Kucinich's Brave Health Vote Vs. Obama's Failed Promise

[Orwellian_Ghost]

Kucinich's Brave Health Vote Vs. Obama's Failed Promise

by Lee Stranahan

There were plenty of cowardly votes in the House last night but there was only one truly brave one. The unsung hero of the night was Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich. Despite enormous pressure to support H.R. 3962, Rep. Kucinich did the right thing and voted 'no'. Unlike the Blue Dog votes against the bill, he did it for all the right reasons.

In a principled and practical statement, Rep. Kucinich said what a growing number of progressives have realized as we've watched real health care reform be compromised again and again.

During the debate, when the interests of insurance companies would have been effectively challenged, that challenge was turned back. The "robust public option" which would have offered a modicum of competition to a monopolistic industry was whittled down from an initial potential enrollment of 129 million Americans to 6 million. An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration. Looking ahead, we cringe at the prospect of even greater favors for insurance companies.

Personally, I supported President Obama in the primaries and the election but do not support him on this corporate giveaway built on broken campaign promises. I voted for the Barack Obama who opposed the individual mandate, who said the negotiations would be televised on C-SPAN and who campaigned against backroom deals with PhARMA.

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[paulsby]

1. brave? lol

how was it brave? what possible consequences will kucinich face for voting as he did? ZERO

[debbierlus]

2. Kick & Recommend -

[NYC_SKP]

5. Kick and Unrecommend-

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[NYC_SKP]

3. They can scream it from the mountaintops but it won't change a thing...

...what we got was the best we could get with the congress we have.

I join Alan Grayson in celebrating this beginning of meaningful reform.

It's far from perfect, but it IS the best we could get.

:patriot:

[Orwellian_Ghost]

6. Crumbs

Well trained poodles at the feet of the masters.

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[autorank]

66. "Snap it Frenchie"

That is the case. When somebody stands up and tells the truth, like Kucinich, he must be ridiculed and marginalized. Why? Because the one thing this system cannot tolerate is too much truth. That would be telling. Great post!

[pleah]

86. I agree. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

27. That's what the gatekeepers have been saying since 1970.

What we got were Nixon's HMOs - wildly successful, right? Well, no. Not unless you were an insurance executive.

Then we got Clinton's Managed Care - another wild success? Well, no. Not unless you were an insurance executive.

Well here we are, back at the drawing board with mandates. A tax disguised as health insurance reform (a scheme not unsimilar to privatizing Social Security).

At every juncture we've been lectured that it was the best we could get and meaningful reform would follow. Which, of course, never happened.

And, if history is a guide, the rank & file Democrats will capitulate to conventional wisdom, keep their eyes off the prize and be lulled into the satisfaction of false victory and we will be waging this fight yet again in 20-25 years. Unfortunately, by then, the insurance industries will be more powerful. Flush with a regular stream of taxpayer money to buy off Congress.

[dflprincess]

70. The Congress we have?

But we were told when we that when we had the White House and majorities in both houses things would be different. We all worked our butts off and we achieved those goals - now we're being told it wasn't enough.

And on on November 3, 2010 they'll all be scratching their heads and wondering why no one bothered to go out and vote.

[bobbolink]

4. Apparently Colorado's Rep. Betsy Markey voted no for the same reason as Kucinich.

[G_j]

20. She didn’t think that it did enough to control health-care costs

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20091108/NEWS01/91107020/1002

Betsy Markey votes against health-care bill

Rep. Betsy Markey voted against a health-care reform bill backed by President Barack Obama and the House Democratic leadership Saturday night, citing concerns over the cost of the bill.

“It was a difficult decision because there’s a lot of good things in the bill, as well, that I like, but in the end, I just didn’t think that it did enough to control health-care costs,” the Fort Collins Democrat said in an interview with the Coloradoan, calling it the most difficult vote she’s cast in her 10 months in Congress.

The $1.2 trillion health-care overhaul narrowly passed the House 220-215. Markey was among 39 Democrats voting against the bill, and she was the only one of the five Colorado Democrats in the House to vote no.

Only one Republican, Joseph Cao of Lousiana, voted in favor of the bill.

