Police: Dad ran over ‘Westernized’ daughter

[Contrary1]

:wow:

Arizona man allegedly upset she wasn't following traditional Iraqi values

PEORIA, Ariz. - Police in a Phoenix suburb are looking for a man suspected of running down his daughter because she was becoming too "Westernized" and was not living according to their traditional Iraqi values.

Police say 48-year-old Faleh Hassan Almaleki of Glendale allegedly ran his daughter down Tuesday at a parking lot in Peoria.

The victim, 20-year-old Noor Faleh Almaleki of Surprise, remains hospitalized with life-threatening injuries.

A second woman, 43-year-old Amal Edan Khalaf, also of Surprise, suffered non-life threatening injuries. Police say the women are roommates.

Police spokesman Mike Tellef said family and friends of the victims told detectives that the father had threatened his daughter because of her lifestyle.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33430070/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[imdjh]

1. Kathy Griffin

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[tularetom]

3. "Westernized"? Was she wearin a cowboy hat or something?

That term just sounds strange.

[Gwendolyn]

5. Lol. You need to expand your ideas of what the word "western" means.

There's a whole world outside of the USA. We live in the Western Hemisphere. So do a heck of a lot of other people.

The Western World is also a geopolitical term that encompasses Europe, New Zealand, Aussie Land, and North and South America.

[tularetom]

7. I know dat

For some reason the term just looked strange to me. Some guy (in Arizona of all places) runs over his daughter for being "westernized".

It was a joke. Maybe not a very good one, but a joke anyway. :shrug:

[Gwendolyn]

23. :-) n/t

[TexasObserver]

8. Yes. She rode a Blazing Saddle. Boots. Spurs. Ten gallon hat.

[WhollyHeretic]

51. Thanks a lot. I've had the theme song to Blazing Saddles stuck in my head for an hour now

:crazy:

Now I think I'll have to pull out my DVD tonight.

[TexasObserver]

57. Can I get you to think, instead, about the old ***** songs?

"I get no kick from champagne ... (ooo, oooooo)"

[JVS]

62. Maybe she was invading countries unprovoked.

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. If he doesn't like US culture, why did he move to the US? nt

[MNDemNY]

10. Yah !, America: Love it or Leave It. !!!

[Liquorice]

12. If you try to kill your daughter because she is acting too American, then you should leave. nt

[MNDemNY]

15. OK ,Glenn

[MNDemNY]

20. No, you should go to jail.

[leftynyc]

13. Your post is inane

What is wrong with asking why somebody would move to the US and then complain their daughter is Westernized and then kill her (and her friend).

[MNDemNY]

14. did you not read my post? or are you projecting?

:rofl:

[leftynyc]

26. You're behaving like an ass

And now I'm done with you.

[MNDemNY]

45. Go to your room.

[Matariki]

17. That's a dumb response to a valid question.

[MNDemNY]

19. Define "our" culture.

Now that would be a trick. Of course this crime is horrid, but you are sounding like a freeper.

[leftynyc]

28. Are you drinking?

It's freeperish to believe that if you don't believe in following the laws of this country, you probably shouldn't live here? Is that really your (moronic) position?

[MNDemNY]

47. If you don't follow laws, you should go to jail.

What has this to do with freeperish, nationalistic, knee-jerk responses?

[girl gone mad]

59. Okay. If you're planning to commit a crime..

because you object to our cultural norms, don't come to this country.

How's that?

[Matariki]

31. Clearly the guy in question has an idea of "Western Culture"

And given the fact that he dislikes it so much he's try to kill his own daughter for embracing it - it IS VALID QUESTION to ask why the hell he moved here.

Sheesh.

[treestar]

54. It's not that black and white

When your immigrant ancestors moved here, they probably tried to keep their culture going a bit, and that's why our culture is so diverse.

