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Tue Apr-17-07 03:55 PM
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Randy went off on gun laws in Texas |
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that dubya signed while he was governor and how the crime rate has gone up.
She is on fire today!
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Tue Apr-17-07 03:58 PM
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1. Did she mention what they were? |
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That might help further discussion.
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:19 PM
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7. Legalized carrying concealed weapons. |
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Aside from presiding over a record number of executions, it was his biggest accomplishment as governor.
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:38 PM
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11. How many murders were by people carrying concealed weapons? nt |
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Tue Apr-17-07 03:59 PM
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:02 PM
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3. It's about time we stopped shying away from the gun controversy. |
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There are some things that cause alot of discord, even among Democrats, when they're discussed openly. But that doesn't mean we can hide them in a closet. Discussion about gun control, though not for the faint-hearted is the only way out of the nightmare we're in.
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:09 PM
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4. But...but...but...I keep having DUers tell me that crime drops when concealed carry |
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Edited on Tue Apr-17-07 04:09 PM by AndyA
goes into effect.
Of course, that hasn't happened where I live, we keep breaking the all-time high murder records. And those murders 9 times out of 10 involve guns.
And apparently it hasn't happened in Texas, either.
And I hear things ain't so hot in Florida...(except for the weather in August...)
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:19 PM
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6. She specifically mentioned that |
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both Texas and Florida have seen crimes involving guns go up since they loosened gun restrictions.
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:36 PM
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9. Did she mention how many of those crimes were by CCW holders? |
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:37 PM
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I turned her on in the middle of her rant.
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:40 PM
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12. I think the point is that CCW laws didn't cause a drop in crimes being commited |
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It's about the fact that there is not a relationship between CCW laws and violent crime rates. Not that CCW permit holders are committing crimes. The only reason that this is news worthy is due to the false claims that CCW permits would somehow reduce crime.
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:17 PM
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5. no randi does not know her stuff....she generalizes way too much. |
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does she drill down into things. Yes sometimes.
does she gloss over and misrepresent. Yes more than sometimes
do I still listen. yes. less and less though.
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:20 PM
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8. Were you listening today? |
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Tue Apr-17-07 04:42 PM
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13. No but I listened yesterday where she said |
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the constitution does not give people the right to bear arms and that "arms" was not in the constitution.
and that the founding fathers were totally against rebellions
Thomas Jefferson "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" for America
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Tue Apr-17-07 05:33 PM
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The second amendment gives you the right to be armed as part of a militia. Can't forget that militia part. :)
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Tue Apr-17-07 05:53 PM
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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
nope....if that were the case the vast majority of americans would have been dis-armed in 1791 when the 2nd amendment was ratified. Very few americans were in the army or militia in 1791.
They needed to be able to call up a civilian army who were already armed so they could defend the new country.
the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Tue Apr-17-07 06:07 PM
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16. We can argue this for days |
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I disagree with you. The reason this amendment was added was because the country couldn't afford a standing army and the framers were afraid the British would invade, (which they did in 1812), so they decided to allow US citizens to form a militia and a militia needs to be armed. Hence, that "well-regulated militia" language.
This amendment is probably the most misunderstood and falsely interpreted. Support also swings back and forth. I remember second amendment arguments when I was a kid 40 years ago. So sooner or later, we will go back the other direction. Just give it time.
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