Shocking Video Released in Gay Beating

[FreeState]

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-gay-bashing,0,4512891.story

EW YORK -- Shocking video has surfaced in connection with an apparent hate crime that has left an openly gay man hospitalized in a medically induced coma.

In the video, you can see the two attackers beat 49-year-old Jack Price as he was leaving a 24-hour corner deli near his home on College Point Blvd.

The suspects reportedly taunted Price and hurled anti-gay slurs at him before assaulting him.

One of the suspects - identified as 26-year-old Daniel Aleman - was arrested Sunday and charged with assault and aggravated assault as a hate crime.

Police are still on the hunt for a second suspect identified as Daniel Rodriguez, 21, of College Point.

Price remains on a respirator at New York hospital.

He suffered a fractured jaw, ribs and a lacerated spleen.

The New York Police Department's Hate Crimes Task Force is investigating the incident.

Link to video: WARNING EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIOLENCE http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/wpix-queens-gay-bashing-video-surv,0,660436.tivideo

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[Smarmie Doofus]

8. Odds are they're straight.

And profoundly ignorant.

[imdjh]

10. Can't wait to find out what their sympathetic attributes claims are.

Alcoholism and addiction have worn pretty thin. Perhaps they'll claim diminished capacity.

Oh, and my fave: "He was just getting his life together when this happened." Yep, he was studying up on being an altar boy when out of the blue, a magical force made him visciously attack someone.

[imdjh]

2. I wonder if Aleman's lawyer knew about the video when he claimed self defense. nt

[slackmaster]

4. I don't envy that lawyer - Self-defense is the only possible defense for beating someone

It must be tough defending a client who is so obviously guilty.

[imdjh]

7. don't forget to say "allegedly" LOL.

[slackmaster]

3. That's chilling

"EW YORK" is right.

[Smarmie Doofus]

5. Horriffic. What else can one say? Except.....

perhaps the need for hate-crimes laws will become apparent to folks who say things like: "But assault is *already* against the law."

There is assault and then there is ASSAULT. As in "hate crime".

[paulsby]

16. this would be more than just gardem varoety assault

in any jurisdiction, regardless of whether it was a hate crime, it would net serious felony charges. in our state, most likely assault I or II.

that's due to the severity of the beating and extent of injuries.

personally, i'm against hate crime legislation, but i realize that makes me a minority here. it's also ironic because i have been a victim of a hate crime.

i think anybody that beats somebody like these guys did should get serious prison (not jail, PRISON) time. hate crime or not

[Smarmie Doofus]

18. Interesting POV.. In your gut do you think that the victim's sexuality....

.... had anything at all to do with the *severity*, the *viciousness* of the beating. And if so, how do you rationalize the law NOT taking that motivation into account?


>>>think anybody that beats somebody like these guys did should get serious prison (not jail, PRISON) time. hate crime or not>>>

No argument there. Regardless of the motive. My point is there would likely not have BEEN an assault ( certainly of that degree of viciousness) except for he victim's perceived sexual status.

[paulsby]

19. thank you for the response

most response when i say i am against hate crimes legislation run the lines of "yer a freeper troll"e

in my gut, i think the person's orientation very likely did have somethign to do with the severity.

i am just saying that the penal code can punish more severe assaults w/o taking into consideration the bias aspect. one of the problems i have with the bias aspect is that it creates two classes of victims. now, as a cop i realize that could be seen as hypocritical, since in many states, shooting a cop is an extra serious enhancement, but i think murder should not consider that either.

i agree that there very well may not have been an assault if the guy wasn't perceived to be gay. but any # of assaults could have similar scenarios in terms of some people are beaten just because they show up in the wrong neighborhood after getting lost, are unknowingly wearing the wrong color jacket, or whatever.

i appreciate the rational response. i just think the tradeoffs (criminal law is always about tradeoffs) aren't worth it, in creating special classes of crimes based on motivation towards perceived group membership (sexuality, race, ethnicity, etc.).

it's an issue i have wrestled with, and i continue to read opinion pieces and such on the topic. iow, i do not have a closed mind to the possibility i could change my mind. of course, that's the way i think about a lot of issues.

i do understand the reasons FOR hate crimes legislation. i am not saying they aren't to be considered. i just don't think they are compelling enough to justify tiering crime penalties based on hate crime criteria.

