There are 2 types of H1N1 vaccine. LAIV and injected

[uppityperson]

LAIV is Live Attenuated Intranasal Vaccine that is sprayed into the nose. The injected shot is killed virus vaccine, using the same formula as the regular seasonal influenza vaccine, though some has thimerosal and some doesn't. If that bothers you, please check and make sure you get what you want.

LAIV is out now, fairly available and they are limiting whom it gets given to by age, other health issues, etc. The shot will be out for general public soon.

They both have the body develop antibodies, both need to be given before you are exposed to the virus to do any good.

Wash your hands often. Don't touch your eyes or nose. Stay home if you are sick.

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[uppityperson]

4. hopefully I'm

on ignore by most of them by now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. No we are not, part of the problem

hmm... I wonder if the shot is finally out?

[mzmolly]

46. FYI ~ I gave you a K and R.

:kick:

[uppityperson]

48. Thank you. Trying to spread info, rather than just snark, though snarking can be fun also

[kimmerspixelated]

6. I believe name calling is not permitted.

Besides no one has said anything yet for that side of the argument. Respectfulness is a good thing.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. When he said stoopid anti-vaxers...

what made you think he was talking about you?

[HughMoran]

41. lol

;)

[beam me up scottie]

14. Are we allowed to call Rush names? How about Anne Coulter? Freepers?

Dammit, nobody tells me anything!

[Chemisse]

19. Yes, info is info

Why do you have to bring the hate into it?

[uppityperson]

21. I agree, post without posting broadbrush negative stuff.

[Bonobo]

24. The hate is in the poster. How could it not be in the post. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. And that dearie is frustration with the willfully ignorant

who started this by unreccing to hell.

Now whatever you want to think I DON'T CARE.

Now to the anti vaxers, if they don't want to get vaccines... sure whatever... (unless they are in health care, typhoid Mary comes to mind)

But gosh darn it the antiscinece is very American... not republican... AMERICAN.

But hey, whatever trips your trigger.

Good bye.

[Bonobo]

30. Stop the hate. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. You call frustration hate

I think we are using different dictionaries...

Have a good life

[Bonobo]

33. If your goal is to help and inform, your approach isn't working.

Better to stop showing hate.

[uppityperson]

32. I didn't see it unrecc'd, must've missed it? Lots of frustrations all the way around.

Glad that other topic went off to health forum. Glad this one is staying here since it is just info for everyone to know.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Yeah you did

so that was my frustration talking

And speaking of ignore... I just added somebody else to my list... some folks want to play word games... they can play with somebody else.

[uppityperson]

37. Ah well, I don't care so much about recs but will continue to kick for a bit

keep it up on the gd page so people may notice it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. I usually don't care for them

but people are using these things to bludgeon...

So I gave it a rec... to counter, it was back in the positive fast.

And the reason I care for things like this is that it is in TWO places... and the info does help to save lives,

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. Because that's what the anti-vaccers deserve.

[Bonobo]

42. You used to have a sense of humor.

When did you turn into a farty, old prick?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Sir, I have always been a farty old prick.

I am the world's oldest farty prick.

But at least I'm not a fucking anti-vaccer.

[Bonobo]

23. And THAT, Dearie, is NOT the way to do it. nt

[Ian David]

2. If I get sick, I'm going to an anti-vax group. n/t

[Auggie]

3. I just got the shot this afternoon

$25.00. If it reduces the risk I'm laid up for a week this winter it's worth every penny and then some.

[kestrel91316]

9. And you're not DEAD yet?????

:wow:


:rofl:

[Chemisse]

20. Why would anybody be dead from getting the shot?

I have not heard of any ill effects yet, certainly not sudden death.

[blondeatlast]

25. The immune compromised people you know thank you, take it from

this insulin-dependent diabetic who single parents an asthmatic 12 yo.

You have no idea how grateful I am to you...

[Auggie]

28. I wasn't going to do it...

but Mrs. Auggie inspired me. It was remarkably quick and painless. I'm glad I did it -- even more so for reasons you point out.

Hang in there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. hugs

I will as soon as it is HERE... and that is for you, and ME...

[dysfunctional press]

47. tthe h1n1 shot, or the regular flu shot?

[beam me up scottie]

7. Rec'd

Futile, I know, but worth it just the same.

[kestrel91316]

8. People over 50 like me have to get the shot - intranasal isn't approved for us.

[elocs]

10. I love how the "stay home if you are sick" advice is so casually tossed out there.

What a luxury for those who can afford to do it, but there are millions of working poor for whom missing work is not an option. If they don't work, they don't get paid and if they lose even 1 day's pay it might mean not eating one day and watching the children go hungry, not being able to pay for the heat, or not paying the rent. It might even mean losing a job because there are plenty out there who would take it.