The vote is Markey’s most significant break with Democratic leadership since assuming office in January, and it comes on an issue that has long been a priority for her party. She was among about 10 freshmen Democrats prominently targeted by Republicans in 2010 who voted against the bill.

“It was very difficult, not because it was my own party but because it was health care reform that’s so needed in this country, and I desperately want to see us reform our health-care system,” Markey said.

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[bobbolink]

36. And, she was right.....

:(

[WeDidIt]

8. Kucinich? Brave?

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[Rhiannon12866]

12. Where were you in 2003?

Dennis Kucinich was being labeled as "unpatriotic" because he voted against and spoke out against Bush*'s impending wear in Iraq. :patriot:

[ProSense]

25. Some more brave votes

Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)

Voted YES on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)

Voted YES on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)

Voted NO on end offshore tax havens and promote small business. (Oct 2004)

[Rhiannon12866]

30. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6956027&mesg_id=6956027

[Telly Savalas]

31. Along with a majority of the Democratic Congressional caucus

[Odin2005]

55. 2003? You mean the year he convientiely went from Anti-Choice to Pro-Choice?

[suede1]

19. Yes, very.

[LakeSamish706]

9. I stand by Kucinich and his beliefs..... No matter what anyone on DU says about him...

He has been consistent in his beliefs....

[Desertrose]

11. Same here.

He says the things I would say if I had a voice.

[Telly Savalas]

32. You do have a voice.

So do I.

We don't need members of Congress to speak for us. We need them to legislate effectively.

[tonysam]

18. Kucinich is as much use to the Democratic Party and to politics

as tits on a boar. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[LakeSamish706]

22. Thats hardly the point... He stands up for what he believes in and votes that way....

He has never strayed from how he feels on any subject... He is consistent.

[Egnever]

52. Except abortion right?

[Luminous Animal]

61. Actually, he's changed his mind on abortion.

I've changed my mind on capital punishment after a lot of thought, reading, discussion, & soul searching. Does that make my current stand less principled?

[sabrina 1]

78. And why is that? Because of the spineless

party he belongs to. It certainly isn't because he's wrong, is it? Unless you agreed with the War in Iraq, or with bailing out Wall St. And now with bailing out the failing Private Insurance Industry. Or with privatizing Social Security and Medicare. Or telling women that they have no right to make their own medical decisions. I don't blame those who are right, I blame those who are wrong. Seems a bit backward to do otherwise.

Back when people thought the earth was flat, one guy who pointed out it probably wasn't, was considered a lunatic also. He too didn't have much support. But it didn't make him wrong, and them right.

[robinlynne]

13. k&r.

[mullard12ax7]

14. A direct link to FR will get more rec's than a politician who can't be bought

There are lots of kiddies around, too young to have even developed a moral conscience yet and yapping on the internet like 13-yr-old girls on cellphones. Kucinich stands up for the ideals we should all stand up for.

[bluestateguy]

15. I am really beginning to feel pushed out of here by the Kucinich crowd

nt

[LakeSamish706]

17. And why is that? Put your argument forth for how you can dis. DK for voting....

the way he has always spoken and believed.

[bluestateguy]

28. That's the problem right there

I put forth my argument, as I have done for months and months, if not years, since 2004, and I'm subjected to a torrent of verbal abuse and epithets, including being called a DLC whore, "soft" on George W. Bush (a major DU no no) and a corporatist.

I'm just running out of gas at doing it.

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[G_j]

24. as far as I can see, people are defending Kucinich

not pushing anyone...
:think:

[Johonny]

26. I feel you pain

The paranoia against the government, the hatred of the president, the fear of health care legislation as a secret plot... I'm like WTF the last two days at the DU. The ultra liberals and the super conservatives seem to meet at the extremes some times doesn't it?

[geek tragedy]

34. Lots of the Kucinich people are actually Greens and Trots

who generally hate the Democratic party and want bad things to happen to it.

[leftstreet]

41. BWAHAHAHA Red-baiting on a Kucinich thread

:rofl:

Sometimes DU is funny

[geek tragedy]

44. The OP hangs out at the 'other' websites

where they talk about leading revolutions from inside their parents' basements.

He was also banned under another username.