[bertman]

25. paulsby, I have to say that I appreciate your thoughtful approach to policing and

life in general. I don't always agree with you, but I think we are fortunate to have your voice on DU.

My understanding is that during a fight--yes, I know that this may not necessarily be construed as a fight if the guy was jumped--once the loser is down it is against the law to keep pounding his ass into the asphalt. Or drop-kicking him like those assholes were doing.

Am I mistaken?

[TheMadMonk]

31. If motivation counts as a mitigating factor...

...as in "I just caught the filthy bastard touching up my kid", then the reverse should also hold true.


"i agree that there very well may not have been an assault if the guy wasn't perceived to be gay. but any # of assaults could have similar scenarios in terms of some people are beaten just because they show up in the wrong neighborhood after getting lost, are unknowingly wearing the wrong color jacket, or whatever."

Being bashed for wearing the wrong colours in the wrong place should IMHO also be treated as a hate crime, even (or perhaps especially) in cases of actual inter-gang rivalry.

[paulsby]

35. assuming

one accepts the notion of increased penalties for hate crimes.

i don't, but if you do, it's logically consistent to say what you say

[Smarmie Doofus]

39. Understand your position. But: "medically induced coma".....

>>>do understand the reasons FOR hate crimes legislation. i am not saying they aren't to be considered. i just don't think they are compelling enough to justify tiering crime penalties based on hate crime criteria.>>>>

is compelling enough for me.

Perhaps when Mr. Price emerges from his coma (IF he emerges, higher order brain functions undiminished) he can help us sort out the legal complexities.

Let's hope so.

[paulsby]

56. like i said, the law already allows for different grades

of assault based on weapons used, severity of injuries, etc.

a "garden variety" assault in my state is a gross misdemeanor. black eye, or just a slap to the face.

more serious injuries and/or use of weapons (note that many state consider a shod foot a dangerous weapon) significantly enhance the penalties.

the point is this (for me), regardless of the motivation for the crime (hate crime or not), it deserves a SUBSTANTIAL prison term.

assume it wasn't a hate crime, would the person still deserve a serious penalty? of course. why should the penalty be more is my question. i don't accept the tradeoffs.

[Smarmie Doofus]

110. Because there are additional dimensions to this *type* of crime.

>>>>>>ssume it wasn't a hate crime, would the person still deserve a serious penalty? of course. why should the penalty be more is my question. i don't accept the tradeoffs.>>>>>>>

I work with kids like these ( the accused) in another part of the same city in which the crime was perpetrated. I'm pretty conversant with the kids and their culture.

They generally do NOT respect homosexual people. They do not regard an assault on a male homosexual as the equivalent to an assault on any other category of person.

Everything in their culture encourages this attitude. The schools do not teach respect for gay people. The official educational policy might as well be that homosexuality doesn't exist. Into this void the kids carry the attitudes of their parents..... which is often religion-based, usually uninformed and almost always *hostile*. Combine this with a huge influx of testosterone ( the accused are 21 and 29, I believe) and you have a toxic brew.

Combustible.

*Lethal*.

Look at the video again if you don't believe me.

You're looking at the question too legalistically, imo. It's a legit function of government to tailor the laws to reflect the situation as it is... not as we might prefer it to be. The reality is gay people are more likely to be subject to the kind of violence that is shown in the video. If the government... thru the legislative process... sees fit to address the failure of the schools and of the defective socialization (?) process these guys underwent by adding protected categories and earmarking penalties accordingly ( as long as that's done judiciously) the gov't is doing what it's supposed to do.

[dem mba]

47. isn't intent the difference between manslaughter and murder?

(and the difference between first, second and third degree murders?).

likewise, shouldn't intent delineate the difference between a hate crime and a regular assault?

