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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:28 AM
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Depleted Uranium: We Have Become Death
A few days ago there was a OP about the deadly radioactive contamination of Iraq and Afghanistan by the United States air and ground forces. The question on my mind this morning is, how bad is it? It turns out it's bad. I just Googled "Depleted Uranium" and the results are horrifying. This is a munition that has to be found illegal by the Geneva Conventions and the United States must put our radio active waste back in the approved fills.

The gift that keeps on giving. We don't just kill our enemy, we poison their land and tortuously kill their kin, children, their grandchildren for a hundred years after.

The true cost in human life of these misbegotten wars will not be known for a hundred years. For that alone, George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the cast should burn in whatever hell they fear the most for eternity.

This is a war crime. An investigation must be undertaken to determine if the cast of characters knew about the DU and allowed this deadly poison to be sprayed across Arabia.

What are your thoughts?
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:37 AM
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1. That was my OP and I agree with everything you said.
Depleted uranium is Agent Orange on steroids. :(
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:52 AM
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4. A new protocol must be put into place. Much like the restrictions on incendiary weapons
except that the use of radioactive material in any munition must be defined as a crime.

Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons.
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NoUsername Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 11:26 PM
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13. The UN resolution against deplete uranium has been in place for years.
The US and others have chosen to ignore it. Here's a few snippets from an article from 2003:

Published on Sunday, March 30, 2003 by The Sunday Herald (Scotland)
US Forces' Use of Depleted Uranium Weapons is 'Illegal'
by Neil Mackay

BRITISH and American coalition forces are using depleted uranium (DU) shells in the war against Iraq and deliberately flouting a United Nations resolution which classifies the munitions as illegal weapons of mass destruction.

...

Professor Doug Rokke, ex-director of the Pentagon's depleted uranium project -- a former professor of environmental science at Jacksonville University and onetime US army colonel who was tasked by the US department of defense with the post-first Gulf war depleted uranium desert clean-up -- said use of DU was a 'war crime'.

Rokke said: 'There is a moral point to be made here. This war was about Iraq possessing illegal weapons of mass destruction -- yet we are using weapons of mass destruction ourselves.' He added: 'Such double-standards are repellent.'

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According to a August 2002 report by the UN subcommission, laws which are breached by the use of DU shells include: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; the Charter of the United Nations; the Genocide Convention; the Convention Against Torture; the four Geneva Conventions of 1949; the Conventional Weapons Convention of 1980; and the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, which expressly forbid employing 'poison or poisoned weapons' and 'arms, projectiles or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering'. All of these laws are designed to spare civilians from unwarranted suffering in armed conflicts.


More at http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0330-02.htm

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:51 AM
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2. i agree
and these facts have been known since the first gulf war. why nothing is done i do not know.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 04:51 AM
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3. I agree with you
Iraq and Afghanistan should be treated as crime scenes because of the DU alone if nothing else
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 05:07 AM
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5. A presentation on depleted uranium posted on this board a few years ago.
Re-linking for newer DUers who might not have seen it.


Depleted Uranium: an Introduction.

Dr. Fasy is an Associate Clinical Professor of Pathology at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City. He has longstanding interests in carcinogenesis and environmental toxicology. In the past two years, he has lectured at conferences and university campuses on the toxic effects of inhaling uranium oxide dusts derived from depleted uranium weapons.

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It is a high honor for me to speak before the WORLD TRIBUNAL on IRAQ. I thank the organizing committee for their invitation.

Uranium is radioactive and it is a toxic heavy metal. Inside the body, uranium exists as uranyl ions. Much of the toxicity of uranium is chemically mediated, in addition to the effects mediated by radiation.

In 1896, while conducting experiments with crystal of potassium uranyl sulfate, Henri Becquerel discovered the phenomenon of radioactivity. Uranium, however, was known to be toxic since the 1820's.

In june 1942, when a commission of scientists reported to President Franklin Roosevelt that a uranium fission bomb could be built "in time to influence the outcome of the war", they explicity warned about the toxicity of uranium and consequently, a large scale research program on uranium toxicology was begun in May 1943.

It is now clear that uranium has multiple toxicities. This slide summarizes some of the major toxicities of uranium.