That said, of course the guy can't expect the law to bend to his culture. And his reaction was not logical. But clearly he expected his offspring to stick with old country ways. That doesn't give him the right to run her over. But not everyone who moves here will change overnight into accepting the very liberalized lifestyle (compared to the more conservative ways he is used to).

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. Actually, that would be more like 'embrace it, or don't emigrate to it'.

Seriously, how could you make a permanent move to a foreign country and not expect that country to influence your kids?

If you were to move to Mexico, would you expect your kids to not have Mexican friends? Would you expect them to not adopt Mexican styles? Would you be surprised if they came home and announced they were converting to Catholicism?

If he doesn't like Western lifestyle and fashions there are 50 Muslim countries he could have emigrated to, from Morocco to Indonesia, where he wouldn't have to worry about US customs, dress, or culture.

As an immigrant, SHE was embracing American culture. That doesn't mean she was planning to change her religion or forget her origins. She was doing as most immigrants do.

You support his right to murder his daughter for that?

[MNDemNY]

48. Now, you know I am not defending the father, I am also not going to defend your knee-jerk ...

nationalistic response.In fact, I thumb my nose in your general direction.

[RaleighNCDUer]

63. I think you need to look up 'nationalism' in the dictionary

because you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. How is it 'nationalistic' to say that if a person is opposed to the freedoms granted by western (i.e., US, European, South/Central American) culture, that person should stay in the culture he likes? And this is not an anti-Muslim statement - MOST Muslim cultures oppose honor killings as well. Honor killings are a holdover from medieval tribal societies. The US is NOT a medieval tribal society. You move to the US and have feelings for the 'old country', fine - use your grandmother's recipes, listen to the music your father listened to, tell stories of the heroes of your homeland, but obey the fucking laws of the land you voluntarily migrated to.

How the fuck is that 'nationalistic'?

[Withywindle]

71. It's not 'nationalistic.'

It would be true of ANY country that ANYONE emigrated to with their kids. The next generation of kids does tend to pick up the culture of wherever they are. If this family had moved to Mongolia, the kids would have Mongolian friends and listen to Mongolian music and go to Mongolian movies and wear Mongolian clothes and want to find work and socialize and date according to the way their Mongolian peer group does it.

If the cultural practices of any country you're considering moving to are so loathsome to you that you'd consider KILLING YOUR CHILDREN for picking them up, then don't fucking move there, no matter how much money you think you can make there.

[malaise]

30. Maybe because the US was bombing the shit out of his

country.

[RaleighNCDUer]

41. That would explain why he left his country, not why he came to ours.

The vast majority of Iraqi refugees moved to Syria, Lebanon and Jordan.

And your supposition makes no sense. If Russia was bombing the shit out of the US, would you move to Russia? Wouldn't you more likely move to Canada, which has a similar culture and language and mores?

This guy is about to learn that when you immigrate to the US, you leave your culture behind. Hang onto your recipes, keep your religion, but adapt to US culture and laws. IOW, NO FUCKING HONOR KILLINGS.

[treestar]

55. You don't leave your culture entirely behind

Or we wouldn't have all those Irish-American songs referring to emigration and being nostalgic for Ireland, for just one example.

Why are there Chinese restaurants in the U.S.?

Of course this guy is not justified in his actions. I'm commenting on the over-simplistic view that one is either all American or not at all.

[Clintonista2]

72. You leave the "I'm going to kill you if _____" part behind

[get the red out]

6. I hope he goes to jail for a long time

And I hope the young woman recovers.

We don't need this vile misogyny brought into our country, we are pretty good at creating our own.

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[redqueen]

11. Jesus. When will people stop advocating rape as punishment? (nt)

[Gwendolyn]

25. Just remember that all those guys who rape and get raped in prison get released some day...

And all that pent up rage from being victimized, and all the lessons in maximizing brutality learned, get unleashed on the outside. The Newsom/Christian rape/torture/murders come instantly to mind.

