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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:39 AM
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'Facility Fees' Are Taking Many Patients by Surprise
Kathy Young, the veteran benefits administrator for a large plumbing supply company headquartered in Madison, Wis., is well versed in the often fiendish complexities of medical bills.

But when Young, 54, received a $25.59 bill for a "facility fee" separate from the $207 physician's charge for a recent routine eye exam, she called her health plan for an explanation. Young was told the fee was a "room charge" -- an item she might not have noticed previously.

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It is the result of an obscure change in Medicare rules that occurred nearly a decade ago. Called "provider-based billing," it allows hospitals that own physician practices and outpatient clinics that meet certain federal requirements to bill separately for the facility as well as for physician services.

Because hospitals that bill Medicare beneficiaries this way must do so for all other patients, facility fees affect patients of all ages. Doctors' offices owned by physicians and freestanding clinics are not permitted to charge them.

Examples:
The first case was filed after plaintiff Lori Mill was charged $1,133 for a 30-second toenail clipping to check for a possible fungal infection performed by a doctor at a clinic attached to the Virginia Mason Medical Center. Mill said she visited the clinic because it was near her office and was never told about the $418 facility fee until she got the bill. Her plan required her to pay 20 percent of her medical bills. The same procedure at a different Virginia Mason facility, which was not designated an outpatient clinic, would have cost Mill a maximum of $269 -- and no fee.

A second patient, DeLois Gibson, was charged a facility fee of $846 for removal of a bump on her neck; the total bill came to $1,451.

A second lawsuit was filed against the University of Washington Medical Center on behalf of Heidi Rothmeyer, who was charged $8,189 for an office procedure involving the removal of cysts; of that amount, $6,839 was the facility fee.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/05/AR2009100502910.html

Soon there will be a meter in the room that measures how much air you use. Then you will be charged an "evironment replenishment" fee for the amount.

MEH!
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:43 AM
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1. Before anyone else jumps on it
I say we, the people of planet Earth, should claim the gravity rights of the planet. Then we can start charging all the corporations for all the gravity that they're using to hold all their crap down.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:53 AM
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2. The notion that the same procedure can cost 10 times as much depending
on whether you have it done at a doctor's office or emergency room needs to be addressed. I am more and more convinced each day that hospitals are using Emergency room charges as a slush fund of sorts. I think the entire issue of hospital management needs to be addressed as well. For example, I can understand that ER costs can be higher because it's necessary to maintain a full staff even if there are only one or two walk-ins over night. What I still can't understand is sitting in an ER all night with an untreated asthmatic 2 year old while three nurses and a doctor chit chat down the hall. Did they keep us waiting just so they'd be ready to go in case a giant monster emerged from Lake Ontario and started attacking the populace?
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CurtEastPoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:59 AM
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4. Amen to that. I had a series of 5 rabies shots, all delivered in the ER and the total
cost (to the insurance company) was about $7K. Is that not ridiculous?
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 06:14 PM
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7. my son had a kidney stone
passed it in the ER. $7,000 bill.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:58 AM
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3. Greed.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 11:09 AM
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5. I just downloaded an app which compares hospital services
BTW I have to go on about my iphone. I LOVE IT.

Back to my app, it shows surveys and costs for procedures as billed to Medicare. You can pick different hospitals and compare them side by side.

We need more information like this so that patients can make informed decisions. THIS is what will keep things reasonable and will hopefully embarrass and shame those providers who bill crazy amounts.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 11:14 AM
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6. Next billing "innovations": lighting fee, air (not oxygen) fee, chair fees.
:eyes:
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