By the early 1900s, uranium was well recognized to be a kidney toxin. By the mid-1940s, uranium was known to be a neurotoxin. By the early 1970s, uranium was recognized to be a carcinogen based on mortality studies of uranium workers and on experiments with dogs and monkeys. The first evidence that uranyl ions bind to DNA was reported in 1949 and by the early 1990s, uranium was shown to be a mutagen. Also, in the early 1990s, uranium was shown to be a teratogen, that is, an inducer of birth defects. The toxic effects of uranium on the kidney and on the nervous system typically occur within days of exposure and radiation probably plays little or no role in mediating these effects. In contrast, the carcinogenic effects of uranium have a delayed onset. The teratogenic effects of uranium might be due to exposure of one parent prior to conception as well as to exposure of the mother to uranium early in pregnancy.

Now let us briefly consider the routes of exposure to uranium. In the context of the dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons, this means exposure to uranium oxides. By far the most dangerous route of exposure to uranium oxides is the inhalational or respiratory route. Absorption of uranium oxides through the gastrointestinal tract, the skin and the conjunctivae is possible but quite limited.

Following impact with hard targets, uranium metal undergoes combustion releasing large quantities of very small uranium oxide dust particles into the environment.

These dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons are drastically different from the natural uranium that is normally present in rocks and soil.

Soil particles contain uranium at very low concentrations, typically less than 5 parts per million; the vast majority of these soil particles, however, are too large to be inhaled deep into the lungs. In contrast, the dust particles derived from depleted uranium weapons contain very high concentrations of uranium, typically more than 500.000 parts per million; moreover, most of the D.U. dust particles are sufficiently small to be inhaled deep into the lungs. Thus, compared to the uranium naturally present in the environment, D.U. dust contains uranium in a form that is vastly more bio-available and more readily internalized.

Uranyl ions bind to DNA; they bind in the minor groove of DNA. While bound to DNA, uranyl ions are chemically reactive and can give rise to free radicals which may damage DNA. Chemically mediated DNA damage of this type may contribute to the ability of uranium to induce cancers.

I would now like to present some epidemiologic data from the Basra governate in the south of Iraq. In February 1991, more than 300 tons (possibly much more than 300 tons) of D.U. weapons were used in South of Iraq. After 5-6 year latent periods, increases in childhood cancers and birth defects were documented in the Basra governate. The most recent data indicate a four fold increase in pediatric malignancies and a seven fold increase in congenital malformations compared to 1990, the year preceeding the war.

Continued here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4124449

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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 05:18 AM
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6. This is a already a war that will never end. Even when we pack up and leave, we'll still be killing
Do you suppose that the Arabians will become fond of us in 50 years from now when babies are still deformed?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 05:29 AM
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7. The wretched dick and w knew what they were doing
they wanted the oil and didn't care what it took to get it. They didn't care that the place may someday be declared uninhabital for humans because those people are brown skins anyway and who cares about the brown skins:sarcasm: All they wanted was their oil under all that sand of theirs and they couldn't talk the people out of it so whats a war criminal to do except blow them to smitherines and contaminate their land so no one can live there ever again for hundreds of years, if ever. They knew that they would always be able to find enough uninformed and desperate people to work their oil fields.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 05:43 AM
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8. Iraq was already rotting from DU from the 1st Gulf War.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 11:58 AM
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9. The birth defects are horrible.
The unintended blowback is that our military and their offspring are also affected.

Depleted uranium, white phosphorus, and microwave weapons are just more reasons to bring those responsible for this horror to be held accountable.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:17 PM
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10. kick n/t
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 10:30 PM
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11. Become death , hell we are the bringer of death
We have been for centuries only we do it better now and leave a everlasting affect most never bother to look at until the wind shifts and it blows over here and we have horrid birth defects like we have made. What a sick world and we are the main reason for all of this and yet no one will ever admit it. As long as there in money to be made I guess it will continue not matter what until it is our lung that hangs outside our body or our skin that falls off then suddenly the bell just might go off.
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mullard12ax7 Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 11:18 PM
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12. Did you watch Bill Moyers tonight? War crimes don't mean much.
Most Americans have happily deluded themselves into believing nothing needs to be done about war criminals, ever. In fact, I just read today that the Iraqi war is over, right here on the greatest page of this site. Yeppers, it's all over, no need to worry out pretty little heads about it.
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