[Taverner]

29. I got a solution for that - but no one would like it

One prisoner to a cell - 2 hours out a day - no TV, just an Amazon Kindle

Trust me, after 20 years of that there will be no aggression left

[IDFbunny]

32. Prisons need reform

and we don't need to be cruel about it either. Cable and internet don't cost a lot and are wonderful pacifiers. Prisoners lost all their rights, property, and lives; we don't need to keep piling on punishments capriciously.

[Matariki]

16. You have to wonder why he moved to the US, if he doesn't like our culture?

[MNDemNY]

18. What culture is that?

:shrug: "our" culture??? have you a mouse in your pocket?

[redqueen]

21. Whatever it was that inspired him to run his own daughter down.

How's that for an explanation?

[yawnmaster]

37. you have it exactly right...

We don't have to define culture for the question here.
The father did it for us.
So to restate:
Why would he move to a country which has values ("western" by his definition), which, if his daughter adopted them, he would have to kill her?

okay, a bit awkward, but I have to go eat and don't have time to fix it.

[Gwendolyn]

22. The short version pertaining to this thread includes this...

We're a culture that celebrates freedom of religion (theoretically) in a society steeped in individualism and the "welfare state." That's as opposed to a culture that is tribal and clan-based. Therefore, we no longer overtly engage in honor killings here on this side of the world.

Example: If I'm a no-good slut it wouldn't adversely affect my family, and my brother could still get a job. If he couldn't, the state would step in and we'd probably get food stamps. In the clan-based culture, if I'm a slut, basically the whole family is fucked financially since we'd be shunned, so it'd be prudent to off me as quickly as possible.

These are key differences.

[get the red out]

34. So in some instances it is good to murder your daughter

Murder in specific regions of the world is just fine and completely understandable?

Sorry, people who do this throughout the world are wrong. Tribal culture is FUCKED, these men are miserable bastards from hell no matter where they live.

Murderous, misogynyst bastards the world over should be called such. I can't believe people appologize for them, and use loaded terms like "no good slut". Misogyny, what this guy did and what your appology for this is as well.

Thanks for your good wishes for women everywhere, I am sure the men you make excuses for will take care to rid the world of those you term "no good sluts" as quickly as possible, pleasing those who think the tribal way is better than civilization and equality.

Dear God, some liberals make me want to vomit, appologizing for murderers AND calling any woman a "no good slut". Sick sick sick.

[redqueen]

36. +1

[Gwendolyn]

38. I see that subtlety is not in your vocabulary.

The person asked what our culture entailed. I pointed out the differences, while forgoing the use of a bunch of smilie icons to convey my anger and sarcasm. I figured it was obvious.

You wasted your time typing out that long treatise, but hope it made you feel better at least.

[get the red out]

39. I am just glad you clarified

You almost wasted your time typing what your wrote because of lack of clarity.

And yes, I still like what I said, I have run into too many liberals who do apologize for horrific crimes if committed by some "protected" culture.

And that half-brain you spoke of would have made the point you were trying to make much more clearly.

[closeupready]

46. But wait! Was she dressed provocatively?

That's relevant as to her guilt. :sarcasm:

(sarcasm directed at those who would blame the victim)

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. I think you need a refresher course in reading comprehension. nt

[get the red out]

64. Just can't stand it can you?

I guess you are someone who likes to play the old insult people to shut down discussion about any wrong done by a favored "non-American, non-Christian" or someone "George Bush wouldn't like so they can do no wrong". It's an old game here on DU and fully expected. It's played on any thread that deals with women's rights as opposed to male religious rights. The male religious rights are always supposed to win except for cases involving Fundamentalist Christians because it makes people feel "tolerant".

So shut down all dissent, try to make them feel like fools, like they shouldn't bother speaking up at all. Kind of like Free Republic.

[Gwendolyn]

65. Not really, in this case. S/he's right. Reading comprehension was obviously lacking.

[redqueen]

66. Disagree. You didn't use any other extremes... only "no-good slut."

The matter-of-fact tone of the rest of your message, combined with the sole exception of that one extreme term, is how you muddied your own message.

