How can it be we have an extraordinary work force and our companies

[madokie]

are sending more and more jobs offshore and no one seems to bother putting two and two together. Who can deny that the problem right now is no jobs and the reason for those no jobs is companies going elsewhere to manufacture the goods they want to sell us. This is such a stupid scheme if I've ever heard of one, almost a ponzi scheme if you ask me. This is totally not sustainable. Why aren't our congress critters going after this with the urgency it demands?

[thunder rising]

1. When the American dream is reduced to packing whole families into studio apartments we'll get jobs

That studio apt of course will require both parents to work full time.

[busybl]

10. and don't forget, you'll need a couple of boarders too.

[xchrom]

2. reminds me of the ridiculous pyramid schemes that ran around the country

in the eighties.

but now we have both the corporations and the public buying into it -- god knows we don't want to keep cheap products made in china and india from american consumers -- even here we see people defend to the high heavens their wal=mart purchases -- which amounts t this equation in very real terms.

[madokie]

5. It should be obvious that we're running our of purchasing power

and once we hit bottom then what're the sorry assholes who brought this all upon us going to do then, slink off and live life as close to what they think a king must. It it's not pretty obvious as to who is on our side in all this one has to look no further than this healthcare fiasco.

[xchrom]

8. you sum it up very, very nicely --nt

[gateley]

3. Am I mistaken in thinking that the big corps get a tax break somehow for

moving their operations overseas? I'm of the belief that these regulations were put in place so the fat cats could make even more obscene profits.

I could be wrong -- hope somebody who knows can clarify.

[Cleita]

4. They want to turn the world into a banana republic.

Ten percent, who have all the money and all the power, will enjoy all the benefits and live the good life. The rest of us will be cheap and convenient labor, hopefully to die before we are middle-aged, so a younger and stronger work force can take over and live long enough to produce the next generation of half-starved workers. Don't forget that the women, the brood cows in this scheme, also have to be treated like property so the whole thing works.

[glitch]

6. People severely understimate how creepy they and their worldview are.

It's weird, but brainwashing does work.

I hope we evolve out of it in time but I have my doubts as decades pass with very little progress.

[snagglepuss]

7. +1

[busybl]

12. that's why they aren't bothering to educate kids anymore.

what do you need to know to work at service jobs?

[spin]

16. Educated people are interested in the news...

they understand how government should work and they give a shit. If the system doesn't work, they change it.

Uneducated people are much easier to herd.

We are moving toward a modern version of a feudal society.

Feudalism is a decentralized sociopolitical structure in which a weak monarchy attempts to control the lands of the realm through reciprocal agreements with regional leaders. In its most classic sense, feudalism refers to the Medieval European political system composed of a set of reciprocal legal and military obligations among the warrior nobility, revolving around the three key concepts of lords, vassals, and fiefs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

Our government is the weak monarchy and the regional leaders are the big multinational corporations.

That's why we will never get a healthcare system as good as most other developed nations. Our politicians are bought and paid for by the big insurance companies. Our elected officials feel they are far superior to those who elect them and we should appreciate the crumbs they throw us. But these officials are quick to bow and kiss the feet of their true masters.

[busybl]

9. I was astounded and dismayed that Reiman Publications

outsources their customer service. They do Country magazine and Taste of Home and others that
celebrate the American lifestyle.

[doc03]

11. Americans want material possessions, the more of them and

cheaper the better, they are just providing the public with what they want. Most Americans don't worry who the hell makes stuff until it hits home.

[RandomThoughts]

13. If you don't understand it is because you do not understand the mind set.

In the views of profit, the American peasant is no different then a foreign peasant.

Then you add to it that many in decision making positions like the state control of places like China and many third world countries with less freedom.

In other words, some corporations hate us for our freedom.

That is not a slight on CEOs. It is there job to make profit, and they are trapped into many things by that goal. Many are really good people, however the lack of a regulatory structure or a lack of society actually setting what is acceptable, makes them race to the bottom for profit.

When Bush said it would be easier if he was a dictator, he was not joking. Saudi Arabia is a monarch, one of the biggest allies of the monopoly capitalism system. And most of the governments that are corporate supported lean to authoritarianism


It is unfortunate that people actually think that leaders of many sectors, private and public, in America think about America first. Also it should be noted that trade is a big cash cow for Big Oil since those tankers all run on oil.

I do agree we need to help to bring the rest of the world up to a better standard of living, and that is a rational for trade. But in monopoly capitalism the goal is to bring other countries down to there standard of living.

Free trade creates the race to the bottom, the country that treats the environment, its citizens, and things like product safety the worst, are most profitable. So free trade makes things worse and worse, and as things get worse, the need for less freedoms and a security state goes up, which is why they like dictatorships. It is all connected.

Protectionism where countries have import taxes when they do not have at least a minimal standards of a living wages and safety for workers and environment is the race to the top. If selling your product includes it having to be made within a method that most of society approves of, even if less profitable, then the pressure from production and consumption does not race down, but it races up.


Here is a question, if we do not have jobs because of lack of demand for goods. Which can also be stated as production capability higher then demand. Then why don't we accept a small loss in productivity that increases need for jobs while also protecting the environment and using alternate forms of energy, and that uses workforces with more benefits and higher wages?

Answer, because in race to the bottom free trade, someone else will make the goods cheaper by not doing those things, so by assigning protectionism for societal goals, you solve two problems, you hamper race to the bottom, and you create jobs.

[doc03]

14. How many hundreds of times have I seen

DUers bashing American made products? They blame the auto companies for all the industries problems and buy a car made in Japan or Korea but don't consider the American worker that they are putting out of work. I posted several times today on a thread that was running down the American auto industry and American workers. How many times have I seen threads on peoples favorite beer for instance and the majority of DUers prefer some swill from another country rather than our own products, they never consider there is an American worker depending on it for his livelihood. :puke:

on edit: Here is another example, my neighbor has a Curtis Mathis TV that is still working and it is about 30 years old. Curtis Mathis TV's were made in American and were a quality product but more expensive. The American public had the choice of and American made product that cost a little more and a cheaper import they chose the cheaper import and we now have no American made TV's that I know of.

[MissMarple]

15. You're talking common sense here, a view to future repercussions. Scam artists live for today.

They have nothing in their souls except "me...me...me..." and greed. They are shallow and pathetic people. Oh, and they can be quite dangerous...like piranha.

The Cheney like people....ermmm....