[paulsby]

58. people misunderstand intent

intent is what i intend to do, not WHY i am doing it.

if i am robbing a bank to pay off a debt, or to make myself rich, or to give money to the poor, etc. that does not affect the criminal intent. the intent is - did i plan to rob the bank

the WHY is not the intent.

if i punch somebody in the face because i hate the way they look, or i hate his ethnicity, or i hate the fact that he is schtupping my girlfriend, none of these distinctions affect intent.

intent is based on words such as "knowingly, willingly, recklessly, etc." .

generally speaking, for example, an injury caused through a reckless behavior is going to give a lower sentence than the same injury done through knowing, willful behavior".

THAT's intent.

if i am driving like a moron because i am ... a moron, and by accident i strike somebody and kill them, that's a reckless homicide.

it is distinguished from if i INTEND to run somebody over and in fact do. that's murder.

the latter is a more serious crime than the former.

but we are not talking intent, in that regard. we are talking motivation. if i run the person over because he's scottish and i hate scots, or i run him over because he stole my favorite trapper keeper, those are both murders.

the INTENT is the same - to kill him.

the motivation is different. the former is a "hate crime". the latter isn't. even though, fwiw, i may hate him as much or more for stealing my trapper keeper as for being a damnable scot!

doesn't matter. the former is a "hate crime", the latter isn't.

[dem mba]

100. ok thanks

I was debating about using the word "motive" but i got lazy and left in intent.

but wait, doesn't intent still work?

in a murder, i intend to kill someone. in a manslaughter I don't intend to kill them.

in an assault, let's say a bar fight, i intend to hurt someone because they slighted me in some real or imagined way. in a hate crime, they did nothing but EXIST, which caused me intend to harm them. had the victim not been one of those damnable scots, let's say, I would not have intended to harm them. thus, at least in my mind, a hate crime is worse because the victim really did nothing wrong. in an assault, there might have been some "reason", however questionable, to initiate the assault. what do you think?

or is this a dumb semantics argument? if it is, just say so and i'll drop the whole thing. thanks.

[paulsby]

116. i'm not sure if it's really a

semantics argument, but it has little to do with the penal law. the "victim really did nothing wrong" part is problematic. do we really want to have two seperate crimes when the guy murders an asshole who "deserved it" because he was a really bad guy, than to the guy that murders the "average joe". that would lead to a very perverse justice.

but you have it right. hate crimes focus on the motivation, not the intent (as intent is understood in the law).

we do sometimes take motivation into account, though. for example, if i assault joe blow, it's a misdemeanor. if i assault joe blowz who is a witness against me in a pending criminal trial, that's a more serious crime.

[dem mba]

117. gotcha

thanks!

[paulsby]

118. np nt

[ruggerson]

6. I'm REALLY glad Skinner can see who is unreccing this

n/t

[FreeState]

9. Id be REALLY glad if something was actually done about it n/t

[ThomCat]

14. Why?

Do you think he cares?

[FreeState]

20. 41 points

On the greatest there is a feature to see the top ten posts by points. This thread has 41 points.

It says points = recs + unrecs + replies

according to my user account there 10 replies and 23 recs = 8 unrecs

unless by replies it means how many posts in the thread 18 + 21 = 2 unrecs

I think it's the first one because there are now 20 posts and the points only went up by 1 (if it was the second it would have gone up by two points)

[Lex]

11. I can't watch the video. I'm sick just thinking about it.

nt

[msongs]

12. don't ask, don't tell has consequences - only a video captures why nt

[Zenlitened]

13. Throw both of those creeps into the ocean. Fish gotta eat too.

[tnlefty]

15. I'll be lighting a candle and hoping that Mr. Price will

recover from this beating.:hug:

I hope that his attackers do a long stint in jail...release a couple of pot smokers if need be to lock these two violent fucks up for a while.

[Gwendolyn]

17. That video is sickening and shows the true face of hate. Those two are vicious animals.

I hope that dude they caught squeals on the other one soon and that they both get put away for a long time.

May Jack Price get well soon, and hope he's got lots of support while he heals.

