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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:36 PM Original message |
They only had 46 firearm homicides in Britain last year. The lowest since the late 80's |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. Hmm, oh let's see, how about banning guns for normally law-abiding citizens? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Continuing to decimate their former empire? |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yes but |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
4. Los Angeles County - - 402 in 2006 |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
49. Bingo. And no one is excluded or left out of society, at least in theory |
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Starfury (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #4 |
72. You're right, it's not just violence - homeless statistics also show a huge disparity |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
5. i'd rather be here than in the Colombia. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. They've outlawed handguns for starters. |
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rsr1771 (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. basically two choices... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Freedom is metal detectors in every major building in America? |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Tell that to the parents of 32 dead kids. As long as YOU have your "individual freedoms" |
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rsr1771 (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:00 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. ok, then... |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
70. Yeah. I walk into a classroom with a lit cigarette and 32 kids bleed to death. Right. |
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qdemn7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Yes That's Right |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Homicidal maniacs DON'T follow the law. Illegal guns won't stop them. |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. You are wrong. It was a "legal" gun. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 04:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
74. You're starting to sound like Gonzo |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
23. When you say you choose freedom over a gun ban, |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Gee, Black or white solutions .....Europe doesn't ban personal weapons |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. Tough luck for those students, eh? |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. K & R |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
9. Hmmm... could it be... gun control? nt |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. Great Britan might have more effective gun control laws... |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:13 AM Response to Reply #10 |
32. At least they have a dental plan |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
11. I have always heard that in Switzerland |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. 300 people killed a year with those miltia rifles in Switzerland |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. The new rules are even far more liberal than ours, I don't |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. considering that Switzerland is about the population of NYC |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
57. That's 300 with just the miltary guns kept in homes |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Not quite exact about Swiss citizens |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Where's the control it says they can keep them or hand them in if |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Like everthing the Swiss do - they fill in paperwork |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Like I say it isn't the guns it's America's violent |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. This is exactly what Michael Moore said in "Bowling for Columbine" |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. I think it's only the men |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
12. One of the central points in Bowling for Columbine that I think a lot of people overlooked |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
27. ComerPerro is right |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I would wager if you armed every citizen in |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. "they come over here and something happens to them" |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. If they had the guns in the Asian countries they |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. And why is that? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Here's Michael Moore's liberals's pledge to gun owners |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. First of all automatic weapons are illegal already |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Better check your data again, doc03. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
51. Louisiana has the highest murder rate and it's a haven for guns |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. The top murder states also have lots of poverty, which you overlook. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. These kids at VT were killed by bullets not poverty |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Point? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. What's ill about America is that we have such easy access to guns |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You STILL don't get it |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The US has the same exact assault rate as UK, NZ, Australia and Canada |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Yes...and I am sick of the obtuse |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. MICHAEL MOORE IS FOR GUN CONTROL ---GO TO HIS WEBSITE! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Duh! |
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Madspirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. For God's sakes |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I don't believe Americans are that different or worse than other nations |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
14. no 'gun mentality' in the UK |
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MikeNearMcChord (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
15. One wouldn't know this fact, if one was reading conservative |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. That's why there's so much Astroturf here lying and spinning about guns |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
24. If Cho had had a few more clips, he might have exceeded the total |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
29. NYC has some tough gun laws |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:11 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Actually NYC doe very well vs other American cities that a far worse |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
33. They're also the most watched society, at least in the West |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
34. the british don't harbor paranoid fantasies of guns protecting them from 'tyranny' |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
36. But..but...they are tyrannized and downtrodden under draconian laws!! |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Yeah, and they have four million surveillance cameras... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. As an Anarchist, I'm not required to be consistant. |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
39. Cheney was on holiday. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
43. Hard to say - they had low rates years before they banned guns. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. I looked at that last link, and here's how it defines "violent crime" |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
62. Ahh thanks - did not see that! nt |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
63. Meanwhile, in Russia, where virtually all guns are banned, much like the UK |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
64. We've had 100 in Philly so far this year. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 04:48 AM Response to Original message |
73. Up from a ninth of the murders we used to have |
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