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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 05:54 PM
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Hillary doing an interview with FOX tonight
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 05:54 PM by Thrill
DAMN.

I thought they would stick to their guns.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 05:56 PM
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1. Who would stick to what guns?
The administration said they would continue to appear on Fox. They just don't expect objectivism.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 05:59 PM
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2. All she is doing is helping them claim fair and balanced. Bad move.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:03 PM
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6. I disagree. They will claim Fair and Balanced no matter what, and if no admin. official goes on Fox
then they will also claim the WH is censoring their free speech.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:18 PM
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11. At a minimum she is enabling them to appear to be legitimate when all they are is propaganda.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:20 PM
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12. wrong. they can't help themselves. they are hostage to their audience.
their audience WANTS them to attack these people they've labeled as commies and bad for our country. They have created their own destructive dynamic that is now eating the Republican Party.

The best thing the administration can do is follow through on their word. Namely, call FoxNews what they really are and agree they will still show up and attempt to communicate the administration's positions but not under the illusion they are dealing with objective journalists.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:22 PM
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14. I agree with you.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:26 PM
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16. I look for them to abuse her in public during the interview. She has guts but I still can't
see her enabling them as a TV channel.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:32 PM
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19. then you might even say she'll go in looking for an apparent slight
and call them on it (she's gotten pretty good at that these days on the road) and then see how they react.

If they go all warrior on her ass then it is on, baby.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 07:17 PM
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26. You are right about her getting good at talking in tough situations on the road. So the slime
that interviews her could get slammed down when they get dirty.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:00 PM
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3. love her or hate her
you gotta admit, the lady has guts....straight into the viper's den, they have probably villified her more than anybody except maybe pigboy himself and yet, in she goes...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:00 PM
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4. HRC's first interview when she was running for president was with FOX and Greta.
And I'm quite certain that the centrist hawks and the Lanny Davis - Joe Lieberman Dems are perfectly comfortable on FOX.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:24 PM
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:02 PM
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5. Enabling Fox "news" -heck of a job
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:17 PM
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10. Enabling them was the stupid feud that provided them with ammo and gave
credence to their claims they were "martyrs" and shut out". They should be just bare4ly noticed and not given opportunities to call attention to themselves.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:41 PM
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21. Hardly! It's shown more and more people who and what they are.
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 06:42 PM by depakid
Best approach is to refuse to participate their shows and call them out, because by going on the shows pretending, Democrats simply encourage the cultural of lies (which incidentally, they had a hand in creating).

Apparently- A rather sizable majority in America have come to believe that dishonesty (and illiteracy) are not only acceptable behavior- but that one should be rewarded for it. One of the largest factors in America's decline toward third world status.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:45 PM
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23. Oh, I would agree with giving them "minimum access" but I just don't believe in giving them
even the 'power" to offend . They can only be diminished if no one takes them seriously. We shouldn't take them seriously.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:03 PM
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7. Mayber she'll pimp slap the fuckers
If anyone could, she could.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:14 PM
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8. Good for her. She knows that they can't make her look bad .She won't allow it.
And the feud is stupid. Fox is Fox. It always will be and it is not going to change. If you don't give them a story, they will make one up. The President looked petty. He didn't need to reduce himself to their level. Good for Hillary to pull the plug on this. It gave FOX credibility to diss them. They aren't woth dissing.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:21 PM
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13. They will go full throat to try to trash her and abuse her in the interview.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:26 PM
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:31 PM
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18. Perhaps they finally realized it was stupid? BTW where did I say they didn't?
In fact, I am sure they did clear this.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:35 PM
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20. you said, "Good for Hillary to pull the plug on this. It gave FOX credibility to diss them."
that seemed to imply she was pulling the plug on what you would term "Obama's petty operation to diss FoxNews".

I think you are forgetting how successfull Obama was in his countering every falsehood about him during the campaign and how successfull he's been in countering every falsehood about health care.

There are times to ignore people. If Sarah Palin tweets something about Obama, ignore. If FoxNews is legitimized as a straight up news organization and has a reporter in the WH press pool and then they are trashing Obama and organizing anti government demonstrations, then they MUST be called out.

People like me were saying "What took you so long!?"

Even in their statements of contempt for FoxNews all of Obama's people never said they would not show up on FoxNews anymore.

Get your facts straight.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:42 PM
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22. Yawn. And BTW, Health care is a complete falshood. It covers virtually no one.
Not a really good PR argument at this point.Many on this board and in the Democratic Party don't buy into the Public Option that is neither "public" or an "option" spin.
And I still congratulate Hillary for going in to the lions dens no matter how she got there.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:50 PM
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24. of course, you're forgetting the other majority of what the bill does
to mandate coverage of U.S. citizens/permanent residents. No more rejections due to preexisting conditions. A greater focus on management of the entire person and their health care record no matter where they go to reduce inefficiency and ineffective or wrong medical choices.

I could go on and on. But you're fucking hooked on the depth and breadth of the public option.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:54 PM
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25. Yeah. Stupid me. The depth and breadth.The devil is in the details.
And the built in ways around even the preexisitng conditons rejections.but heck, buy the spin. Whatever.Lets just hide the fact that for most this is worse than nothing.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 07:18 PM
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27. name them. what are the built in's help me since you're so smart
and can prove within seconds how DOING FUCKING NOTHING is better than this bill.