[bridgit]

21. Disgusting

[TexasObserver]

22. They're both going away for a long time.

That video allows the prosecutor to count the hits and blows. There were many of them.

10-20 years sounds likely.

[defendandprotect]

23. Unbelievable . . . these people fear themselves, truth be told . . .

hatred is a sickness eating away at them --

and now it will have completely changed three lives --

Hopefully Jack Price will make a recovery --

[Tim01]

24. I wish he had had a gun and shot both of them.

But sometimes the bad guys win. Even if the pricks go to jail forever is isn't going to change the fact the victim is in the hospital in a coma.
Fucking sub-humans.

[Merchant Marine]

28. www.pinkpistols.org

nt

[Jamastiene]

41. + a trillion

It's about time we fought back instead of taking it.

[Fumesucker]

30. I gathered that the coma was medically induced..

So the victim may not be actually brain damaged.

Let us all hope so, I certainly do.

Coma is sometimes induced to allow the patient to heal, there was a thread within the last month or two here on GD talking about the victim of a car wreck who was in a medically induced coma to allow them to heal.

[CRF450]

113. I got a friend who was in a car wreck, and induced into a coma 4 months ago

He and another bud of mine (who bought the 94 Camaro I used to have as my first car) took a turn going onto a small bridge too fast (50+mph) the rear end got loose and it slid into the cement barrier. Where the car hit the barrier was right at where he was sitting in the rear driver side seat. At impact his whole body flew into that hard plastic of a sail panel, and even his head smashed into it pretty hard and pretty much busted him open. He was knocked out for a little bit till the paramedics came, while in transit in the helicopter he was fighting the medics, just basically out of it! So they had to induce him into a coma for a day. The other friend who was driving got a fractured shoulder, side of his head busted open, and the girl sitting in the passenger seat got cut when her head hit the dash to the upper right of the radio (if you know how those panels look like).

[FreeState]

33. Violence makes more violence

It's never the answer IMO.

[EOTE]

45. So one shouldn't defend themselves if given the opportunity?

I don't own a gun, I think it's unlikely I ever will. However, if someone started beating the crap out of me or a member of my family and I DID have a gun on me, I wouldn't hesitate a second to use it.

[Tim01]

53. Never say never.

The kind of person who would kill somebody else for entertainment is not reachable. If they are not stopped they they will simply hurt other people for fun. Good people will get maimed or die for no reason.

[Katya Mullethov]

94. If you are quick ..

The second one is likely to dissapear like smoke !

[bertman]

26. It's after seeing shit like this that I think Hammurabi was onto something. nt

[armyowalgreens]

27. Fucking assholes.

[Starry Messenger]

29. Oh my god.

I watched. I have no words. That was one of the worst things I've ever seen. I hope justice is swift. Sickening.

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[FreeState]

34. I think your misreading that comment

The poster says they wish he - meaning the victim - had a gun to shoot them aka self defense.

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[FreeState]

50. "It's almost like you people think that because the victim was gay it's worse. "

seriously? Did you realize how offensive that is before you posted it?

[Zenlitened]

60. Them gays, always wanting special rights.

:spray:

If this is performance art, it's almost brilliant. You just need to go for a bit more subtlety, IMO, because the audience will have a hard time sustaining belief that ANYONE could spout such incredible nonsense and actually mean it.

[armyowalgreens]

37. The nature of the crime is different and must be dealt with differently.

[KayLaw]

42. A lot of people think guns are okay.

DU has an entire forum devoted to guns. I guess you didn't know that because you're new. There are plenty of gun owners here.

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[FreeState]

51. " I personally do not agree with homosexuals,"

THen you do not belong on DU.

[Touchdown]

54. You don't agree about what?

That we exist?

Do you believe a beer bottle exists? A car? A tree?

We exist. If you disagree, then you are insane.

EDIT: Crap! Replied to the wrong poster. :dunce:

[felon]

61. OK maybe it should be

i don't understand how someone can be attracted to the same sex. I'm not but if you are gay then fine. Like i said i don't get it but i also don't have to be an ass about it either.

