Postman
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:17 AM
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Was wild goose-chase balloon-boy hoax worse than WMD hoax in Iraq? |
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Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 09:17 AM by Postman
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/19/sheriff-balloon-boy-hoax-_0_n_325568.htmlYeah, what this father did in Colorado was stupid but it didn't end up with thousands dead and a country in ruins and another country financially broke..
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:24 AM
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1. so...if I'm not Hitler, Its ok if I strangle my wife? |
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moral relativism is not a valid argument.
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:28 AM
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If you're arguing that the Bushes need to be prosecuted. It demonstrates the difference in this country between the ruling class and the balloon people.
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:32 AM
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4. The Ruling Class can do no wrong. |
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They're like royalty, in that they are above the law because they ARE the law.
Ask any Blue Dog you happen to see: "What's more important, a balanced budget or the wars?"
Then ask: "What's more important, a balanced budget or universal health care?"
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Lerkfish
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Mon Oct-19-09 10:58 AM
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8. not sure you know my position at all, you're assuming a lot, though. |
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If you want my position I will tell you.
however, I am free to comment on the fallacy of moral relativism as a fallacy, no matter where I stand on either example.
for the record, I am for prosecuting Bush for war crimes, and I am for prosecuting the Heenes for crimes they have apparently committed.
I just don't think comparing the two is valid. Nor do I think making the comparison changes the validity of either prosecution. Apples and Oranges, even if both are guilty and should be prosecuted.
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Postman
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Mon Oct-19-09 11:21 AM
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10. I meant the statement to be an indictment of the press..... |
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sorry for the confusion....
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Lerkfish
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Mon Oct-19-09 11:59 AM
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11. ok, I'm sorry for being confused |
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I thought you were equating the severity of the crimes in some way, or excusing one crime on the basis of another crime.
Now I see what you're saying... my bad.
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Mon Oct-19-09 03:23 PM
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12. Only if a country has abandoned the rule of law. |
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Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 03:24 PM by sabrina 1
That's what has happened in the US. We became a lawless country over the past eight years.
As for your analogy, it doesn't work since in the Balloon Boy case, no one was physically hurt and there was apparently as far as we know, no intention to physically harm anyone.
To make your analogy work, you would have to ask
"so .... if I'm not Hitler, It's ok if pretend my kid went up in a balloon?" I think when people think of it that way, thanks to our abandonment of the rule of law regarding wealthy, powerful people, the answer might generally be 'yes'! Explain to me why the law should be discriminatory, only going after the little guys?
Until we restore the rule of law in this country, I do believe that defense attorneys could make the case that unless the law is applied equally, singling out certain individuals, the poor, minorities eg, for prosecution for crimes not even close to the seriousness of those committed by the Bush administration, IS discriminatory. Isn't that a violation of the 14th Amendment?
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:31 AM
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3. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R) |
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Edited on Mon Oct-19-09 09:32 AM by SpiralHawk
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jellen
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:32 AM
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Of course the boy story was stupid but the war story was immeasurably worse. I tend to believe that some network or some kind of backer put the family up to this hoax. But why was it necessary to start a war? I have been believing that the world has evolved to a degree of civility where war wasn't necessary. Maybe we have , so it is necessary for people to lie to get a war going, when years back, people could see that a war was needed to defend oneself. None of this preemptive stuff !
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:33 AM
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6. Bush and Cheney lied America into war. |
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And Corporate McPravda helped.
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Mon Oct-19-09 09:36 AM
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7. excellent question--however, the media always needs something |
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to excuse the lack of doing their jobs. Balloon Boy is better than Shark Week
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