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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:12 PM Original message |
OK, I have a minute now. I heard a story this morning early that the Baucus bill has a back door |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. From your mouth to the ears of the Conference Committee. n/t |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Part of the wellness, prevention incentives also discriminate. Important to do, but better. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. How is it better to discriminate? |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Poor sentence. Do wellness better, not discriminate. Better incentives on every part of plan. |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. Haven't heard that, but it makes sense to me that smokers, fast-food fatties, |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Do you always assume that people who are overweight are so |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. You're the one making assumptions. I'm talking about people who... |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I am a smoker and as healthy as can be. I even pay for children's health insurance |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. No smoker is "as healthy as can be." And yes, I do believe we should be taxed... |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
56. Perhaps stupid people should pay more ... |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
28. Yuo realize that many of our fast food fatties are that way |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. That's completely contrary to the proper health insurance model |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Well, I think those with healthy BMIs who don't smoke should get a better price... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. And those who do not practice dangerous 'activities' such |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. +1 |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. If those activities created the costs to our system that smoking and obesity do... |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. just being poor puts one's health at risk |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Absolutely. Why they wouldn't even BE poor if they lived right! Incentives, right? |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. that's the latest talking point, comparing HC to car insurance |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. The car insurance/health insurance comparison |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
34. Yeah cuz Goddamn It-- Health Care is a Privilege You Must Earn ! |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Actually, it is rather a lot about personal responsibility... |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. That is buying into a right wing propaganda technique. Let us pretend |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Like I said, I believe in single payer for ALL. I also believe in personal responsibility... |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yes it is right wing-- Why should I pay for you? We are all separate. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
51. What horseshit. What is it about SHARED RISK that you fail to understand here? |
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Journeyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hmm. . . suspicion that a whore (Baucus) has consented to do what the customer paid for. . . |
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hvn_nbr_2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Bingo! nt |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. must. have. link. |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. This was a story on MSNBC early this morning about 7 a.m CST. |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
12. A back door clause.,.. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
13. Do you remember who claimed that? I don't trust the m$m at all, with |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Alex Witt was interviewing someone about it. There was a guy |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. The wellness BS is just another insurance company excuse not to cover |
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Snarkoleptic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Agreed. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. This is just plain wrong. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. Baucus is a blasted scumbag. (nt) |
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asjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
22. Doesn't matter if the back door is open. There |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. I haven't heard a single Dem endorse the Baucus bill |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. Wait a minute... a word about people and fat |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I say that until McDonalds and other fast food restaurants are banned |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. What about a little self-control and responsibility?? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. It doesn't make sense because that means the people who need |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Ah. But there are other risky behavirors |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I just addressed that in #32 |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. we aren't bobmbarded daily by images |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. I haven't had any trouble feeding my kids healthy foods... |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. A very tiny population has that sort of access... |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. I'm so glad for your children that their parents can AFFORD the farmer's market... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Healthcare is a FUNDAMENTAL HUMAN RIGHT, so saying that... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. some people have a right to more rights than others. didn't you know that? |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. ugh -- not exactly what I'd call a progressive attitude. so much wrong with it, there's no point in |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
54. You're really big on that, aren't you? No one's trying to take away YOUR personal responsibility... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. We can not make lemonade out of this lemon. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-17-09 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
49. Of course it does.. Insurance companies are in it for the money |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
50. That isn't the problem. The problem is no cost controls |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
53. It's worth noting |
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TransitJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
57. This whole manufactured debate is so fucked. |
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TheWebHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-18-09 06:09 AM Response to Original message |
59. stopping the pre-existing condition situation of rejecting altogether |
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