You're a real piece of work.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:12 PM
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29.  Start with this below:
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 08:15 PM by saracat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6907491

And don't forget, that this bill with its mandates "denies you the ability to choose. You must pay for and choose something, whether you want it or not.That is what mandates are about. And if the opt out passes, you could be in a situation where you have mandates but no coverage at all. I can get more.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:22 PM
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30. And here ya go on the pre-existing conditions:
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 08:24 PM by saracat
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/10/09/bcbs-regs/

Shield of Michigan admitted that insurers could circumvent the market regulations proposed as part of health care reform.

In answering a question about insurer market share, Mark Cook, Vice President of Governmental Affairs at BCBS Michigan, criticized for-profit insurers for maximizing their profit margins by only covering the healthiest and youngest applicants. “f you have a business model that basically says, ‘I’ll take 25-year-olds until they get sick.’ That’s a great business.”

Cook conceded that health reform would not eliminate such risk selection. In a separate conversation with the Wonk Room, Cook agreed that that despite industry concessions to accept applicants with pre-existing conditions, existing health reform measures would not prevent insurers from designing benefit packages that excluded sicker populations:

WONK ROOM: I’m just wondering in terms of designing benefit packages the standards in the bill, at least the ones I’ve seen, at least the Baucus ones are actuarial standards, so you can design packages that kind of hide packages behind high deductibles, things like that.

COOK: Yeah I suppose there could be some , um, some industry folks could take, how do I want to put this? Could take, um, a low benefit design and try to market it heavily to a young, healthy population or something like that.

WONK ROOM: Right, you can design packages that attract different pools, right?

COOK: I suppose there could be some gaming that goes on around that if that is the design that ends up happening.

Watch it:



The Baucus bill requires insurers participating in the Exchange to offer plans in four different tiers. Each plan would have to meet a different actuarial-value. In the silver tier, insurers would have to cover 73% of the health care expenses of an average population; the remaining 27% would be picked up by individuals.

But Sarah Lueck at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities warns, and Cook seems to agree, that “an actuarial-value standard on its own” would not prevent insurers from designing packages that would attract healthier applicants and deter “enrollment by those in poorer health.” “For example, insurers could offer a benefits design that omits or severely limits services needed by people with serious medical conditions, while offering richer benefits in other areas such as vision care or health-club memberships. In that way, an insurer could meet an actuarial standard while designing a package calculated to deter sicker people (by failing to cover basic services they need) and attract healthy ones.” Insurers could offer cheaper preventive services without any cost sharing but cover more expensive services only after a high deductible is satisfied.

As former health insurance executive Wendell Potter explained in an interview with ThinkProress, insurers would “like to move us all into high deductible plans.” “ have high deductibles that we would all have to meet and or into these limited benefit plans that are very skimpy and don’t cover you, don’t cover what you need. That way, when you do get sick, they’re not on the hook to pay you anything. They would love to have you enrolled in these.”

Transcript:
COOK: What you’re doing in selecting that five percent is making sure that you don’t get any significant or very aggressive under . That’s a very profitable slice of business, so if you have a business model that basically says, ‘I’ll take 25-year-olds until they get sick.’ That’s a great business. So, to me it’s not so much about, what’s the overall market share, it’s, of that market share what’s the overall loss ratio

About 50% or less. So that means for the dollars they’re paying out they’re taking in a lot more. And so, to us, it’s not always about market share, in fact, if you look at the federal summary, the market share tax is in there to try and drive more competition. For us, if you’ve got a large, between HAP? And Priority and the other nonprofits nationally, all told they’re probably 80 percent of the market place.

Right

So, you’ve got a group of nonprofits that are putting money back into the community, paying more in loss-ratio, putting more money back into the healthcare system. That’s not a bad thing, that’s actually a good thing. So, I hear a lot of the for profit health carriers saying, ‘oh, we’re just a small profit share, just leave us alone.’ To me, what we’re saying is ‘leave my profits alone.’

WONK ROOM: How do you think reform changes the business model for insurers?

COOK: The reforms they’re considering with guaranteed issue individual mandate, making everyone take everyone regardless of health will help in Michigan for the…

WONK ROOM: So do you think there is still going to be room, with those regulations for selecting that slice that is profitable?

COOK: I think because of the guarantee issue piece of it there won’t be that game playing that goes on currently, because if all carriers have to take anybody who applies…

WONK ROOM: Right, I understand that, I’m just wondering in terms of designing benefit packages the standards in the bill, at least the ones I’ve seen, at least the Baucus ones are actuarial standards, so you can design packages that kind of hide packages behind high deductibles, things like that.

COOK: Yeah I suppose there could be some , um, some industry folks could take, how do I want to put this? Could take, um, a low benefit design and try to market it heavily to a young, healthy population or something like that.

WONK ROOM: Right, you can design packages that attract different pools, right?

COOK: I suppose there could be some gaming that goes on around that if that is the design that ends up happening.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:16 PM
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9. no. this is an awesome trial balloon for Obama administration
they give Foxnews one of the a-listers out of the admin to see how they handle it.

If they go RUSH LIMBAUGH in their reaction, then they will be well and truly fucked for the next 3 years as someone on the outside looking in while the rest of the networks are sharing in the stories and the access.

if they handle this interview like professionals by not purposefully mis-editing, going into ambush mode or the like...they give themselves at least a little plausible deniability.

like I said. it will be interesting how FoxNews decides to play this.
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ChicagoSuz219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 07:20 PM
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28. It's w/Greta... could be worse... nt
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