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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:30 AM
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New Yorker: Jane Mayer on CIA Predator Drone Secret War
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 02:33 AM by Hissyspit
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/10/jane-mayer-predators-drones-pakistan.html

OCTOBER 21, 2009
JANE MAYER ON PREDATOR DRONES AND PAKISTAN

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And how is it different than other uses of American force?

It’s not coming from the military. It’s a covert program run by the C.I.A. People know about Predator drones, but not that there are two programs. The U.S.-military program is an extension of conventional military force. The C.I.A. runs a secret targeted-killing program, which really is an unprecedented use of lethal force in places where we are not at war, such as Pakistan. It’s a whole new frontier in the use of force.

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Are there any safeguards that prevent the U.S. from carrying out political vendettas for top Pakistani officials?

Well, the problem with this program is that it’s invisible; I would guess there must be all kinds of legal safeguards, and lawyers at the C.I.A. are discussing who we can kill and who we can’t, but none of that is available to the American people. It’s quite a contrast with the armed forces, because the use of lethal force in the military is a transparent process. There are after-action reports, and there’s a very obvious chain of command. We know where the responsibility runs, straight on up to the top of the government. This system keeps checks on abuses of power. There is no such transparency at the C.I.A.

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At the same time, the fact that they kill civilians at all raises the same problem that McChrystal is trying to combat, which is that they incite people on the ground against the United States. When you’re trying to win a battle of hearts and minds, trying to win over civilian populations against terrorists, it can be counterproductive. That’s why (the former Petraeus adviser and counterinsurgency theorist) David Kilcullen wrote, “Every one of these dead non-combatants represents an alienated family, a new revenge feud, and more recruits for a militant movement.”

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Why do you think the Obama Administration chose to rely more on drones?

Basically because they can. It’s sort of the least bad option. They can’t get into the tribal areas of Pakistan where a lot of Al Qaeda suspects are thought to be hiding, but they can see them with these drones. So it’s the only way they can get at them.

But there are all kinds of unintended consequences. For one thing, these missile strikes could scatter Al Qaeda, and cells could move to other parts of Pakistan, maybe down toward Karachi, where the population is denser. There have been reports of people already starting to move there. Also, if the United States can legally kill people from the sky in a country that we’re not at war with, other countries will argue they can do the same thing. And the people using those joysticks in Langley and the deserts of Nevada could now be considered under international law to be engaged in warfare, which means they can legally be retaliated against. It’s a new horizon.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:35 AM
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1. K&R
"And the people using those joysticks in Langley and the deserts of Nevada could now be considered under international law to be engaged in warfare, which means they can legally be retaliated against. It’s a new horizon"

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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:36 AM
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2. Mandate of Heaven has been lost?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23774.htm

The lost ‘Mandate of Heaven’

The problem for the US power elites around Wall Street and in Washington is the fact that they are now in the deepest financial crisis in their history. That crisis is clear to the entire world and the world is acting on a basis of self-survival. The US elites have lost what in Chinese imperial history is known as the Mandate of Heaven. That mandate is given a ruler or ruling elite provided they rule their people justly and fairly. When they rule tyrannically and as despots, oppressing and abusing their people, they lose that Mandate of Heaven.

If the powerful private wealthy elites that have controlled essential US financial and foreign policy for most of the past century or more ever had a “mandate of Heaven” they clearly have lost it. The domestic developments towards creation of an abusive police state with deprivation of Constitutional rights to its citizens, the arbitrary exercise of power by non elected officials such as Treasury Secretaries Henry Paulson and now Tim Geithner, stealing trillion dollar sums from taxpayers without their consent in order to bailout the bankrupt biggest Wall Street banks, banks deemed “Too Big To Fail,” this all demonstrates to the world they have lost the mandate

In this situation, the US power elites are increasingly desperate to maintain their control of a global parasitical empire, called deceptively by their media machine, “globalization.” To hold that dominance it is essential that they be able to break up any emerging cooperation in the economic, energy or military realm between the two major powers of Eurasia that conceivably could pose a challenge to future US sole Superpower control—China in combination with Russia.

Each Eurasian power brings to the table essential contributions. China has the world’s most robust economy, a huge young and dynamic workforce, an educated middle class. Russia, whose economy has not recovered from the destructive end pf the Soviet era and of the primitive looting during the Yeltsin era, still holds essential assets for the combination. Russia’s nuclear strike force and its military pose the only threat in the world today to US military dominance, even if it is largely a residue of the Cold War. The Russian military elites never gave up that potential.

As well Russia holds the world’s largest treasure of natural gas and vast reserves of oil urgently needed by China. The two powers are increasingly converging via a new organization they created in 2001 known as the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). That includes as well as China and Russia, the largest Central Asia states Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.

The purpose of the alleged US war against both Taliban and Al Qaeda is in reality to place its military strike force directly in the middle of the geographical space of this emerging SCO in Central Asia. Iran is a diversion. The main goal or target is Russia and China.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:54 AM
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3. "The main goal or target is Russia and China."
Absolutely right. Thank you for that post. Anyone who thinks these military operations are just about the country being invaded and occupied (getting rid of a bad guy or helping the ladies) is ignorant of history, gullible and probably believes in magic or what corporate media says, or are just plain stupid, or maybe all three.
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 06:25 AM
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7. This really shows the picture without any airbrushing
Not pretty. Pretty disturbing vision. Thanks.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:01 AM
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4. She was interviewed on Fresh Air on Wednesday, and you have till...
sometime this afternoon to listen or download the podcast:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13

It's definitely worth listening to, as is digging in to your wallet to read the New Yorker article.

(I posted on this when I was listening to the show and got four or five replies-- good luck with this one not sinking while atheist ads in NYC has almost 250 replies and lots of recs)



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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:02 AM
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5. k&r! nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:50 AM
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6. "The Dark Sice" is a great read
by Jane Mayer- all the inside stuff on the legal aspect of the Cheney/Bush era... psst it was all Addington and Yoo
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