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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 12:55 PM Original message |
Look, I know its a bad thing to hand out antibiotics like candy - but what about pain killers? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. That would be nice, but laws and regulations strictly limit what opiates can be used for |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I know, and its sad that our society punishes anyone looking for pain relief |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. It's not the MDs who work in pain mgmt |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I know - the DEA is the most worthless agency in our government |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. However, there isn't a black market for ipecac |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. What I've always wondered is why there isn't a "Grow your own" movement for Opium |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Maybe because it is so illegal and more obvious than pot? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. It's illegal to cultivate opium but not to have it growing in your garden |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Legality depends on state/community, but you are right, don't cultivate them |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. "Bread seed poppies" |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Absolutely...it becomes illegal the moment one slashes the flower in... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. There is, but the first rule of the GYOO movement is... |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. I've heard that Kratom is a good legal substitute for opiate effects..... |
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RedCappedBandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. There is a huge market for poppy pods |
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Tutankhamun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
20. I chugged a whole bottle of ipecac in college. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm sure the pharmaceutical companies would LOVE to get you hooked on painkillers |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. They're cheap and easy to manufacture, and generics keep prices low |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. So, as long as its the generic companies making money, it's OK? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. I don't care, I usually take generic ibuprofen when I have body pain |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:00 AM Response to Reply #18 |
56. Companies need profits to keep producing products |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. yeah I agree |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Alchohol is pretty addictive. So is Nicotine. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. Opiates depress respiratory function. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. But a little codeine works wonders on a dry, non-productive cough |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. Ive suffered from a condition called RSD for the last 11 years after an accident |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
61. RSD is so hard to diagnose, and because the symptoms ebb and grow, |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
16. Perhaps that's how Dr. Conrad Murray started out |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
19. Your taking painkillers unnecessarily doesn't make it more likely that *I* will die from infection |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
21. The way pain drugs are dispensed in this country is a crime. |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
22. And just think. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
23. In sicko America? No way, Jose. Upholding illusory, pretend "morals" trumps offering aid & comfort |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
24. I especially like how terminally ill people in pain "might get addicted". |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I think the reasoning is that they'll go to Hell if they die as addicts |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Oh yes, because those stridently upholding those aims/laws REALLY "care" about the less fortunate |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. The basis for all this shit is that our bodies belong to "God" and The State |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. LOL. I agree with you |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. When my Aunt died earlier this year, they came in to give her Morphine |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. I've never heard of a doctor having trouble prescribing morphine |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. Maybe I read it wrong... |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. wow, that's just so different from the experience we had here |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. They wouldn't have let you have any--those nurses are responsible |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
54. I don't know what part of the country you are in. Here it is not a problem |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I have always thought that is the height of absurdity... |
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Mariana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. I think they're more concerned about a tolerance developing. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. You'd be surprised at how many addicts do the Dilaudid/Heroin thing |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. If it were me who was the patient, I'd err on the side of more pain meds. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
52. My very worst memory of the death of my father from cancer |
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michaelvincent (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
34. This may give you something to think about |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Yes its addictive. So are lots of things. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. And what's your alternative? Not give pain meds to people with broken limbs? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. I think the poster was pointing out that even in acute injuries |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. You think a broken leg is a "minor ailment"? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:17 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Um, no, I said it was an acute injury that calls for narcotic pain relief. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Gotcha. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
43. Why would I need or want a strong, addictive pain killer for the flu? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. What responsible doctor would even prescribe it for minor aches and pains? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
50. It's the freakin' flu. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Yeah, this is my opinion, too. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-28-09 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
51. Are you mental? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Mental? and you carry a pretense of being medical? |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
53. The last thing you want to do if you have a virus that attacks your |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
55. After my experience yesterday... keep them prescription |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
59. The "War on Drugs" is so great, isn't it? *SARCASM* |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
63. Here is an article telling why (link to DU topic from today, serious epidemic in KY) |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-29-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
65. Narcotics |
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