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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:39 AM
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Generals vs Obama, of is it PNAC vs Obama?
With the troops moving out of Iraq in August of next year, wouldn't the PNAC's stated plan to have a hundred thousand or more American troops stationed in the Middle East(Afghanistan)be kept alive?

I think Gates is STILL one of them! I wonder if the "Office Of Special Plans"(OSP) is still alive and well in the basement at the Pentagon.

A dead snake can still bite you unless you cut off it's head. You can't trust snakes you know.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:50 AM
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1. Awe...I guess I hurt the wittle fweeper's feelins...
[]< psssssssst ~~~~~~~~<(ouch) *********** I recommend freeper spray!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:10 AM
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2. January 26, 1998
The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC


Dear Mr. President:

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.


Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.


Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy. MORE....

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm


June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead. MORE...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Office of Special Plans

Snip...

In July 2003, "due to ever increasing criticism about the role OSP has played in the gathering of intelligence and the conclusions made to justify the war with Iraq, the Pentagon changed the name of OSP back to its original name, Northern Gulf Affairs Office." MORE...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Office_of_Special_Plans

Office of Special Plans

The Office of Special Plans (OSP), which existed from September 2002 to June 2003, was a Pentagon unit created by Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, and headed by Feith, as charged by then-United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, to supply senior George W. Bush administration officials with raw intelligence (unvetted by intelligence analysts, see Stovepiping) pertaining to Iraq.<1> A similar unit, called the Iranian Directorate, was created several years later, in 2006, to deal with intelligence on Iran. MORE...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Special_Plans









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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:14 AM
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3. I don't know if it's PNAC or general-thinking.
These guys want to 'win' at all costs.

But the million dollar a year soldier and $400 per gallon of gas is working quite nicely.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:23 AM
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4. The PNAC wanted a troop storage platform in the Middle East
I guess now the neocons figure Afghanistan is a better location than Iraq? Afghanistan will be their new parking lot for the troops, tanks and planes. A place to pounce from, in order to carry out any future grand neoCon plans(Lebensraum)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:01 AM
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5. FYI: The Army HATED the folks in the Office of Special Plans. nt
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:03 AM
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6. Prolly both.
PNACers picked the generals for Smirko the Illiterate.
These stay-behind turds know allegiance to their cause, not the Constitution.

One thing's for sure: It's not just insubordination, their behavior is treason.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:50 AM
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7. Smirko the Illiterate AWOL booby trapped the government...
before he left town. Set it all to go BOOM, in Obama's face. I have thought about the systematic greed based deregulation and destruction of the economy, as maybe being a set up deal, to put the hounds off the trail of the war criminals and torturers who BTW, absconded with the loot with the rest of the looters.
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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 03:09 PM
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8. well said, k&r. n/t.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 06:47 PM
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9. William K. Black wrote about ''Control Fraud''...
Know your BFEE: Goldmine Sacked or The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

Agree with you, Hubert Flottz. These fellahs have nearly gotten away with the boost of all time. DU's on to their gangster arses, though.
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 07:42 PM
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10. It's no secret that the majority of commissioned officers, especially generals..
..are conservative Republicans.

Also, the civilian AND military leadership in the Pentagon has been infested with Christian "Crusaders" who believe they're in a war against Islam.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 09:00 PM
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11. I can't understand why the democrats didn't clean house...
at the Pentagon. I think Bush has the place full of planted/embedded neocons and PNAC stooges. I remember Bushco purging all but the yes men in uniform.
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