[Gwendolyn]

68. The person who ran over his daughter did so because she was living with her boyfriend.

It was the boyfriend's mother who was hit along with her. Considering how extreme the crime was, I guess one could surmise what his thoughts about the daughter were. My tone was matter-of-fact purposely to underline how little some men of clan-based cultures care for their own children when the financial health of the family is at stake. And it seemed best to answer the original post questioning whether the west even had a culture that way.

This poster ranted on about how I was condoning honor killing. An utterly ridiculous comment, and one which most certainly exhibits a lack of reading comprehension. Knowing why something occurs does in any way correlate with approval. If I tell that poster she'll burn her hand if she holds it over a fire that doesn't mean I'm in favor of burnings.

That you replied to my post doesn't surprise me though. As often as you tell me you're done with me Redqueen, you just always seem to have a hard-on for my posts and can't help yourself.

[redqueen]

69. LOL... and there you display your own lack of comprehension skills.

When I said I was done with you that one time, I meant in that thread, on that topic.

Believe me when I tell you I have nothing anywhere close to resembling a "hard-on" for you.

As always, your word choice is amusing. :hi:

[Gwendolyn]

70. Figured you would appreciate it.

I always aim to amuse. :hi:

[dionysus]

43. how you can spin this into an anti-america screed is awesome. you rule

:eyes:

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[slackmaster]

50. A culture of freedom of choice, equality, individual liberty, and rule of law

That culture.

[Withywindle]

73. That would be the culture where a young woman can move in with her boyfriend if she wants to

and no one seriously thinks this justifies brutal murder, by her own father no less. This country is misogynist in many ways, but when it's THAT grotesque and blatant and cruel, it won't fly. Really, do you, personally, know **anyone** who thinks this is OK? I don't. I feel fairly comfortable in saying that US culture does *not* generally believe a man has a legitimate right to snuff his daughters if they displease him.

That's the culture we're discussing. I LIKE that culture. It is by no means unique to the US - I can think of many more countries in the world where this act would be thoroughly condemned than ones where it would be approved. I hate the fact that this scumbag is here - I understand that we're bombing the shit out of Iraq and that's wrong, but does it really matter much to his dead daughter whether she was killed by a US bomb or her own father? (I would actually think the latter would be much more emotionally cruel.)

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. That poor woman.

[Taitertots]

33. Religion of Peace at it again

Why can't people see that religious zeal is a cancer on society?

[get the red out]

35. You are right

I hate Islam just as much as Christianity; simply for the patriarchy. I wish liberals weren't blinded by some romantic view of any group George Bush didn't like. It must be some kind of illness to not be able to see the truth on this.

[burning rain]

40. Now you're in for it!

Cue up hysterical accusations of racism.

[Hepburn]

42. Geeeeeeeez ... what a fucking day!

Somer Thompson is found dead and her parents and twin brother are devastated. So this asshole runs over his daughter because he does not like her life style?

Holy shit...

[noiretextatique]

44. both victims of people who had no respect for their lives

that poor little girl and this young woman. very sad.

[slackmaster]

49. "Traditional Iraqi values" date back only to 1920. AZ became a state in 1912.

The USA ratified the 19th Amendment in 1920. Iraq was set up as a puppet state by the British as a source of oil. Arizona State University, founded in 1885, has traditions older than any "traditional Iraqi values".

What an assclown.

[winyanstaz]

52. You try to kill your daughter for ANY reason you shouldnt leave...

You should go to jail forever.

[mikeytherat]

56. Do "traditional Iraqi values" include running people over, in Peoria, with a car?

Sounds kinda Western to me.

mikey_the_rat

[slackmaster]

60. He probably doesn't own a herd of goats to stampede people with

:shrug:

[busybl]

58. If they want to live in the 12th century, why the hell come here?

[redqueen]

67. Maybe he expects the wacko type of fundie Christians to take over here...

and for them to return this country to where both he and they would like it.