[donco6]

112. Actually, he does evidently.

His posts preferred 2:1.

Great. This place is so fucked up.

[Zenlitened]

59. You are indeed a great humanitarian.

"...I personally do not agree with homosexuals, but when around them in public can be courteous & not point, laugh & talk shit to them."

Or, if not a humanitarian, at least savvy enough not to violate terms of your parole.

Welcome to DU, 'Felon'! :rofl:

[felon]

62. so what i'm a felon

it's not just a screen name. The only diff in me & you is that i had the balls to do something instead of bitch & cry about it. I did the crime, did the time & payed my debt to society. Since then i opened a business & am now the 4th largest communications contracting company in the state where i live. I also just received a governors pardon for my crimes. Being who i am makes no better or worse than you.

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[mistertrickster]

99. Welcome to DU, Felon. You'll find that a few people come here with the express purpose of

being dicks.

Nothing you posted makes you a "homophobe." But a small minority like to impose their version of "thought purity" on to the rest of us.

If you don't love gays with the same intensity that they love gays and hate Obama for selling them out like they hate Obama for selling them out, then you're a "homophobe."

[Zenlitened]

106. Nothing? Really?

Wow.

On edit: Wait, I see the post has been deleted. So, really, It Never Happened.

:eyes:

[donco6]

111. And we fall another dimension down.

No, he's not homophobic. Not at all. Good god.

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[Starry Messenger]

115. contempt just reading...

Oh. My.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

72. I have a feeling your crime was a hate crime n/t

[Zenlitened]

73. What did you do?

What did you do that was so ballsy and noble-minded?

:shrug:

[felon]

76. wasn't noble minded

I just meant that when i was provoked i didn't just bitch & cry I reacted. I was charged with 2 counts of felony assault with a deadly weapon & 1 count of possession & manufacturing a weapon of mass destruction. When i was caught i would not name the guy that was with me. They gave me 20 years for it. & no it was not a hate crime. I'm a white male & assaulted two white males.

[Zenlitened]

81. Must been some provocation!

[donco6]

82. Wow. OK.

Maybe bitching and crying wasn't the only alternative to bombing and assaulting?

Just a suggestion.

[felon]

89. yeah well i never

said it was smartest fuckin thing i ever did. But whats done is done. Now the thing is i don't blame society or anything else for what i did. The fact is i am & always will be the same person. Now i just keep to myself & make sure i don't get put in a position to do it again.

[Zenlitened]

108. Sounds like "live and let live" requires a constant effort.

Must be tiring.

[DireStrike]

86. ^^^ What that guy said. Also

It sounds like you are accusing people of bitching and crying when they were assaulted. I don't know why you would say that. You certainly have no idea how anybody here would react in that situation.

Saying a crime is horrible is a lot different from "bitching and crying" when assaulted. I really don't know why you chose to use that phrasing. I guess you feel bitter. I would too.

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[DireStrike]

92. Understood. See my post below arguing against your second point. -nt-

[mistertrickster]

101. That's the other thing that people do a lot around here . . . read stuff into what you posted

that you didn't actually mean and attack that.

Or they say, "I totally DISAGREE with your asinine opinion!" And then they make exactly the same point you just made.

Or when you try to explain what you meant, they accuse you of lying.

Yeah . . . there's a few very angry, touchy liberals around here that think they're making great strides by picking fights with people who basically agree with them.

You'll get used to it.

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[felon]

98. you know

i am an asshole, but at least i know i'm an asshole. Also this asshole is defending the guy that got his ass kicked. I'm not looking at him any diff. because he's gay, in no post yet have i bashed gay people at all. I did say that i didn't get why people are gay, but in no way did i say anything to offend anyone. Unlike other fuck shits in here. This guy was beaten severely & the guys who did it should be punished severely, but because of the severity of the crime not the sexual orientation of the victim.

[Jamastiene]

119. Damn, with that kind of Nobility,

they should have at least given him honorary mention for the Nobel Peace Prize. He manages to control himself quite well despite his choice to not agree with homosexuals. :sarcasm:

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[felon]

65. my point exactly

i was saying in general that people don't have to like you, but can keep their comments to them self. Unlike this bum bass.