[leftstreet]

47. So this is personal for you

At least that explains it

Meh
:eyes:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

50. Accusing other people of being trolls and zombies is against the rules.

It doesn't help anything, it just discourages constructive dialogue.

Besides, the mods zap zombies if they're alerted to them.

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[inna]

83. how do you know? are you spying on him?

:crazy:

[Luminous Animal]

42. I recall all the hand wringing and pleas of the Democrats

to the Greens. Making their best argument to stay within the party and work from within for reform. Then, when we do just that, we're belittled. Sweet!

[geek tragedy]

48. Well, when you act like Sarah Palin and treat everyone

who tries to actually get legislation passed as horrible sellout traitors, you wear out your welcome.

Door's over there. You Naderites are expendable.

[Luminous Animal]

58. I love the spectacle of a purity purge.

That's been wildly successful for the Republicans.

[Mithreal]

79. That's an enormously stupid statement

[Number23]

46. "I'm like WTF the last two days at the DU."

Two days??! Brother, try more like 12 months!!

[Bluebear]

56. "The ultra liberals" - OK, I'm "like WTF" over you saying THAT.

What does an "ultra liberal" consist of?

[inna]

16. kr

[Skittles]

23. REAL DEMOCRAT

[geek tragedy]

39. How can he be the only real Democrat out of 258?

It would seem that he's the only real Green Party member. He very clearly is on the wacko extremist unreasonable wing of the Democratic party itself.

[Skittles]

49. in this climate of cororate-controlled politicians: FUCKING EASY

[geek tragedy]

53. Then you should leave the Democratic party, since it's obvious

that it is you and Kucinich who do not belong.

I'll stay with Alan Grayson and Anthony Weiner and Raul Grijalva.

You and Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul can go hold hands somewhere.

[Skittles]

54. OMG

you're pathetic; I am DONE

[Bluebear]

59. PS

hello :)

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[unkachuck]

29. "Unlike the Blue Dog votes against the bill, he did it for all the right reasons."

....it was a tough vote because it can't be explained in a three second sound-bite and it will mostly likely cost Dennis support....but nonetheless, voting against a bill that looks pretty but would do more harm than good, is the epitome of courage....the disgusting process that masquerades as our democracy has been laid bare for all who wants to see....

....Dennis stands tall as an elected progressive official with strong principles and great values....we need to support and appreciate his courageous vote....

[bluestateguy]

33. The clerk only counts Yes or No votes, not your reasons for doing so

and that is all that history will remember. Bottom line is, Yes votes cause a bill to pass, No votes cause a bill to fail.

[Luminous Animal]

40. I always knew that historians were shams

and studying, teaching, and writing about history an worthless pursuit. Why all we need are reporters who can publish chapter after chapter of congressional votes and that is all we will need to know about the reasonings and justifications behind complex and controversial issues.

Why if we look at the Congressional record, it appears that Democrats were downright weak on civil rights in 1964!

[Feron]

35. Aw geez...

While I support single payer wholeheartedly, I'm also pragmatic enough to realize that a single payer bill would be DOA.

And while there are provisions in the bill I don't like, they can always be stripped away later on. Let's not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

[leftstreet]

38. K&R

[Waiting For Everyman]

43. K&R

I'd reject this mess too. Putting a "Dem" label on it does not make any old piece of tripe acceptable. Acceptable doesn't mean it has to be single payer. But Stupak and mandates have to go, and a public choice has to be at least in there, and hopefully better than this is. As is, it isn't enough to justify Stupak and mandates.

Those will probably be left in and the PO will probably be eliminated entirely. If so, it needs to be rejected.

DK is the wake-up call, he's the canary in the mineshaft. Add to that, NOW's opposition. Dems shouldn't be so psyched about this. And it'll likely get worse. The failure would be to even consider passing such a thing.

[liberalmuse]

45. Then the Republicans were brave, too.

So the Republicans, and Dennis Kucinich all have our best interests at heart. They all voted exactly the same. I get it now. It's all about the intentions. :eyes:

[Eric J in MN]

69. The Republicans weren't being pressured by their leaders to vote Yes.

So Republicans who voted No weren't brave.