In the real world of the working poor they cannot simply stay home if they are sick. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept for some to grasp.

[Posteritatis]

11. While you've got a point...

... I do think it's a Good Thing that there's at least discussion of the whole "stay at home if you're sick" concept thanks to this. I've had a few friends fired for "unscheduled illness" - they had to clear sick days two weeks in advance - and I definitely think employers need to get as far away from that attitude as possible.

The financial aspect is a problem, but I definitely think more employers need to be willing to say "if you're sick you should stay home and get better and not infect the rest of our coworkers and customers/students/etc." A lot of people don't have the choice because, as you said, they're a few hours' wages away from going hungry, and I think that's a tragedy, but there's also a lot who aren't but are still afraid of any sort of convalesence because their employers will retaliate against them for it.

"Stay home if at all possible if you are sick" is probably more reasonable advice, but at least in my neck of the woods people are talking about the implications of that enough that an unmodified "stay at home if you're sick" might become more feasible in the future.

[elocs]

15. The reality is that who in the hell would want to be at work when sick if they could stay home?

If they had sick days they could stay home. I have worked at places where people are pressured never to miss work. There are millions in this country who do work low paying jobs where they have no sick days and they know full well their employer would have no trouble filling their jobs in this economy.

[Posteritatis]

16. Yep, and that reality offends me

I know a great many employers are, well, human beings instead of bottomlineatons about things like that, but there's enough who aren't who could use a dose of the clue bat.

Those sorts of places need to be fixed. Much as they'd probably howl about it, I really doubt many of them are going to go out of business because an employee is sick for three days in a year than two. And frankly, they'd probably be better off in the long run due to not, y'know, forcing their employees to give each other every illness they catch.

[uppityperson]

18. One of the things I see changing, and hope will change more, is employers being more tolerant

of people staying home when they are sick. I would also like to see more sick pay available for people, but still have the problem with being self employed and if I don't work, I don't get paid.

"If at all possible" is a good thing to add in.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Public health recommendations are part of the reality

but they are intersecting with an economic reality.

This hopefully will get the discussion going so the working poor CAN stay home when they need to for PUBLIC Health reasons.

We need many changes to labor laws in the US... that includes sick days... of course in certain right to work states this will be fought because it is not free market enough :sarcasm:

[uppityperson]

17. I know, I cannot afford to lose worktime. I ask my customers to not make me sick by

coming in sick. I know how hard it is. If I get the flu, it is a week off work for me, with no pay. Living as close to the edge as I do, I can't afford that.

So if you are sick and come see me and infect me, I lose a week's income and have no sick pay. If you are sick, stay home (if at all possible). I don't know why that is such a difficult concept for some to grasp.

[Codeine]

51. The actual world of the working poor

is viewed with disdain by many of the educated and comfortably-employed at DU.

[uppityperson]

52. being a working poor educated person, I must say I left out "whenever possible"

If I were "comfortably-employed", I'd not be on Du so much but out working. Simply put, I cannot afford to be infected and take time off work. I've always been one of those who does take time off to be sick rather than spreading it further.

Can't afford it, but I do and I VERY much appreciate it when other people do also.

We need societal changes that will pay for sick days (for those employed) as part of any job.

[Bonobo]

22. Now THAT is the way to do it.

Thank you, Uppity Person. You know what I mean.

[uppityperson]

26. I try. Thank you. Doesn't seem name calling helps anyone.

[Bonobo]

27. You are so right about that.

Realizing that is the difference between the behavior of children and adults.

One might make you feel superior, but it is just self-indulgence.

A confident adult doesn't need to step on others.

Anwyay, thanks again. You may have saved someone's life and you will never know.

[uppityperson]

35. Also, notice it is H1N1, not "swine" flu. If need to shorten, call it hinie flu

[Ilsa]

40. FYI, I've had a seasonal flu LAIV before, and it usually does give you

some mild symptoms of the flu, such as headache, aches, low grade fever, etc. You might want to avoid a LAIV if you have to be at your best (important presentations, etc) for the following 48 hours. Aside from that, it was nice not having to take the shot.

[uppityperson]

45. thanks for the info, I've only gotten the shots.

I don't really mind getting shots, nice to hear from someone who has gotten the laiv.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

44. I got the H1N1 injection last night and the seasonal vaccine on Sunday morning.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

49. what the HELL is this useful information doing here? I'm outraged!

anti-epidemicker!

[uppityperson]

50. so sorry. tiny tear. will try to do better next time. maybe throw in some broad insults too

then take offense when offense is taken.

sorry, got a seasonal influenza vaccine last week and am just NOT uppity enough again.