[Tim01]

66. There are plenty who don't share his attitude.

Those who are figure there is nothing wrong with talking shit about gays,beating gays, robbing gays, and maybe even seriously hurting gays.

I'm personally just fine with people who don't like me. As long as they keep it to themselves. Live and let live is a pretty good motto in a world where not everybody thinks just exactly like you do.

[donco6]

70. Oh dear.

Honey, we don't have to be satisfied with the idea "Well, he didn't beat me, rob me or hurt me, so I guess he's OK!" That's bullshit. That's the attitude of the perpetually oppressed. Fuck that. When someone's a homophobe and they express it publicly - they're not going to get away with it from me.

[Tim01]

83. Then by all means, start a war with the whole world.

The gay community already has tons and tons of friends.

If the rednecks want to call me fag behind my back because of the way I look, I can live with that. I don't make references to sheep fucking to their face.

There are a whole lot of people who are not like me, and will never be like me.That is never going to change, ever.
If they will refrain from throwing beer bottles at me from their trucks, they can think what they want. They are going to do that anyway. And if the rich ones would refrain from thinking they can move and take over the community of us poor dumb hicks. And the most fabulous city people would stop trying bring culture to a bunch of cow farmers who don't give a fuck about who's label is on your t-shirt. That would be just fine.
I can only change their minds one at a time from interacting with them. And sometimes I am surprised to find out they are not all just ignorant hillbillies even if they have a dixie flag and a dale earnhart sticker on their truck. Or pretentious dip shit city people just because they drive a Prius.

But you go ahead, sweety.

[DireStrike]

88. It may be true that the law can't make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me... MLK

http://www.indiana.edu/~ivieweb/mlkad.html

It is not a question either of education or of legislation. Both legislation and education are required. Now, people will say, "You can't legislate morals." Well, that may be true. Even though morality may not be legislated, behavior can.be regulated. And this is very important. We need religion and education to change attitudes and to change the hearts of men. We need legislation and federal action to control behavior. It may be true that the law can't make a man love me, but it can keep him from lynching me, and I think that's pretty important also.

You might not agree with Dr. King. For instance, I don't agree that religion is necessary to make people better.

Just pointing this out in case you'd never heard it.

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[Tim01]

85. I don't agree with you at all. But it isn't like we live together.

I don't think there is anything positive to come from you saying you don't agree with gay people. It is kind of like saying you don't think people should be lynched, even if they are black.

But I do think you and I could probably be in the same grocery store at the same time without somebody pulling out weapons and starting a feud, over a difference of cultural opinion.

It's probably Starbucks fault. Everybody has too much caffeine in them.;)

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[spiritual_gunfighter]

71. You dont have to agree with homosexuals???

You dont have to like gay people??? Maybe you should have taken your own advice and kept your opinions to yourself.

[QC]

74. I don't agree with air. n/t

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[spiritual_gunfighter]

79. What do you mean about agreeing with homosexuals?

I wasn't aware they had a point of view to disagree with.

[donco6]

80. But what does it mean?

"I don't agree with homosexuals."

You don't agree with what? What we do in bed? How we flip our wrists? How we're always after "special rights?" What?

[Touchdown]

55. So spraying "Motherfucker" on a 7 Eleven wall should carry the same

punishment as spraying a swastika on a Synagogue door?

I really do want an honest answer.

[felon]

67. well yeah

it's vandalism. Is spraying a pentagram on a church door worse? No it's vandalism. makes no diff. who you commit a crime against. It's still breaking a law. You people almost act like because the guy was gay then he is less of a man. These guys did not beat up a child. The fact that he's gay doesn't change that he is a grown man. It also does not change the fact that they beat some one up & should pay for it.