[Skittles]

75. you can't be that fucking stupid

it's not possible

[1]

57. i can't believe kucinich is against hcr. y'all lied to me here. kucinich = lieberman...

:cry:

[Luminous Animal]

63. He's for health care reform. Not insurance reform, as Obama calls it.

He's a sponsor of the single-payer bill and he and Conyers have successfully brought on 87 other sponsors.

[Eric J in MN]

68. Kucinich wants stronger health care reform.

He got an amendment put into the bill to clarify that states can still choose single-payer.

That amendment was removed from the bill before the vote, and Kucinich wrote that it was under pressure from the Obama Administration.

"An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration."

http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153995

[sabrina 1]

77. Yes, they took out a single payer amendment and put in

an anti-women's rights' amendment. So, who are the Democrats more afraid of? And progressives are supportive of this. I wonder how many women Democrats have lost over this already. It isn't even what it does, it's what it says about how little they care about what the people want or think, and especially women. Airc, women are the largest voting bloc the Dems have. Yet, they have no problem dismissing them. That shows how powerful the corporations are.

[Bluebear]

88. 'they took out a single payer amendment & put in an anti-women's rights' amendment'

That boils down the disgraceful mechanism of corporatists and our Congress perfectly.

[autorank]

60. k*r This bill is a bailout, period

It's about helping out the insurance industry which is about to croak with 1-3% profit margins.

Why are their profits so low? They provide no value and they've been buying each other up for
a long time. Like Wall Street, they're at the end of the road.

Who do you call? The Money Party

This health care "reform" is really just more of the "long con." It's pure shilling for
corporate interests.

[Lorien]

64. The Obama administration doesn't want States to persue single payer??

:wtf: That's a big CHANGE on policy since the primaries!

[Luminous Animal]

65. And totally depressing.

[Eric J in MN]

67. I don't recall Obama saying in 2007 or 2008 that he wants states...

...to be able to choose single-payer.

Obama said he was for single-payer in 2003.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/june/barack_obama_on_sing.php

[New Dawn]

71. K&R

[scheming daemons]

72. Was Boehner's vote brave too? He voted the same way.... what about Cantor? was he brave?

Be consistent.

[bvar22]

73. If Kucinich wasn't in the Democratic Party,

who would be there to tells us that:

*Single Payer Universal HealthCare is not only possible, but cheaper.

*that "For Profit" HealthCare is obscene

*that Mandatory Health Insurance is NOT REALLY Universal HealthCare

*that the Democratic Party and American taxpayers should NOT be forced to subsidize some of the richest CEOs in history by subsidizing the HealthCare Insurance Corps and HMOs.

*that the USA SHOULD give the Imperial Palace (Green Zone) back to the Iraqis, close the permanent bases, expel all Corporate Consultants, withdraw ALL US Troops, and begin paying reparations NOW.

*that redeploying some troops at some future date is a PRO-WAR position.

*that the "Oil Law Benchmark" supported by the Democratic Party is a War Crime

*That we can have election accountability with "Paper Ballots publicly hand counted at the precinct".

*that we CAN cut $Hundreds of Billions$ from the Defense Budget and STILL spend more on WAR than any country in the WORLD.

*that the RICHEST Corporations in history do NOT need $Billions$ in welfare subsidies

*that NAFTA (Free Trade) has not been a good thing for Americans who have to work for a living

*that prosecuting Torturers & War Criminals is NOT optional.

*that the USA should join the rest of the civilized World in banning Land Mines

*that the USA should join the rest of the civilized World in the International Criminal Court.

Thank You, Dennis Kucinich!


”Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests.
I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.” ---Dennis Kucinich

[inna]

85. Thank you!

:applause:

:kick:

[pleah]

87. .....

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[Bluebear]

89. nodding

[Truth2Tell]

74. K to the R

Thanks Orwellian

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

76. K&R for the guy who didn't sell out to the corporate bosses.

[ProleNoMore]

80. I Am With Dennis On This - Bad Bills Are Bad Bills - Pure And Simple

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[Echo In Light]

84. He was able to take the long view

[Orwellian_Ghost]

81. Bumping

[LWolf]

82. Kick for DK. nt