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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:04 PM
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Poll question: The not-so-long gone, but dearly missed (?) BLOCK function...
Edited on Sun Jan-28-07 10:05 PM by IndyOp
I didn't like the block function when it was introduced. I was afraid of being locked out of threads that I wanted to respond to.

It turned out not to be a problem for me and I noticed an improved quality of conversation -- a whole lot less bashing of other DUers and less snark.

I thought people were still speaking their truth, but doing so in a more polite way - respectful-like, if you know what I mean.

Now the attacking comments are back in lots of threads: TROLL! Your comment was NASTY! My comment was NOT nasty! Well, why don't you just go post in another thread now?

:puke:

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

DistantEarlyWarning's Predictions about the Block Function:

2) Second, a group norm will eventually be developed whereby it's socially acceptable to have up to 3-4 people on one's ignore list - having that many and no more will give the impression that the DUer in question is a reasonable person who is open to debate but is tired of having to put up with a few jerks who always disrupt his conversations (which may actually be true for many posters). Some DUers will build self-esteem by adopting a more puritan attitude of not having anyone on their block list, allowing them to feel smug about being a more nice/open-minded/fearless/whatever person than anyone else. (Yes, I'll probably get flamed by some "puritans" for that last statement - oh well. Some people can't handle truth.)

3) Third, some angry posters (the "I'll show them!" people) will ignore said above norm and use this feature block on absolutely everyone they don't agree with or who might have ever once said something they found offensive in any way, no matter how minor. This is the playground equivalent of refusing to let anyone play with you in the hope that they might notice you refusing to let them play with you and feel bad. Unfortunately for them, the end result will inevitably be that only the really thin-skinned DUers notice or care about their "great revenge", and they will end up standing alone in their corner of the playground throwing the ball by themselves. This will be no great loss for any of the other kids, who will still be playing ball with one another. Eventually the "I'll show them" people will either figure out that they are just shunning themselves and revise their poor attitude, or they will leave because talking to oneself isn't really fun. Either way DU improves.

4) Fourth, certain other posters (the "I think dissent = getting out the flamethrower at every possible opportunity" people) will end up on a lot of 3-4 person lists. This will effectively shut them out of a lot of different conversations. Since they get entertainment from ticking people off, DU will cease to be interesting and they will move on to other, unmoderated boards where they can flame unsuspecting victims to their heart's delight. They may also end up totally humiliated if the mods ever decide to post a list of the "most blocked". Again, no great loss for DU.

5) Due to the loss of 3 and 4, and judicious application of #2, DU will eventually become a more civil environment. Debate will still happen, some people will block others for revenge, but in general, the overall adult level of discourse will probably rise. The thin-skinned people will be happy that the flamers are gone. The "puritans" will feel even better about themselves for rising above/being enlightened after a lot of posters put 3-4 people on their block lists. The "hate and fear change" people will prophecy gloom and doom for a while until they get comfortable with the new stuff. And eventually this will just seem like the normal way things were always done around here.

DistantEarlyWarning's Predictions are here.
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:10 PM
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1. Did DU really have a block function? Hmmm. Why did I never notice? (nt)
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:13 PM
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2. I wouldn't make a thing like this up -
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:13 PM
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3. it was here and gone very quickly
blink and you missed it
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:14 PM
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4. I can't give an impartial opinion
it caused a problem for me.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:17 PM
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7. Thank you for sharing your opinion.
I value your posts and I wouldn't want you to go away.

I just would really like the ad hominem attacks to cease. I'm not complaining about anyone attacking me - they haven't. I am complaining about reading threads that are virtually content-free food fights.

:(
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:15 PM
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5. Bring It Back! Bring It Back! Bring It Back!
:bounce:

During The Block the assholes were actually trying to figure out how to be less assholish. They didn't want to be Left Out of The Game.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:19 PM
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9. Yes! The assholes were actually trying to figure out how to be less assholish.
I was hoping I hadn't just hallucinated a positive change of tone. It was real, wasn't it...?

:-)
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:24 PM
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13.  The board was markedly improved. Skinner, Elad, EarlG - give peace a chance!
If it was abused, let's address that. But don't through the baby out...
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:16 PM
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6. I think it was a good idea, personally.
Sure there were going to be those who are going to abuse it but who the eff cares? I certainly don't. If a poster wants to live in ignorance, so be it.

I haven't used it when it was introduced but I can see it being handy in certain situations.
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:18 PM
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8. I liked it.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:21 PM
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10. Never used it, never cared. nt
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:21 PM
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11. I was not impacted by it, but I'm glad it's gone.
I don't think any member should be able to control what another posts (mods being the obvious exception, while in official capacity).

I think the IGNORE feature allows anyone to control their OWN experience without crossing a boundary into controlling others.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:24 PM
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12. well put
:)
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:28 PM
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15. You have a good point, Joe - maybe I should use ignore more...
But, then, it makes it hard to understand what is happening in a thread when people are replying to someone you have on ignore. And, doesn't the quality of a thread take a nose dive when posters who are regular disrespectful shit-kickers push themselves into the mix?

The likelihood that someone who is polite in expressing their truth would be blocked is low -- block is for posters who are rude and who resort to ad hominem attacks on someone with a different point of view. As I said, I was initially worried about being blocked, but then I wasn't. I am sometimes snippy and sometimes snarky, but most of the time I TRY to say what I have to say respectfully - no matter how strongly I disagree.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:25 PM
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14. I think it's a poor substitute for effective moderation, and was being misused.
One person put every GLBT DUer they could think of, and a few straight allies, on block. A lounger had most of the lounge on block, probably with the intent of starting some crazy thread nobody could respond to. Old fights were rehashed. In short, DU was an absolute clusterfuck. Maybe it would have settled down, but it was definitely not making life easier for the mods in the short term.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:28 PM
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16. Locking.
Discussion on this topic has ended. Direct your questions/comments toward the administrators.

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