[FreeState]

78. Just so you know - referring to GLBT persons as "You People" is highly offensive n/t

[mistertrickster]

103. "You people" refers to the people Felon is arguing against. Give him a break. nt

[Touchdown]

105. Just like you people must be on his side then, right?

Goose? Gander anyone?:shrug:

[FreeState]

107. No its not - you did not see the previous post thats now deleted n/t

[Touchdown]

102. So 90 days community service for the 7-11 punk and 90 days

community service for the anti-semite with a copy of The Turner Diaries in his backpack too.

Hey! Make both of them serve together. Maybe the racist can get the punk to join his militia group.:eyes:

[DireStrike]

90. Society must penalize acting on hatred for any particular group

Whether someone is attacked for something they choose to do (religion, for example), or whether they are beaten for characteristics they were born with (being black, gay, white, etc.).

Assault is not allowed. Of course.

But society also has an interest in making all of its members get along. I don't know if you're religious. Wouldn't you find it worse if people of your religion were routinely beaten for no other reason than believing? Wouldn't you want the state to discourage that?

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[Touchdown]

104. You're not getting hate crimes legislation.

It's not about the victim's status in a minority group. It's about the assailant's motives.

Motive is still admissable in court, and is a common prosecutorial tool in criminal cases.

If a gay man is robbed, it's not a hate crime. If a straight man was beaten, with the words "Faggot, cocksucker" etc. heard during the assault, then it could be a hate crime. But!!!!!! That hate crime still has to be proven by the prosecution.

Murder is not murder, and never has been in the US.

There's murder 1
manslaughter
voluntary manslaughter
involuntary manslaughter
assault with a deadly weapon.
2nd degree murder
Crime of passion (closest relative to hate crimes)
Accessory to murder.
The list goes on.

Assault is already partitioned off into other categories. No reason why another shouldn't be added, because it's necessary.

The world is not black and white, and neither is violence/crime.

[CRF450]

93. If I was carrying a gun (legally I may add) I wouldn't hesitate to use it...

On a couple assholes attacking me for no reason.

[JI7]

38. one of the assholes is claiming Self Defense ????????????

[nyc 4 Biden]

40. Here is a photo of the scumbag that is still at large:

Daniel Rodriguez, 21, of College Point

[Blue Diadem]

95. He's been arrested. Extradited today.

http://ny1.com/8-queens-news-content/top_stories/107276/queens-bias-attack-suspect-set-to-be-extradited-to-new-york

The second suspect in an alleged bias attack is expected to be extradited to Queens at some point today.

The Queens district attorney's office says Daniel Rodriguez, 21, is being be transported from Norfolk, Virginia to the city. He waived his extradition rights this morning after being arrested last night.

[Tim01]

96. Good news. I hope they burn him.

I don't think there is any chance of changing him. Keep him away from society for as long as possible. If he is free, he is dangerous.

[Jamastiene]

43. Fucking ridiculous hate: look what it does to innocent victims.

I hope they spend the rest of their lives in prison for that shit so they'll have some time to think about whether that bullshit was really worth it. Is that what they think is right? a pointless, senseless act of hate violence like that? Throw away the key.

[lonestarnot]

44. I can't watch. Poor dear. I hope they catch the freaks.

:(

[Jokinomx]

46. lock them up and throw away the key!

It's amazing in this day and age of a supposedly civilized society, that this still is happening. Our local theater group is putting on the play "The Laramie Project" next month. It's about a young gay man named Matthew Shepard who was brutally beaten and murdered by homophobic men.

I hope that this guy can overcome his injuries and doesn't become a martyr as did Shepard.

Peace....

[Swamp Rat]

52. cannot watch this

:(

[Uncle Joe]

57. Sick, two on one coward like, hate filled bastards.

I hope they're both sent to prison for a long damn time.

[DireStrike]

84. Oh wow. That's less than two blocks from my old apartment.

I've been up and down that street a hundred times.

On the one hand, I can't find any personal experience that makes it seem like that kind of neighborhood. On the other hand, ask anybody who's lived there... it is a shithole.

I am reluctant to say anything good about security cameras... but thank goodness that one was there.

[winyanstaz]

114. Send those sick assholes to jail for a loooooooooooooooong time..

They are a danger to society and must not be allowed back on the streets.