is NOT going to send out the Army to kill us. He might even actually talk to us. But until we get commitment from major leaders to increase the minimum wage, give us health care, hold Wall Street accountable, prosecute torturers and CEOs, then we stay in DC being the biggest nuisance any government ever saw.

Then Obama could point us out. He could say, well I have to hold the banks accountable, do you see the people on the street? What do you think is holding them back from going after you?

This is the only way. And when the media ignores us for a month, we have to use twitter, cell phones and take pictures and gather money and send more people to the "FREEDOM" protest (OK, Not a good title but it could work).

Yes WE CAN DO THIS.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 10:13 AM
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43. i agree.
surround the white house with millions for as long as it takes. but who will lead this? what will the demands be and how will you know they have been met? will imperialism be legislated away? you're essentially talking revolution, but they will not just give up and go away.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 10:14 AM
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44. We do...but Congress is going to extend unemployment benefits and COBRA
and some kind of health care bill will be passed which will give people enough to drag along while the "Powers that Be" scramble on us pulling out of the disaster they've created. They will prop the market up as long as they can giving those who still have any money a false sense of hope that "things are coming back and green shoots are turning into young saplings" and that will delay the "masses" from marching to accomplish the change that's needed.

I think what you say could happen if the bread crumbs they are throwing us finally run out and having been around awhile...I'm not seeing any way new "bubbles" or roads and bridges building are going to pull us out of the economic destruction brought on by the policies of the "TPTB" for decades. But, we all have to hope that it doesn't come to us rotating through massive marches and living in tent cities in DC...because I don't thing that will be a good time, and I think it would end up as badly as it did the last time when a President had to turn the guns on the people. But, change will have to come...one way or the other. More and more people are waking up...but just haven't figured out where to point their finger because of the obfuscation of the Media/Military/Corporate/Industrial complexes cleverness in making sure that issues are always diffused.

We have to hope that the more we connect out here, the positive change will come without bloodshed or more suffering as the crumbs we are thrown dwindle in supply. Our Congress has got to start doing it's job and that means we need to raise hell on them...and hold them accountable. And, if this President, elected with so much hard work and hope forgets who he is...they he will be held accountable, too. We have a few years...after that...I'm not so hopeful that things aren't going to unravel ugly.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:56 PM
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51. I think you are right....
NOW is the time for major protests...not just in dc but in every capital...and every city hall.
That way..more americans can step up and do something too.
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HappyCynic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 03:50 AM
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31. K & R
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Paper Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:42 AM
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32. I think this about sums it up. Never thought I'd see the day.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 04:47 AM
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33. Actually, Americans are so stupid, that we'd kill the Russians...
if people just SAID the Russians did it. There's absolutely no requirement that it be true.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 06:20 AM
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35. Isn't that the truth
"When Obama fails, it will be framed, as it already is being, as some sort of grand failure of liberalism. In fact, of course, just the opposite is true. It's a grand success of the overclass's looting of America."

That's what I'm worried about. It seems amazing that they can get away with framing Obama as a liberal, or even a socialist, but they have a lot of support in that from the corporate media.
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MoonlitwingsX Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:04 AM
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36. I'm still keeping hope that something good will come of it..
But.. A big reason why I voted for Obama was to address the issue of Corporate America's hand in government, yet most of it seems to have fallen off his radar.. The issue of bailouts, the true cause of our economic collapse, a laughable bill to deal with outsourcing that only mildly inconvenienced the uninterrupted outsourcing of white-collar American jobs.. I'm slowly coming to terms that NOTHING will come until we have a powerful collapse.. One that's strong enough to override the comfort pumped into American homes via television and mainstream news outlets on the 'net. Who knows..? After all, compared to the rest of the world, this country is still practically in its infancy vs. the long history of European nations.

As for Mr. Obama being a genuine liberal president? One European friend once stated that even our most 'liberal' and 'progressive' leaders here are still seen as quite conservative to most Europeans. Some of my gay friends have sadly already dismissed him as 'Republican Lite'..
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:45 AM
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38. Yes and yes
n/t
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:20 AM
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40. K&R
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:30 AM
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41. Strongly recommended. Very powerful.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 10:17 AM
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45. We want change. Not the same old same old....
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 11:20 AM
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47. This man is brillient....
The sooner we realize that everything in this piece is accurate and that O is one of them and not one of us we have a very small chance of correcting the life and death problems we face. We need someone like Howard Dean or someone who has proven him/herself to be one of us and not let the corporate press marginalize them and manipulate us into submission as they have been doing for decades.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 11:45 AM
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49. Curses--foiled again! And a bump and rec for the OP.
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 11:29 AM
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48. St. Ronnie continues to destroy from beyond the grave
This article proves how ignorant most Americans are. The PTB know how to push the buttons to keep us from looking behind the curtain.


Peace,
Max
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 12:09 PM
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50. The Means Justify America:

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