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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:35 PM
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House Has Votes for Robust Public Option
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 12:36 PM by berni_mccoy
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_45/news/39796-1.html

Leaders Confident on Health Bill Vote

House Democratic leaders sounded bullish Wednesday after launching an all-hands-on-deck effort to win support for a “robust” public insurance option in their health care bill.

“We think we have the votes now,” Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson (Conn.) told reporters. “We have the votes to pass a robust public option.”

Larson cautioned that the details were still being worked out, and Democratic aides said Members were still being whipped at press time and did not release a tally.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has asked her Members to line up behind the Medicare-based plan, rather than one that negotiates rates with providers, because it saves the most money, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

“The Members understand the choices that we have to make,” Pelosi said. “If you have one option that saves $110 billion and another that saves $25 billion, how do you make up the sum of that difference?”

All I have to say is :headbang: :bounce: :toast:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:38 PM
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1. We'd still have to get it past the Senate.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:10 PM
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11. But only by fifty one votes...
I believe no Democrat will join with republicans in a filibuster.. Never has happened in the entire history of our Government so i don't believe it will happen now. It is fine if some Democrats vote against the Bill as long as they don't vote against Cloture.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:38 PM
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2. Time to take some Senators out behind the woodshed.
Cudgels with nails will be provided.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:38 PM
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3. They probably have a half dozen or so votes "on reserve"
Members who will wait until the tally is at 216 or 217 before deciding who is allowed to vote no and who will have to dive in to the pool.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:40 PM
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4. Robust is open to interpretation
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:46 PM
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6. Yes, but . . .
It's better than hearing Harry Reid-esque whining that the leadership is "powerless" to do anything. I think citizen activism and pressure is having a salutary effect on our "leaders."
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:55 PM
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8. Medicare has been tweaked many times since it passed; many for the better.
The important thing is that we get a good public option. How good is not important right now.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:59 PM
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10. Was everyone who didn't qualify for Medicare mandated to purchase private insurance at first
With mandates for policy, you don't leave things to hope and chance
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:51 PM
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12. Medicare was open to everyone 65 and older, the government did not...
give subsidies to people over 65 to purchase private insurance, therefore knocking out the competition.

Medicare had a ready pool of subscribers which allowed them to negotiate prices with providers, the public option has no such ready pool as people can chose to purchase from a private insurance company.

Over 90% of seniors were enrolled in Medicare by the end of the FIRST year.

Obama says that just over 3%, according to the CBO estimate he quoted, would be enrolled in a public option by 2019.

The basic benefits were automatically available to everyone over 65 and financed by an increased payroll tax.

It did not have to be self-financed in contrast with the current public option bills.


How people can say the initial bills on Medicare and the public option are comparable is mind boggling.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/16/tom-price/medicares-history-public-option

"...He started with the administration's proposal to cover hospital services for the elderly, now known as Medicare Part A. He also included a proposal promoted by the committee's senior Republican member, John Byrnes of Wisconsin, who wanted coverage for physicians' services, now Medicare Part B. Finally, Mills included coverage for poor elderly Americans, which is today's Medicaid...

...Here's how an April 8, 1965, report in the New York Time s described the plan:

"As revised, the bill provides the basic hospitalization and nursing care benefits originally proposed by the administration while covering major doctor bills and many other medical expenses under a supplementary insurance program in which participation would be voluntary.

"The basic benefits, financed by increases in the Social Security payroll tax, would be automatically available to persons over 65. The additional coverage would be available to those over 65 who enrolled in the voluntary plan and paid premiums of $3 a month. Half of the voluntary plan's cost would be financed by federal subsidies of about $600 million a year from general tax revenues."

Johnson signed the Medicare law on July 30, 1965, and the program's aministrators began an intensive recruitment drive. At the end of the first year, participation was up to 93 percent of the elderly, according to The Politics of Medicare , a history by Theodore Marmor.



As we reviewed the history of Medicare, we noticed that legislators and policymakers drafting the legislation seemed to assume that Medicare participation would be very high. We could find nothing implying that Medicare coverage would compete with private insurers in paying for coverage...

This is markedly different from today's debate and discussion about the public option. Obama has said the public option would be one among many insurance proposals from which people could choose, and that it would be a backstop to keep private insurers honest. He also said it should not be subsidized by other tax revenues but pay for itself with customer premiums..."


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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:45 PM
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5. Thanks for posting, berni_mccoy. KnR
:thumbsup:
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:46 PM
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7. Thank you, Madam Speaker! She is one strong and courageous woman... hopefully Reid...
will follow suit.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:59 PM
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9. I think the Dems in Congress have been suffering a little shock lately at the concept of spines
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